Overview time line chart of the 7 years

[Douggg]

Our SPIRIT MAN will get a new body in heaven, at a marriage to the Lamb event, or just before, not as we travel, its too big of an event unto God it signifies our faith in Jesus/God.

No, before arriving in heaven.

In the rapture, our bodies are changed in the twinkling of an eye, and called up to meet the Lord in the air (along with the resurrected dead in Christ) and taken to heaven by Jesus.

1Thessalonians4:
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

 

[ewq1938]

No, before arriving in heaven.

In the rapture, our bodies are changed in the twinkling of an eye, and called up to meet the Lord in the air (along with the resurrected dead in Christ) and taken to heaven by Jesus.

No scripture says Jesus takes the raptured to the 3rd heaven. It says the clouds which is the 1st heaven, the sky of the Earth. The second coming does not end at the clouds, but has Christ returning to Earth as he promised.

 

[Douggg]

No scripture says Jesus takes the raptured to the 3rd heaven. It says the clouds which is the 1st heaven, the sky of the Earth. The second coming does not end at the clouds, but has Christ returning to Earth as he promised.

First, into the clouds, then taken by Jesus to heaven.

 

[ewq1938]

First, into the clouds, then taken by Jesus to heaven.

Not taken to heaven. Jesus said he would return as he left which means he descends from heaven to the ground of the Earth. The meeting in the clouds is very brief.

 

[Douggg]

Not taken to heaven. Jesus said he would return as he left which means he descends from heaven to the ground of the Earth. The meeting in the clouds is very brief.

The resurrection/rapture event is not referring to Jesus's return.

Jesus returns in Revelation 19 :7-8 with His Bride. Which is His army from heaven in Revelation 19:14.

 

[ewq1938]

The resurrection/rapture event is not referring to Jesus's return.

Yes it is. He comes ONCE, not two more times. The passage speaking of the rapture makes it clear the second coming is addressed. The Coming and Rapture cannot be separated into dif events.

2 Thessalonians 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,


The second coming and rapture happen at the same timeframe.

 

[ewq1938]

 

[Douggg]

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Well, at least you are making a chart. Work on making charts.

There is no rapture mentioned in Revelation 20. Plus, you have not identified who the bride of Jesus is that will be accompanying His return.

 

[Douggg]

Yes it is. He comes ONCE, not two more times. The passage speaking of the rapture makes it clear the second coming is addressed. The Coming and Rapture cannot be separated into dif events.

2 Thessalonians 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,


The second coming and rapture happen at the same timeframe.

Jesus returns to stand on the mount of Olives, Zechariah 14:4.

Jesus coming for the gathering of the dead in Christ and the living in Christ is at not His return.

 

[ewq1938]

There is no rapture mentioned in Revelation 20.

There's no rapture in Rev 21 either.

Plus, you have not identified who the bride of Jesus is that will be accompanying His return.

Everyone knows who the bride is.

 

[ewq1938]

Jesus returns to stand on the mount of Olives, Zechariah 14:4.

Rev has him on a different mountain.

Rev 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

Jesus coming for the gathering of the dead in Christ and the living in Christ is at not His return.

That's not what scripture says.

 

[Douggg]

Everyone knows who the bride is.

You are evading. Who is the bride of Jesus is that will be accompanying Him at His return?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You are evading. Who is the bride of Jesus is that will be accompanying Him at His return?

The souls of the dead in Christ.

1 Thessalonians 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.

The souls of the dead in Christ will be with Jesus when He comes and they will unite with their resurrected, changed bodies and be caught up bodily together with those who are alive and remain to meet Jesus in the air (1 Thess 4:15-17).

 

[Douggg]

The souls of the dead in Christ.

1 Thessalonians 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.

The souls of the dead in Christ will be with Jesus when He comes and they will unite with their resurrected, changed bodies and be caught up bodily together with those who are alive and remain to meet Jesus in the air (1 Thess 4:15-17).

No, the Bride of Christ is also His armies from heaven.

Revelation 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

Revelation 19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

The kings of the earth will gather their armies at Armageddon to prepare to make war on Jesus and His army for 45 days.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

No

Yes

 

[ewq1938]

You are evading. Who is the bride of Jesus is that will be accompanying Him at His return?

I just call; her "Bridey". Not sure what the proper name is.

 

[Douggg]

I just call; her "Bridey". Not sure what the proper name is.

I was not asking about the name. But who is the bride of Jesus that will be accompanying Him at His return?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

First, into the clouds, then taken by Jesus to heaven.

Why wouldn't we just be caught up directly to heaven if that's where we were going to end up? What would be the point of first meeting Jesus in the air in that case? There would be no reason for that. You have Jesus descending from heaven and then going right back to heaven again for no reason.

 

[Douggg]

Why wouldn't we just be caught up directly to heaven if that's where we were going to end up? What would be the point of first meeting Jesus in the air in that case? There would be no reason for that. You have Jesus descending from heaven and then going right back to heaven again for no reason.

Not descending to stand on the earth earth again for the resurrection/rapture. But the resurrected/raptured Christians become His bride, to return with Him in Revelation 19:7-8, and Revelation 19:14.

The dead in Christ are raised first...resurrected. Then the living in Christ are changed and caught up, to join with the resurrected in Christ in the clouds. Which both groups will then meet Jesus on the other side of the clouds in the air and taken to heaven.

1Thessalonians4:
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.


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Consider that Jesus will come from heaven, bringing the souls of the dead in Christ with Him.

Then He quickly circles the earth, resurrecting from the dust of the earth, the bodies of the dead in Christ, reuniting their souls with resurrected redeemed eternal life bodies.

And as He circles, the living in Christ are changed as well, raptured up into the clouds, joining the resurrected in Christ - and on the other side of the clouds, together, meet Jesus in the air, joining with Him, as He continues circling the earth, resurrecting and rapturing.

One circling of the earth, and the body of Christ will be taken to heaven.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Not descending to stand on the earth earth again for the resurrection/rapture. But the resurrected/raptured Christians become His bride, to return with Him in Revelation 19:7-8, and Revelation 19:14.

The dead in Christ are raised first...resurrected. Then the living in Christ are changed and caught up, to join with the resurrected in Christ in the clouds. Which both groups will then meet Jesus on the other side of the clouds in the air and taken to heaven.

1Thessalonians4:
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.


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Consider that Jesus will come from heaven, bringing the souls of the dead in Christ with Him.

Then He quickly circles the earth, resurrecting from the dust of the earth, the bodies of the dead in Christ, reuniting their souls with resurrected redeemed eternal life bodies.

And as He circles, the living in Christ are changed as well, raptured up into the clouds, joining the resurrected in Christ - and on the other side of the clouds, together, meet Jesus in the air, joining with Him, as He continues circling the earth, resurrecting and rapturing.

One circling of the earth, and the body of Christ will be taken to heaven.

This circling of the earth theory that you made up makes no sense. Why would Jesus need to descend from heaven to resurrect the bodies of the dead in Christ to reunite their souls with their immortal bodies? He could do that from heaven. You're not addressing the reason why we would need to meet Jesus in the air first before being taken to heaven? Why wouldn't we just be taken directly to heaven if that's where we were going to end up instead of meeting Him in the air?