PAUL WAS NOT IN THE BELIEVING REMNANT OF ISRAEL

[Doug]

[Mar 3:28-29 KJV] 28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: 29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:

Jesus said that blasphemers never have forgiveness.

[Luk 12:9-10 KJV] 9 But he that denieth me before men shall be denied before the angels of God. 10 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.

Jesus said those who denied him before men shall likewise be denied. Jesus once again says that blasphemers are not forgiven.

[1Ti 1:13-15 KJV] 13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did [it] ignorantly in unbelief. 14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus. 15 This [is] a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

Paul denied that Jesus was the Son of God (Acts 9:20-21). Paul says that he was a blasphemer.

Some say Paul was in the believing remnant of Israel. How could Paul be in the remnant when he denied Christ and was a blasphemer.

Paul was saved by the grace of God in this dispensation of the grace of God.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

[Mar 3:28-29 KJV] 28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: 29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:

Jesus said that blasphemers never have forgiveness.

[Luk 12:9-10 KJV] 9 But he that denieth me before men shall be denied before the angels of God. 10 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.

Jesus said those who denied him before men shall likewise be denied. Jesus once again says that blasphemers are not forgiven.

[1Ti 1:13-15 KJV] 13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did [it] ignorantly in unbelief. 14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus. 15 This [is] a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

Paul denied that Jesus was the Son of God (Acts 9:20-21). Paul says that he was a blasphemer.

Some say Paul was in the believing remnant of Israel. How could Paul be in the remnant when he denied Christ and was a blasphemer.

Paul was saved by the grace of God in this dispensation of the grace of God.

YOu are thinking on this all wrong. We all were blasphemers at one point. Paul even declared He was set apart from his mothers' womb! And He most definitely is part of the believing remnant of Israel!

Romans 9

King James Version

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9 I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,
2 That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart.
3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:

Romans 11

King James Version

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11 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,
3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

And in this dispensation of grace- there is still a believing remnant.

 

[Doug]

YOu are thinking on this all wrong. We all were blasphemers at one point.

If that is the case, then we needed grace for that blasphemy just as Paul received

 

[Ronald Nolette]

If that is the case, then we needed grace for that blasphemy just as Paul received

And that is exactly what we got and get! God is no respecter of persons when it comes to administering grace.

 

[Doug]

And in this dispensation of grace- there is still a believing remnant.

I dont think so
The gospel of the kingdom is suspended until the tribulation and diminished in Acts.......the gospel of the kingdom is not being preached today to enter the kingdom
Today there is not a remnant
Today Jew and Gentile form a new creature

 

[Doug]

And that is exactly what we got and get! God is no respecter of persons when it comes to administering grace.

Thats right but Paul was not in the dispensation of grace like us when he rejected Christ.....that was revealed to him in Acts 9

 

[Truly]

[Mar 3:28-29 KJV] 28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: 29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:

Jesus said that blasphemers never have forgiveness.

[Luk 12:9-10 KJV] 9 But he that denieth me before men shall be denied before the angels of God. 10 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.

Jesus said those who denied him before men shall likewise be denied. Jesus once again says that blasphemers are not forgiven.

[1Ti 1:13-15 KJV] 13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did [it] ignorantly in unbelief. 14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus. 15 This [is] a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

Paul denied that Jesus was the Son of God (Acts 9:20-21). Paul says that he was a blasphemer.

Some say Paul was in the believing remnant of Israel. How could Paul be in the remnant when he denied Christ and was a blasphemer.

Paul was saved by the grace of God in this dispensation of the grace of God.

There are different blashemes though, and to blaspheme just means to speak against, this was a sign as it relates to Jesus Christ, for example here

Luke 2:34 And Simeon blessed them, and said unto Mary his mother, Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against (Acts 28:22)

And so Jesus says,

Mark 3:28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme

And more specifically Jesus said also,

Mat 12:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

Paul also says,

Acts 26:9 I verily thought with myself, that I ought to do many things contrary to the name of Jesus of Nazareth.

Acts 26:10 Which thing I also did in Jerusalem: and many of the saints did I shut up in prison, having received authority from the chief priests; and when they were put to death, I gave my voice against them.

Paul acknowledges

1 Ti 1:13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.

See also sins in ignorance even in the OT

Again,

Mark 3:28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme

And similarly

Mat 12:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him

Simeon said Jesus was for a sign which shall be spoken against (Luke:2:34)

Jesus is "the way" (which they call heresy) he is a sign to be spoken against, to speak against is to blaspheme

Acts 24:14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets (Which testified of Christ)

Everywhere he is spoken against

Acts 28:22 But we desire to hear of thee what thou thinkest: for as concerning this sect, we know that every where it is spoken against.

1 Peter 4:14 If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified.

 

[Doug]

There are different blashemes though, and to blaspheme just means to speak against, this was a sign as it relates to Jesus Christ, for example here

Luke 2:34 And Simeon blessed them, and said unto Mary his mother, Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against (Acts 28:22)

And so Jesus says,

Mark 3:28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme

And more specifically Jesus said also,

Mat 12:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

Paul also says,

Acts 26:9 I verily thought with myself, that I ought to do many things contrary to the name of Jesus of Nazareth.

Acts 26:10 Which thing I also did in Jerusalem: and many of the saints did I shut up in prison, having received authority from the chief priests; and when they were put to death, I gave my voice against them.

Paul acknowledges

1 Ti 1:13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.

See also sins in ignorance even in the OT

Again,

Mark 3:28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme

And similarly

Mat 12:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him

Simeon said Jesus was for a sign which shall be spoken against (Luke:2:34)

Jesus is "the way" (which they call heresy) he is a sign to be spoken against, to speak against is to blaspheme

Acts 24:14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets (Which testified of Christ)

Everywhere he is spoken against

Acts 28:22 But we desire to hear of thee what thou thinkest: for as concerning this sect, we know that every where it is spoken against.

1 Peter 4:14 If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified.

Yes
Just look at this..................[Act 7:51 KJV] 51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers [did], so [do] ye...............this is what Stephen said........they were resisting the Holy Ghost..........Stephen was full of the Holy Ghost..................[Act 7:55 KJV] 55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,.............they stoned Stephen.................Paul was consenting to his death...................[Act 8:1 KJV] 1 And Saul was consenting unto his death. And at that time there was a great persecution against the church which was at Jerusalem; and they were all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judaea and Samaria, except the apostles..............Paul was blaspheming the Holy Ghost and under Jesus's teaching could not be forgiven to be in the little flock, the remnant.....under Grace he could

 

[Truly]

Yes
Just look at this..................[Act 7:51 KJV] 51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers [did], so [do] ye...............this is what Stephen said........they were resisting the Holy Ghost..........Stephen was full of the Holy Ghost..................[Act 7:55 KJV] 55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,.............they stoned Stephen.................Paul was consenting to his death...................[Act 8:1 KJV] 1 And Saul was consenting unto his death. And at that time there was a great persecution against the church which was at Jerusalem; and they were all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judaea and Samaria, except the apostles..............Paul was blaspheming the Holy Ghost and under Jesus's teaching could not be forgiven to be in the little flock, the remnant.....under Grace he could

Where does it say Paul blasphemed the Holy Ghost?

You left verse 52 out

Acts 7:52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers

And much earlier here even

Acts 3:14 But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you;

Acts 3:15 And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.

Acts 3:16 And his name through faith in his name hath made this man strong, whom ye see and know: yea, the faith which is by him hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.

Acts 3:17 And now, brethren, I wot that through ignorance ye did it, as did also your rulers.

As Paul said also

1 Ti 1:13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.

And ofcourse they were filled with the Holy Ghost

Acts 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

Because after the Holy Ghost come upon them they were to be witnesses of ME ( JESUS )

How is resisting them preaching Jesus Christ by Holy Ghost the same as blaspheming the Holy Ghost when you can blaspheme against the Son and be forgiven whereas that is not the case with the Holy Ghost.

 

[Doug]

Where does it say Paul blasphemed the Holy Ghost?

You left verse 52 out

Acts 7:52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers

And much earlier here even

Acts 3:14 But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you;

Acts 3:15 And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.

Acts 3:16 And his name through faith in his name hath made this man strong, whom ye see and know: yea, the faith which is by him hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.

Acts 3:17 And now, brethren, I wot that through ignorance ye did it, as did also your rulers.

As Paul said also

1 Ti 1:13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.

And ofcourse they were filled with the Holy Ghost

Acts 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

Because after the Holy Ghost come upon them they were to be witnesses of ME ( JESUS )

How is resisting them preaching Jesus Christ by Holy Ghost the same as blaspheming the Holy Ghost when you can blaspheme against the Son and be forgiven whereas that is not the case with the Holy Ghost.

I just was connecting blasphemy because Stephen full of the Holy Ghost was stoned and Paul was consenting to stoning him for what he said being full of the Holy Ghost.........if you disagree i get it ......it still remains Paul said he was a blasphemer
Why they could be forgiven for blasphemy against the Son of God sorry I dont know

 

[Truly]

I just was connecting blasphemy because Stephen full of the Holy Ghost was stoned and Paul was consenting to stoning him for what he said being full of the Holy Ghost.........if you disagree i get it ......it still remains Paul said he was a blasphemer
Why they could be forgiven for blasphemy against the Son of God sorry I dont know

Hi Doug, its Verily (new username) just so you are aware its me.

You know, these also killed Jesus who did all his works by the Holy Ghost

As the apostles speaking by the same Holy Ghost testify here

Acts 3:14 But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you;

Acts 3:15 And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.

Acts 3:17 And now, brethren, I wot that through ignorance ye did it, as did also your rulers.

And because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets as is pointed out here

Acts 13:27 For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath day, they have fulfilled them in condemning him.

Jesus also said, "As my Father hath sent me, even so send I you"

John 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost

As Jesus said here,

Luke 21:15 For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.

Regardless of this Jesus said,

Luke 21:16 And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death.

Even as we see Stephen full of the Holy Ghost and it says

Acts 6:10 And they were not able to resist the wisdom and the spirit by which he spake.

And so they resorted to false witness

Acts 6:11 Then they suborned men, which said, We have heard him speak blasphemous words against Moses, and against God.

Down further it says here

Acts 7:55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,

Acts 7:56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

And as they stoned Stephen caling upon the name of the Lord, and here it says,

Acts 7:60 And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep.

Stephen wouldn't be asking the Lord not to lay the unforgiveable sin to their charge if that were the case that they committed such.

While they falsely charge Stephen with speaking blasphemous words against Moses and God

All the while its Christ who would be a sign to be spoken against

Acts 26:9 I verily thought with myself, that I ought to do many things contrary to the name of Jesus of Nazareth.

As Paul confessed much earlier that he persecuted "this way" unto the death

Acts 22:4 And I persecuted this way unto the death, binding and delivering into prisons both men and women.

Even consenting unto Stephen's death

Acts 22:20 And when the blood of thy martyr Stephen was shed, I also was standing by, and consenting unto his death, and kept the raiment of them that slew him.

In Acts 9:1 when Saul was yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord (John 15:21) when he was met with the light from heaven

Acts 22:7 And I fell unto the ground, and heard a voice saying unto me,

Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?

Acts 22:8 And I answered, Who art thou, Lord? And he said unto me, I am Jesus of Nazareth, whom thou persecutest.

So Acts records that it was Jesus of Nazareth whom Saul was persecuting even when he was persecuting the Church.

And yet Saul (now called Paul) states,

Romans 1:5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name

1 Ti 1:13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.

1 Cr 15:9 For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.

1 Cr 15:10 But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.

You can see grace in the life of Paul

 

[Doug]

Hi Doug, its Verily (new username) just so you are aware its me.

You know, these also killed Jesus who did all his works by the Holy Ghost

As the apostles speaking by the same Holy Ghost testify here

Acts 3:14 But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you;

Acts 3:15 And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.

Acts 3:17 And now, brethren, I wot that through ignorance ye did it, as did also your rulers.

And because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets as is pointed out here

Acts 13:27 For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath day, they have fulfilled them in condemning him.

Jesus also said, "As my Father hath sent me, even so send I you"

John 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost

As Jesus said here,

Luke 21:15 For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.

Regardless of this Jesus said,

Luke 21:16 And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death.

Even as we see Stephen full of the Holy Ghost and it says

Acts 6:10 And they were not able to resist the wisdom and the spirit by which he spake.

And so they resorted to false witness

Acts 6:11 Then they suborned men, which said, We have heard him speak blasphemous words against Moses, and against God.

Down further it says here

Acts 7:55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,

Acts 7:56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

And as they stoned Stephen caling upon the name of the Lord, and here it says,

Acts 7:60 And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep.

Stephen wouldn't be asking the Lord not to lay the unforgiveable sin to their charge if that were the case that they committed such.

While they falsely charge Stephen with speaking blasphemous words against Moses and God

All the while its Christ who would be a sign to be spoken against

Acts 26:9 I verily thought with myself, that I ought to do many things contrary to the name of Jesus of Nazareth.

As Paul confessed much earlier that he persecuted "this way" unto the death

Acts 22:4 And I persecuted this way unto the death, binding and delivering into prisons both men and women.

Even consenting unto Stephen's death

Acts 22:20 And when the blood of thy martyr Stephen was shed, I also was standing by, and consenting unto his death, and kept the raiment of them that slew him.

In Acts 9:1 when Saul was yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord (John 15:21) when he was met with the light from heaven

Acts 22:7 And I fell unto the ground, and heard a voice saying unto me,

Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?

Acts 22:8 And I answered, Who art thou, Lord? And he said unto me, I am Jesus of Nazareth, whom thou persecutest.

So Acts records that it was Jesus of Nazareth whom Saul was persecuting even when he was persecuting the Church.

And yet Saul (now called Paul) states,

Romans 1:5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name

1 Ti 1:13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.

1 Cr 15:9 For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.

1 Cr 15:10 But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.

You can see grace in the life of Paul

Hi
Hope you are doing well
Good post

 

[Truly]

Hi
Hope you are doing well
Good post

Thank you Doug, you as well, God bless you in Jesus Christ our Lord