Outer Darkness: a possible destiny for the saved

[Episkopos]

odd epi how you use those verses , that pual himself wrote
and also the verse where JESUS said for GOD so loved the world
But unlike JESUS and unlike paul YOU wont preach the dire necessity to have to beleive on JESUS .
which means you are using such verses INCORRECTLY .
However seeing you did bring up what JESUS said
allow me TO FINISH that verse .
For GOD so loved THE WORLD that he sent His only begotten son
that all WHO DO BELEIVE on HIM would NOT PERISH
but have EVERLASTING LIFE .
OOPS , someone lied to you epi .

The lie is written all over you. You have to walk and chew gum at the SAME TIME.

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

You condemn the world because you have not entered into Christ. But Jesus does NOT condemn the world...He condemns those who so.


And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

The serpent was NOT lifted up for the world but only for God's people. Only God's people will perish for not believing. The nations will be judged by their works...NOT by believing.

 

[amigo de christo]

The lie is written all over you. You have to walk and chew gum at the SAME TIME.

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

You condemn the world because you have not entered into Christ. But Jesus does NOT condemn the world...He condemns those who so.


And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

The serpent was NOT lifted up for the world but only for God's people. Only God's people will perish for not believing. The nations will be judged by their works...NOT by believing.

man are you twisting things to support a lie of inclusivity .
HERE is the condmenation , they WONT COME to JESUS
You sure omit lots of t hings and brings twisted things to support such a lie epi .
And like i said you keep brining JESUS own words , perhaps even pauls
AND YET YOU unlike them SILENCE the preaching of JESUS . THEY all warned of the dire need TO BELIEVE ON HIM .
And not just for the jew b ut for the gentile too .
You seeing it all wrong . Your using scripture to promote the inlcusive god .
This is on YOU epi .

 

[Marvelloustime]

odd epi how you use those verses , that pual himself wrote
and also the verse where JESUS said for GOD so loved the world
But unlike JESUS and unlike paul YOU wont preach the dire necessity to have to beleive on JESUS .
which means you are using such verses INCORRECTLY .
However seeing you did bring up what JESUS said
allow me TO FINISH that verse .
For GOD so loved THE WORLD that he sent His only begotten son
that all WHO DO BELEIVE on HIM would NOT PERISH
but have EVERLASTING LIFE .
OOPS , someone lied to you epi .

@amigo de christo

 

[amigo de christo]

The lie is written all over you. You have to walk and chew gum at the SAME TIME.

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

You condemn the world because you have not entered into Christ. But Jesus does NOT condemn the world...He condemns those who so.


And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

The serpent was NOT lifted up for the world but only for God's people. Only God's people will perish for not believing. The nations will be judged by their works...NOT by believing.

and what must i do to BE SAVED asked a jailor . And paul nor silas preached inclusivity unto them .
But the exclusive only way to be saved . BELIEVE YE ON JESUS THE CHRIST .
you can keep twisting all the scrips you like to point to a false all inclusive gospel .
But do be advised , your twisting them unto your own as well as anyone else who believes you , DESTRUCTION .
They all preached the dire need to repent and beleive on JESUS CHRIST .
and they all warned anyone who did not beleive HE was THE CHRIST , of the dire judg ment that would come upon them .
IT is you epi who be in grave danger . for you allow unbeleif in JESUS
to remain upon the athiest and etc . And when i came to remind that atheist of his dire need
to repent and beleive on JESUS , epi not only did you Not try and support what i said
YOU called it religious extremism .
I JUST BET all i own , that HAD JESUS been there , or any of the apostels
TH EY had rebuked YOU EPI . YOU . All i do is point to the ONLY ONE WHO CAN SAVE THEM EPI
and all you do is try and bring some of his teachings and yet OMIT the fact THEY MUST FIRST BELEIVE
HE IS THE CHRIST . You bring this people a delusion .
And no marvel epi . EV EN satan can use the words of GOD , as HE TRIED to do on JESUS , and yet
implies a lie by what he brings . You too can bring JESUS teachings,
but you too ALLOW unbeleif IN THE ONE whose sayings you even bring . You bring a false gosple
and will pay dearly with your soul on JESUS day .
ME i bring both the dire reminder to BELEIVE ON JESUS AND to observe all things HE did teach .
YOU bring only some things he teaches WHILE OMITTING all them dire warnings
HE also said about those who failed to BELIEVE HE IS CHRIST .
YE SHALL DIE IN YOUR SINS for if you beleive not that I AM HE . YEAH EPI . I AM HE , as in THE Christ
the savoir the one who was crucified for our sins and raised again . yeah epi
You might be fooling yourself and others , but NOT the sheep epi . YOU never gonna be able to fool the sheep .
CAUSE JESUS has his sheep and he keeps us far from the great transgression , the lie of many anti christs ,
who do nothing but decieve this people

 

[amigo de christo]

The lie is written all over you. You have to walk and chew gum at the SAME TIME.

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

You condemn the world because you have not entered into Christ. But Jesus does NOT condemn the world...He condemns those who so.


And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

The serpent was NOT lifted up for the world but only for God's people. Only God's people will perish for not believing. The nations will be judged by their works...NOT by believing.

If you have not realized it by now the sheep cannot be converted to a false gospel .
And on the path this fast growing all inclusive generation is on .........
GUESS what solution you will soon buy , if you have not bought it already .
WELL if they wont hear us , WE gots to rid them from the earth .
Just letting you know the path this all inclusive god is taking this world and leading this world right too .
To rid the earth of all who did not conform to its inclusive love .
When the order is given and made to seem as if its a dire necessity , YOU gonna buy it .
And guess what that dire necesssity will be . HEY , these non inclusive ones are religiious extremists
a danger and a threat to our social justice for peace on earth . You might not have bought
the idea to rid the earth of us yet . buT YOU WILL . ITS ALL going right in that direction .
To you and to all who bought inclusiivity
you will see men like me as only a danger and no less dangeous than even ISIS itself .
You might not beleive it yet . BuT YOU WILL in time , if you dont already beleive it .

 

[Episkopos]

and what must i do to BE SAVED asked a jailor . And paul nor silas preached inclusivity unto them .

The Philippian jailer would have been put to death, with his family, because the prisoners had escaped. Paul reassured them to believe in the Lord and they would be saved.

The same thing happened when the shipwreck occurred off Malta. Paul said if you stay in the ship you will be saved.

Paul said to the centurion and to the soldiers, Except these abide in the ship, ye cannot be saved. Acts 27


Now with your amazing thinking power...are YOU STAYING in the ship? Paul says unless you stay in the ship you CANNOT BE SAVED.

 

[amigo de christo]

The Philippian jailer would have been put to death, with his family, because the prisoners had escaped. Paul reassured them to believe in the Lord and they would be saved.

The same thing happened when the shipwreck occurred off Malta. Paul said if you stay in the ship you will be saved.

Paul said to the centurion and to the soldiers, Except these abide in the ship, ye cannot be saved. Acts 27


Now with your amazing thinking power...are YOU STAYING in the ship? Paul says unless you stay in the ship you CANNOT BE SAVED.

what a twister of words . you are partly right , THE jailor would have been put to death
HAD THE PRISONERS escaped . Paul made sure to tell him we are all still here .
Showing him to do no harm to himself . that ol jailor THEN asked what must i do to be saved .
BELEIVE YE ON JESUS THE CHRIST .
Believing on JESUS the CHRIST was not going to save him from an execution by the romans .
THEY were all still in that prison . HE was now JUST FINE had he locked the doors .
And i see you trying to twist the malta camp too by using those words .
YOU are purposefully twisting the scrips now . of course you always have been .
The more you speak the more you expose yourself . so go on SPEAK away epi and let them see your words .
The more you speak and try and explain the more you expose your doctrine for what it is . SO go ahead epi
You are doing more damage to your own doctrine. exposing it for how false it is . you twist epi .
GO ahead and bring lots of exlpanations . cause the more you explain the clearer it gets
YOU DO TWIST THINGS .

 

[Episkopos]

what a twister of words . you are partly right , THE jailor would have been put to death
HAD THE PRISONERS escaped . Paul made sure to tell him we are all still here .
Showing him to do no harm to himself . that ol jailor THEN asked what must i do to be saved .
BELEIVE YE ON JESUS THE CHRIST .
Believing on JESUS the CHRIST was not going to save him from an execution by the romans .
THEY were all still in that prison . HE was now JUST FINE had he locked the doors .
And i see you trying to twist the malta camp too by using those words .
YOU are purposefully twisting the scrips now . of course you always have been .
The more you speak the more you expose yourself . so go on SPEAK away epi and let them see your words .
The more you speak and try and explain the more you expose your doctrine for what it is . SO go ahead epi
You are doing more damage to your own doctrine. exposing it for how false it is . you twist epi .
GO ahead and bring lots of exlpanations . cause the more you explain the clearer it gets
YOU DO TWIST THINGS .

You are just not being honest. I'm showing you that you have to apply the scriptures carefully...but you think one verse cancels out all others by twisting the meaning of the text.

 

[bdavidc]

Ignoring and denying the fact that I already quoted exactly what you said that was a lie...is just you lying again.

Repeating the accusation still does not prove it. I asked you a very simple question: quote the exact statement I made that you claim was a lie, and then show what was false about it. Instead, you simply say that you already did it and then call me a liar again. That is not evidence. That is another accusation.

If I said something false, put my exact words here and prove from what I actually said that I knowingly stated something untrue. I have no problem being corrected when I am wrong. But calling someone a liar requires more than disagreement.

Scripture says, “He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him” (Proverbs 18:13), and, “A false witness shall not be unpunished” (Proverbs 19:5).

So once again, Scott: what EXACT statement did I make that was a lie?

Quote it.

 

[ScottA]

Repeating the accusation still does not prove it. I asked you a very simple question: quote the exact statement I made that you claim was a lie, and then show what was false about it. Instead, you simply say that you already did it and then call me a liar again. That is not evidence. That is another accusation.

If I said something false, put my exact words here and prove from what I actually said that I knowingly stated something untrue. I have no problem being corrected when I am wrong. But calling someone a liar requires more than disagreement.

Scripture says, “He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him” (Proverbs 18:13), and, “A false witness shall not be unpunished” (Proverbs 19:5).

So once again, Scott: what EXACT statement did I make that was a lie?

Quote it.

No, I am not going to give a liar more time to keep lying. Anyone can go back and read it, it's all there.

 

[bdavidc]

How can people become twice dead who were never given life for the second time?

You're assuming that "twice dead" means these men were born again and then lost their salvation. But where does Jude actually say that?

Read the context. Jude 4 calls them "ungodly men" who turn God's grace into lasciviousness and deny Jesus Christ.

Then in verse 12 he describes them as "trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots."

Notice that Jude says they are WITHOUT FRUIT. He doesn't say they once had spiritual life in Christ and then lost it.

Jesus also warned in Matthew 7:16-20 that false prophets are known by their fruits, and that corrupt trees are cut down and cast into the fire.

You are taking the words "twice dead" and building a doctrine around something Jude never actually says.

So I'll ask you again. WHERE DOES JUDE SAY THESE MEN WERE EVER BORN AGAIN?

If your interpretation is correct, show us from the passage where Jude says they were regenerated, received eternal life, and then lost it.

Repeating "twice dead" doesn't prove any of those things.

 

[bdavidc]

No, I am not going to give a liar more time to keep lying. Anyone can go back and read it, it's all there.

So now you're refusing to provide the evidence for your accusation. You have repeatedly called me a liar, yet when asked to quote the exact statement and prove it was a lie, you refuse.

Scripture says, "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good" (1 Thessalonians 5:21).

Accusations are not proof, and disagreement does not make someone a liar. If you cannot demonstrate what I said was false, there is nothing more to discuss about your accusation.

People should read this exchange and judge for themselves.

 

[Episkopos]

You're assuming that "twice dead" means these men were born again and then lost their salvation. But where does Jude actually say that?

Read the context. Jude 4 calls them "ungodly men" who turn God's grace into lasciviousness and deny Jesus Christ.

Then in verse 12 he describes them as "trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots."

Notice that Jude says they are WITHOUT FRUIT. He doesn't say they once had spiritual life in Christ and then lost it.

Jesus also warned in Matthew 7:16-20 that false prophets are known by their fruits, and that corrupt trees are cut down and cast into the fire.

You are taking the words "twice dead" and building a doctrine around something Jude never actually says.

So I'll ask you again. WHERE DOES JUDE SAY THESE MEN WERE EVER BORN AGAIN?

If your interpretation is correct, show us from the passage where Jude says they were regenerated, received eternal life, and then lost it.

Repeating "twice dead" doesn't prove any of those things.

Repeating that these people who were twice dead were NOT born again doesn't make it so.


1. Where does it say that they were not born again? Jude is only talking about the church.

2. Why does Jude say "twice dead"??? and we will need scriptural proof!!! If you can't find any verses that support your claim...why do you have to have a religious opinion about it? Just say you are ignorant of these things. Much better for you to speak truth than to lie as you do.

 

[amigo de christo]

You are just not being honest. I'm showing you that you have to apply the scriptures carefully...but you think one verse cancels out all others by twisting the meaning of the text.

epi you done ran outta gas .
Every singel apostel did not go about as you do . THEY all preached the absolute dire necessity
to have to beleive on Jesus the Christ . You know , like i was to the athiest . Which you called religous extremism .
You aint fooling me epi .
Though i must admit while talking to a stranger in walmart , man has she bought the bait you sell
as has her churches . The reason its not quite as potent on the sites
is because a lot of people here dont sit in them churches .
Though its coming here too .
I know you would call it a revival and an awakening .
But the bible calls it the FALLING AWAY .

 

[ScottA]

So now you're refusing to provide the evidence for your accusation.

No--and that too is a lie. I just said, it is all here for anyone who wants to go back and look.

 

[Marvelloustime]

what a twister of words . you are partly right , THE jailor would have been put to death
HAD THE PRISONERS escaped . Paul made sure to tell him we are all still here .
Showing him to do no harm to himself . that ol jailor THEN asked what must i do to be saved .
BELEIVE YE ON JESUS THE CHRIST .
Believing on JESUS the CHRIST was not going to save him from an execution by the romans .
THEY were all still in that prison . HE was now JUST FINE had he locked the doors .
And i see you trying to twist the malta camp too by using those words .
YOU are purposefully twisting the scrips now . of course you always have been .
The more you speak the more you expose yourself . so go on SPEAK away epi and let them see your words .
The more you speak and try and explain the more you expose your doctrine for what it is . SO go ahead epi
You are doing more damage to your own doctrine. exposing it for how false it is . you twist epi .
GO ahead and bring lots of exlpanations . cause the more you explain the clearer it gets
YOU DO TWIST THINGS .

@amigo de christo

 

[JustMe]

Repeating that these people who were twice dead were NOT born again doesn't make it so.


1. Where does it say that they were not born again? Jude is only talking about the church.

2. Why does Jude say "twice dead"??? and we will need scriptural proof!!! If you can't find any verses that support your claim...why do you have to have a religious opinion about it? Just say you are ignorant of these things. Much better for you to speak truth than to lie as you do.

Have you now reached a point where you must promote your false doctrines and your unreliable Eschatological views at all costs, at the expense of again, clearly usurping and misapplying scripture in such a bold and arrogant way?

Shall we go through each verse by verse and reveal how you are seriously wrong in your wild assumption that Jude is speaking negatively concerning genuine believers' future fate. This thread of yours and your unwarranted constant negative view of genuine believers in faith is outrageous and preposterous.

Here's a concise meaning of this phrase "twice dead" that you have attempted to manipulate and repackage for your blind self-interests. This phrase might in fact, be about you. I would heed Jude's warning, whether you consider yourself a believer or unwillingly consider yourself a false teacher.

I'm also amazed about those who have given you a positive review of this thread thus far. Where is their spiritual discernment in truth?

Dying twice – Twice Dead

The expression "twice dead" found in Jude 1:12 is understood in its immediate context as referring to primarily false teachers of any degree of sophistication, who can potentially ‘harm’ and negatively influence believers. They are spiritually unfruitful, likened to "autumn trees, without fruit and uprooted." It indicates that these people are dead in their sins by nature and have also entered a condition of hardened rebellion or apostasy, marked by pride and defiance toward God, leaving them utterly without hope and incapable of yielding any godly fruit.

"Twice dead" describes their present condition in two main respects:

Irreversible Spiritual Death: The person is considered dead both due to their fallen human nature and because of their deliberate rejection of truth and absence of reverence for God, rendering their state beyond remedy and pointing toward the "second death" (eternal separation from God).

Total Barrenness: In contrast to a tree that might regrow from a stump, a "twice dead" tree has no remaining root life, representing complete absence of spiritual vitality or worth before God in this life. They bear no spiritually nourished fruit.

This idea stands in contrast to being "born again"; believers experience physical death once but are raised to eternal life, whereas those described as "twice dead" are viewed as facing a second, eternal death after physical death, having produced no spiritual fruit during their earthly existence. In a sense, they are akin to 'the walking dead'.

 

[Episkopos]

Have you now reached a point where you must promote your false doctrines and your unreliable Eschatological views at all costs, at the expense of again, clearly usurping and misapplying scripture in such a bold and arrogant way?

Shall we go through each verse by verse and reveal how you are seriously wrong in your wild assumption that Jude is speaking negatively concerning genuine believers' future fate. This thread of yours and your unwarranted constant negative view of genuine believers in faith is outrageous and preposterous.

Here's a concise meaning of this phrase "twice dead" that you have attempted to manipulate and repackage for your blind self-interests. This phrase might in fact, be about you. I would heed Jude's warning, whether you consider yourself a believer or unwillingly consider yourself a false teacher.

I'm also amazed about those who have given you a positive review of this thread thus far. Where is their spiritual discernment in truth?

Dying twice – Twice Dead

The expression "twice dead" found in Jude 1:12 is understood in its immediate context as referring to primarily false teachers of any degree of sophistication, who can potentially ‘harm’ and negatively influence believers. They are spiritually unfruitful, likened to "autumn trees, without fruit and uprooted." It indicates that these people are dead in their sins by nature and have also entered a condition of hardened rebellion or apostasy, marked by pride and defiance toward God, leaving them utterly without hope and incapable of yielding any godly fruit.

"Twice dead" describes their present condition in two main respects:

Irreversible Spiritual Death: The person is considered dead both due to their fallen human nature and because of their deliberate rejection of truth and absence of reverence for God, rendering their state beyond remedy and pointing toward the "second death" (eternal separation from God).

Total Barrenness: In contrast to a tree that might regrow from a stump, a "twice dead" tree has no remaining root life, representing complete absence of spiritual vitality or worth before God in this life. They bear no spiritually nourished fruit.

This idea stands in contrast to being "born again"; believers experience physical death once but are raised to eternal life, whereas those described as "twice dead" are viewed as facing a second, eternal death after physical death, having produced no spiritual fruit during their earthly existence. In a sense, they are akin to 'the walking dead'.

...or more biblically and logically....a person was dead in sin before conversion...and then got entangled again with the world and sin like a dog returning to his vomit.

Have you read the bible far enough that you would recognize the reference?

The bible interprets the bible...no need for AI or online apologetic. I challenge people and they have nothing, absolutely nothing to counter anything I say with. Just a carnal attitude.

So I'm done with you as well. WAYYYY too rebellious in your carnal ways to hear anything of truth.

 

[JustMe]

...or more biblically and logically....a person was dead in sin before conversion...and then got entangled again with the world and sin like a dog returning to his vomit.

Have you read the bible far enough that you would recognize the reference?

The bible interprets the bible...no need for AI or online apologetic. I challenge people and they have nothing, absolutely nothing to counter anything I say with. Just a carnal attitude.

So I'm done with you as well. WAYYYY too rebellious in your carnal ways to hear anything of truth.

Still embarrassing yourself I see with idle words or half-baked words and expressions that are hopelessly made to confuse and divert. Enjoy the mud you are wallowing in today because it may not get any brighter except for the scorching heat.

You know scripture not in spirit and truth; just enough to be dangeous to others who listen to you in your promotion of your false teachings.

 

[Laurina]

Epi you have faith in another jesus .

Oh the irony!!! amigo de christo
I think you are a friend of the wrong christo and you advertise it!
You need to be a friend of big C Christo and big J Jesus.