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The wrath we are saved from is eternal damnation.(obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ)
The wrath in 1Thessalonains5:9, is God's wrath that will be poured out during the great tribulation.
""I hear a preacher for 5-10 minutes and tell you if he is of God or not.""
It means departure of the church, its so very obvious. It would be like me writing a letter unto you mentioning the Atlanta vs. Tampa Bay football game, then saying I am departing to go see a football game, then you for some reason thinking I am going to see the Tennessee Titans play.
Eschatology has nothing to do with Salvation. People are called unto different things. A milk man would have no clue what a watchmaker does and vice versa right? Likewise, my calling was unto a Prophetic bent and I knew that as a young Christian. In a vision in like 1986, I was running from some bad people, with 2 small kids in hand, and as I hid behind a bush, by a house I heard a booming voice from the heavens say "The Man of Sin is here" and as a young Christian i barely knew that referenced the Anti-Christ, but I was like what was that, never had a vision before. Them a bit later (this is how God affirms things in the distance future to us) I saw Jimmy Swaggart in another vision, he was preaching in huge auditorium to maybe 9 or 10 people. Within 2 weeks he had fallen from grace with a prostitute. God was saying SEE, SEE, SEE I know all things, and what I told you about the Anti-Christ is true also.
This analogy is totally false. The definition of falling away from the faith is not only in perfect harmony with the rest of the text, it is also in harmony with how "ἀφίστημ" is used in classical Greek writings. It is in harmony with the only other placed it is used in the bible, Acts 21:21. It has NEVER been used as departing from some location. That is just a pre- trib invention. I suggest you research ἀφίστημ and see if it has ever been used in the way you are trying to spin it.
He doesn't need to mention faith to tell us that there must be a falling away from it before that day arrives. He does tell us in other places what will happen in the last days to the faith and this letter is in harmony with that.
The church will be caught up at the second coming of Jesus which happens at the last Trump in 1Cor 15 and the 7th trump in Rev 11.
You have to force your paradigm into the text because that's not what it says. It's the sign of the son of Man comes right after the Sun is darkened. "
Yes, it COULD be an asteroid impact or other natural phenomena. Then again it could be a totally super natural judgement. We cannot know for sure until it happens. Forcing all of this into the text is that old "Late great planet earth" paradigm invented by Hal Lindsey. The pre-trib rapture myth is like a commercial drive through happy meal at Micky D's It's a western invention that ignores the fact that there are MILLIONS of Christians suffering horrendous persecution at this very time. Go tell them how they will be raptured before any real tribulation comes. The whole pre-trib fairy tale is a milk shake eschatological desert for big ole baby Christians. I used to believe it myself...until the Lord opened my eyes.
We agree, the wrong interpretation of Revelation is not a justification issue today
I'm not evading anything. You're trying to change the subject. You are the one evading what your question was implying about shepherdsword's beliefs. By asking him if he thinks any Christian would be comforted to know they will go through the great tribulation, which you say includes God's wrath, that implies that you are asking him if he thinks any Christian would be comforted to know they will go through great tribulation, including God's wrath. But, he didn't say that he believes that any Christian will have to go through God's wrath. So, it was an inappropriate question to ask him. But, you are too prideful to admit that.
This is where you are wrong. You are not looking at the context of that verse. No, 1 Thessalonians 5:9 is God's wrath that will be poured out on the day that Jesus comes unexpectedly as a thief in the night which will be immediately after the great tribulation ("tribulation of those days") ends (Matthew 24:29-51).
God's wrath will take place at different points during the end times..
You didn't address what I said at all, which is typical of you. You brought up 1 Thessalonians 5:9 and the context of that verse is in relation to the wrath that will occur on the day Jesus comes as a thief in the night. On that day, we will be caught up to meet the Lord in the air while unbelievers will experience "sudden destruction" from which "they shall not escape". So, the context of 1 Thessalonians 5:9 is that we are not appointed to God's wrath that will occur on the day Jesus comes as a thief in the night.
I notice that you say the same to other posters here in your discussions with them. I addressed what you said, but I don't think you agreed to, nor liked ,my response.
No, Christians are not appointed to go through the great tribulation.
Yes, I say that to everyone who doesn't address my arguments. I'm consistent like that.
You did not address it. You response said NOTHING about the context of 1 Thessalonians 5. I showed the context of 1 Thessalonians 5:9-11 by looking at the previous verses. You said NOTHING in response to that. Replying to a post doesn't mean you addressed what was said in the post. What you think is addressing a post is just you sharing your beliefs yet again without actually specifically addressing what the other person said.
I told you I would do that if you admitted that you asked shepherdsword an inappropriate question that implied that he thinks that Christians will experience God's wrath, which he does not believe. You haven't done that yet, and I don't expect that you ever will.
