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In 1Cor 11:23 Paul says, "For I received of the Master that which I also delivered unto you", meaning that he delivered to them what he himself had received, and then he quotes directly word for word verbatim from the Gospel account which we know as Luke.

1 Corinthians 11:23-25 ASV
23 For I received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus in the night in which he was betrayed took bread; [Luke 22:19a]
24 and when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, This is my body, which is for you: this do in remembrance of me. [Luke 22:19]
25 In like manner also the cup, after supper, saying, This cup is the new covenant in my blood: [Luke 22:a-b] this do, as often as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

Luke 22:19-20 ASV
19 And he took bread, [1Cor 11:23b] and when he had given thanks, he brake it, and gave to them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me. [1Cor 11:24]
20 And the cup in like manner after supper, saying, This cup is the new covenant in my blood, [1Cor 11:25a-b] even that which is poured out for you.

This passage from Luke 22:19-20 was given to Paul, according to his own testimony, and he says he also delivered it to the Corinthians: that is surely speaking of a writing, and the writing is the Gospel account we now know as Luke, obviously, from the quote of Luke 22:19-20 found in this epistle to the Corinthians. Paul then says the same again, later in the same epistle.

1 Corinthians 14:36 ASV
36 What? was it from you that the word of God went forth? or came it unto you alone?

The Word of Elohim had come to them: the Gospel account we now know as Luke.

1 Corinthians 14:37-38
37 If any man thinketh himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him take knowledge of the things which I write unto you, that they are the commandment(s) of the Lord.
38 But if any man is ignorant, let him be ignorant.

The things Paul writes to them concern the commandments of the Master, and he is reminding them that he speaks of that which he had received, which he had also delivered unto them: the Gospel account we know as Luke. And the next chapter is still the same passage, and thus the same context, and he reminds them again therein that he had delivered unto them what he himself had also received: the Gospel account now known as Luke.

1 Corinthians 15:1-8 ASV
1 Now I make known unto you brethren, the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye received, wherein also ye stand,
2 by which also ye are saved, if ye hold fast the word which I preached unto you, except ye believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which also I received: that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; [(writings) Gospel of Luke]
4 and that he was buried; and that he hath been raised on the third day according to the scriptures; [(writings) Gospel of Luke]
5 and that he appeared to Cephas; [Luke 24:34] then to the twelve; ["the Eleven", Luke 24:33, proven at this link]
6 then he appeared to above five hundred brethren at once, of whom the greater part remain until now, but some are fallen asleep;
7 then he appeared to James; then to all the apostles;
8 and last of all, as to the child untimely born, he appeared to me also.

Therefore it is imperative that one understands where Paul, (Shaul at that point), did indeed receive what he had also delivered to his congregations, obviously including also the Galatians according to what he writes to them in Gal 3:1, (as will be shown below). Where did Paul receive his Gospel? He received it immediately upon his initial conversion, right after the appearance of the Master to him near Damascus, and it was given to him by Hananyah, (Ananias), when Hananyah was commanded by the Master to seek out Shaul, and go lay the Power upon him so that he might receive sight.

All one needs to be able to understand this is to understand that the word hand in Hebrew-Biblical thought represents power. Hananyah did not necessarily lay his own physical hands on Paul, and the Greek text does not say that, it rather says he laid the hands, not his hands, upon Shaul, (Acts 9:12, Acts 9:17). So Hananyah laid the Power upon Shaul, and the Power is the Word, and therefore surely the Testimony of the Master in the Gospel accounts in this case: for Shaul already knew the rest of the scripture found in the Hebrew scriptures, but was blind to what they truly teach and preach, and it is the Testimony of the Master which expounds all things of the Torah, Prophets, and Writings in the Hebrew scriptures.

Hananyah gave Shaul a record of what has now come to be known as the Gospel of Luke. And when Hananyah did so, what then was it which he admonished Shaul to do? Hananyah admonished Shaul to arise and be immersed, (Acts 22:16). Immerse in what? Immersion is not literal water immersion: Biblical immersion is immersion into the Word of Elohim. Thus Shaul went into Arabia, (for six months, but that is another line of discussion), and he immersed in the Gospel which Hananyah had laid upon him: the Power of Elohim, the Word of Elohim, and in this case it was the Gospel we now know as Luke by way of the quote we have from that Gospel account in 1Cor 11:23-25.

Now therefore the Galatians, according to Gal 3:1, had indeed begun in the Spirit, which is the Testimony of the Master, which is Spirit, (John 6:63), for Paul had delivered unto the Galatians that which he himself had also received, just as he says he did with the Corinthians.

The passage actually tells us that the Galatians had a Gospel account in their possession, no doubt given to them by Paul, which is assuredly the Gospel we now know as Luke, being quoted from and expounded in 1Cor 11:23-26, 1Cor 14:37-38, and on through 1Cor 15:1-6. This is why Paul says to the Galatians:

Galatians 3:1
1 ω ανοητοι γαλαται τις υμας εβασκανεν οις κατ οφθαλμους ιησους χριστος προεγραφη εσταυρωμενος

προεγραφη = written before(hand)

Mickelson's Enhanced Strong's Dictionaries
G4270 προγράφω prographo (pro-gra'-fō) v.
1. to write previously.
2. (figuratively) to announce, prescribe.
[from G4253 and G1125]
KJV: before ordain, evidently set forth, write (afore, aforetime)
Root(s): G4253, G1125

Paul is reminding the Galatians of a literal Gospel account which they had received from him. The Galatians were not at Golgotha to have seen the crucifixion for themselves, with their own eyes: that rather came by the message and the Gospel account which Paul had delivered unto them.

Galatians 3:1 LSV (Literal Standard Version)
1 O thoughtless Galatians, who bewitched you, not to obey the truth—before whose eyes [it] was previously written [about] Jesus Christ having been crucified?

They had received and had read/studied the writing, a Gospel account full of the Testimony of the Master, ("Paul's Gospel", a.k.a. "Luke"), and thus he says in the above statement, "before whose eyes it was previously written". And if testimony is spirit, and it is, (whether for the good or whether for the evil), then this is where they had received the Spirit because the Testimony of the Meshiah in the Gospel accounts, (John 6:63), is the new Spirit of the new-renewed covenant, (Eze 11:19-20, Eze 36:26-27).
 

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Here is the easy way to understand Paul's Gospel..

Or as Paul explains it......"we preach Christ Crucified".......not water baptism or repenting from sin or keeping commandments.
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New International Version
For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.

New Living Translation
For I decided that while I was with you I would forget everything except Jesus Christ, the one who was crucified.

English Standard Version
For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.

Berean Standard Bible
For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified.

Berean Literal Bible
For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and Him having been crucified.

King James Bible
For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

New King James Version
For I determined not to know anything among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified.

New American Standard Bible
For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified.

NASB 1995
For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified.

NASB 1977
For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified.

Legacy Standard Bible
For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified.

Amplified Bible
for I made the decision to know nothing [that is, to forego philosophical or theological discussions regarding inconsequential things and opinions while] among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified [and the meaning of His redemptive, substitutionary death and His resurrection].

Christian Standard Bible
I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
For I didn’t think it was a good idea to know anything among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified.

American Standard Version
For I determined not to know anything among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

Contemporary English Version
In fact, while I was with you, I made up my mind to speak only about Jesus Christ, who had been nailed to a cross.

English Revised Version
For I determined not to know anything among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
While I was with you, I decided to deal with only one subject-Jesus Christ, who was crucified.

Good News Translation
For while I was with you, I made up my mind to forget everything except Jesus Christ and especially his death on the cross.

International Standard Version
For while I was with you I resolved to know nothing except Jesus the Messiah, and him crucified.

NET Bible
For I decided to be concerned about nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

New Heart English Bible
For I determined not to know anything among you, except Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

Webster's Bible Translation
For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

Weymouth New Testament
For I determined to be utterly ignorant, when among you, of everything except of Jesus Christ, and of Him as having been crucified.
Majority Text Translations
Majority Standard Bible
For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified.

World English Bible
For I determined not to know anything among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.
Literal Translations
Literal Standard Version
for I decided not to know anything among you, except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified;

Berean Literal Bible
For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and Him having been crucified.

Young's Literal Translation
for I decided not to know any thing among you, except Jesus Christ, and him crucified;

Smith's Literal Translation
For I judged not to know any thing among you, except Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
 

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Here is the easy way to understand Paul's Gospel..

Or as Paul explains it......"we preach Christ Crucified".......not water baptism or repenting from sin or keeping commandments.
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New International Version
For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.

New Living Translation
For I decided that while I was with you I would forget everything except Jesus Christ, the one who was crucified.

English Standard Version
For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.

Berean Standard Bible
For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified.

Berean Literal Bible
For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and Him having been crucified.

King James Bible
For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

New King James Version
For I determined not to know anything among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified.

New American Standard Bible
For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified.

NASB 1995
For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified.

NASB 1977
For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified.

Legacy Standard Bible
For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified.

Amplified Bible
for I made the decision to know nothing [that is, to forego philosophical or theological discussions regarding inconsequential things and opinions while] among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified [and the meaning of His redemptive, substitutionary death and His resurrection].

Christian Standard Bible
I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
For I didn’t think it was a good idea to know anything among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified.

American Standard Version
For I determined not to know anything among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

Contemporary English Version
In fact, while I was with you, I made up my mind to speak only about Jesus Christ, who had been nailed to a cross.

English Revised Version
For I determined not to know anything among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
While I was with you, I decided to deal with only one subject-Jesus Christ, who was crucified.

Good News Translation
For while I was with you, I made up my mind to forget everything except Jesus Christ and especially his death on the cross.

International Standard Version
For while I was with you I resolved to know nothing except Jesus the Messiah, and him crucified.

NET Bible
For I decided to be concerned about nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

New Heart English Bible
For I determined not to know anything among you, except Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

Webster's Bible Translation
For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

Weymouth New Testament
For I determined to be utterly ignorant, when among you, of everything except of Jesus Christ, and of Him as having been crucified.
Majority Text Translations
Majority Standard Bible
For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified.

World English Bible
For I determined not to know anything among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.
Literal Translations
Literal Standard Version
for I decided not to know anything among you, except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified;

Berean Literal Bible
For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and Him having been crucified.

Young's Literal Translation
for I decided not to know any thing among you, except Jesus Christ, and him crucified;

Smith's Literal Translation
For I judged not to know any thing among you, except Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

No, imho, that is not the Gospel of Paul: read the whole chapter instead of extracting one verse and adding your paradigm into it. You've taken it out of its context: the Logos-understanding is by the context and your statement does not agree with the context.
 
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No, imho, that is not the Gospel of Paul: read the whole chapter instead of extracting one verse and adding your paradigm into it. You've taken it out of its context: the Logos-understanding is by the context and your statement does not agree with the context.

Here is Paul's Gospel.

"We preach Christ Crucified".

I posted it above, in the previous post.

Another way its understood is.. "The Preaching of the Cross, is the power of God, unto Salvation".. "unto everyone who BELIEVES".

Another way Paul's Gospel is understood is.......>"The Gospel of the Grace of God".

Another way to understand Paul's Gospel, is........"Justification by faith", "without works or deeds of the Law".

Another way to understand Paul's Gospel is......"All who call upon the Lord, shall be saved".
 

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Here is Paul's Gospel.

"We preach Christ Crucified".

I posted it above, in the previous post.

Another way its understood is.. "The Preaching of the Cross, is the power of God, unto Salvation".. "unto everyone who BELIEVES".

Another way Paul's Gospel is understood is.......>"The Gospel of the Grace of God".

Another way to understand Paul's Gospel, is........"Justification by faith", "without works or deeds of the Law".

Another way to understand Paul's Gospel is......"All who call upon the Lord, shall be saved".

That last one means to preach or herald the name of the LORD. The first usage is spoken of Enosh, the first preacher of righteousness, (making Noah the eighth preacher of righteousness, 2Pet 2:5).

Genesis 4:26 LSV (Literal Standard Version)
26 And to Seth, to him also a son has been born, and he calls his name Enos; then a beginning was made of preaching in the Name of YHWH.

This is why Paul goes into the very same subject of preaching after making this statement in Romans 10.

Romans 10:6-13 KJV
6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? [Deut 30:12] (that is, to bring Christ down from above: )
7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? [Deut 30:13] (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead. )
8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: [Deut 30:14] that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. [Joel 2:32, Acts 2:21]

Thus Paul quotes from the Torah and even openly states that the rhema-word of the faith which he preaches comes directly from that passage, (Deut 30:14).

Follow on through the chapter and see that Paul takes the discourse into the understanding of what it means to "call upon the name of the LORD", it isn't call upon in the Hebrew but simply the bet prefix attached to the word for name, בשם, (beshem, in the name), to call, cry out, preach, herald, in the Name of YHWH, just as rendered in the Gen 4:26 literal rendering from the LSV quoted above.

Moreover Paul speaks obviously and openly in the several places where he uses the phrase "my Gospel", (and I am a little curious that you have not mentioned any of those occurrences or quoted any of them in support of your perspective).

Romans 2:12-16 KJV
12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
13 ( For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another; )
16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

Romans 16:25-27 KJV
25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
27 To God only wise, be glory through Jesus Christ for ever. Amen.

2 Timothy 2:8 KJV
8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:

According to Paul himself his Gospel contains the Torah, the Prophets, and the Writings, and that is as taught by the Master, and by the preaching and teaching of the Master, (not the Pharisees, Sadducees, and Scribes, and their private interpretations of the Torah, Prophets, and Writings), and that Gospel, full of the teaching and preaching of the Master concerning the Torah, Prophets, and Writings, is found in Paul's Gospel: the Gospel account which we now know as Luke.
 

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Here is Paul's Gospel.

"We preach Christ Crucified".

I posted it above, in the previous post.

Another way its understood is.. "The Preaching of the Cross, is the power of God, unto Salvation".. "unto everyone who BELIEVES".

Another way Paul's Gospel is understood is.......>"The Gospel of the Grace of God".

Another way to understand Paul's Gospel, is........"Justification by faith", "without works or deeds of the Law".

Another way to understand Paul's Gospel is......"All who call upon the Lord, shall be saved".
You realize Paul is not the entirety of the word, right? James tells us faith without works is dead. Explain how a dead faith saves anyone. Im asking for a friend
 
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No, imho, that is not the Gospel of Paul: read the whole chapter instead of extracting one verse and adding your paradigm into it. You've taken it out of its context: the Logos-understanding is by the context and your statement does not agree with the context.
the gospel of paul

EPH 1: 13 In Him YOU ALSO TRUSTED , after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also ,HAVING BELIEVED YOU WERE SEALED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT OF PROMISE 14 who IS THE GAURANTEE OF OUR INHERITANCE until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

THE INHERITANCE HE SAID WE ALREADY HAD IN THE 1ST 12 VERSES.

eph 2: 4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses,MADE US ALIVE together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and RAISED US UP TOGETHER , and MADE US SIT TOGETHER IN HEAVENLY PLACES 7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For BY GRACE YOU HAVE BEEN SAVED (A COMPLETED ACTION) THROUGH FAITH , (AS MANY AS HAVE RECIEVED) and that NOT OF YOURSELVES ; it IS THE GIFT OF GOD, 9 NOT OF WORKS LEST ANYONE SHOULD BOAST (NO WORKS)

rom 4: 3 For what does the Scripture say? “ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD AND HE ACOUNTED IT TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS.” 4 Now TO HIM WHO WORKS, THE WAGES ARE NOT COUNTED AS GRACE BUT DEBT (Works cancels out grace. and makes it a wage) 5 But TO HIM WHO DOES NOT WORK but BELIEVES ON HIM WHO JUSTIFIES THE UNGOLDY , his HIS FAITH IS ACCOUNTED FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS (AGAIN NO WORKS. PERIOD)

rom 4: 16 Therefore IT IF OF FAITH THAT IT MAY BE ACCORDING TO GRACE , so that THE PROMISE MAY BE SURE TO ALL THE SEED not only to those who are of the law, but also TO THOSE WHO ARE OF THE FAITH OF ABRAHAM , who is the father of us all (AGAIN, NO WORKS, IT IS OF GRACE THROUGH FAITH)

Rom 4: 23 Now it was not written for his sake alone that it was imputed to him, 24 but ALSO FOR US, IT SHALL BE IMPUTED TO US WHO BELIEVE IN HIM WHO RAISED UP JESUS OUR LORD FROM THE DEAD , 25 who was delivered up because of our offenses, and was RAISED BECAUSE OF OUR JUSTIFICATION (AGAIN NO WORKS)

Rom 11: 6 And IF BY GRACE, THAN IT IS NO LONGER OF WORKS, ; otherwise GRACE IS NO LONGER GRACE. But IF IT IS OF WORKS, THEN IT IS NO LONGER OF GRACE. OTHERWISE WORK IS NO LONGER WORK (AS i HAVE SAID NUMEROUS TIME, GRACE + WORKS = WORKS.. GRACE AND WORKS CAN NOT MIX IN THE AREA OF SALVATION. ITS LIKE MIXING OIL AND WATER)

2 Tim 1: 9 who HAS SAVED US (A COMPLETED ACTION) and called us with a holy calling, NOT ACCORDING TO OUR WORKS , but ACCORDING TO HIS OWN PURPOSE AND GRACE which was GIVEN TO US in Christ Jesus BEFORE TIME BEGAN (AGAIN, NO WORKS. BUT GRACE)

Titus 3: 4 But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared, 5 NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS (GOOD DEEDS) WHICH WE HAVE DONE , but ACCORDING TO HIS MERCY HE SAVED US through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, 6 whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 that HAVING BEEN JUSTIFIED BY HIS GRACE we should become HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE
(AGAIN, NO QUESTION HERE. PAUL LEAVES NO QUESTION. NO GOOD DEED CAN SAVE US,. WE ARE SAVED BY GODS MERCY, AND GIVEN THE HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE. WHICH IS PROMISED BEFORE TIME BEGAN


Titus 1: 2
in HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE which GOD WHO CAN NOT LIE PROMISED BEFORE TIME BEGAN

no works. so why would we add works to the gospel. and claim paul taught this different gospel.
 

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You realize Paul is not the entirety of the word, right? James tells us faith without works is dead. Explain how a dead faith saves anyone. Im asking for a friend
You do realise Jesus taught the same as paul right?

James is speaking to people who have no faith. calling them to test their faith by their works.
 

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You do realise Jesus taught the same as paul right?

James is speaking to people who have no faith. calling them to test their faith by their works.
Heres what Jesus taught

Matthew 7:21
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my heavenly Father.

Sounds suspiciously like a faith completed by works.

Again Matthew

31 The Solemn Judgment at the End of Time.[e]“When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on the throne of his glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will place the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat; I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink; I was a stranger and you welcomed me; 36 I was naked and you clothed me; I was ill and you took care of me; I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

Faith alone wasnt how the sheep were able to inherit the kingdom they had faith AND they fed the hungry, gave drink to the thirsty, welcomed strangers, clothed the naked and visited prisoners. In other words a faith completed by works why? Because a faith without works is dead and a dead faith faith is as useful as a dead battery
 

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the gospel of paul

EPH 1: 13 In Him YOU ALSO TRUSTED , after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also ,HAVING BELIEVED YOU WERE SEALED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT OF PROMISE 14 who IS THE GAURANTEE OF OUR INHERITANCE until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

THE INHERITANCE HE SAID WE ALREADY HAD IN THE 1ST 12 VERSES.

eph 2: 4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses,MADE US ALIVE together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and RAISED US UP TOGETHER , and MADE US SIT TOGETHER IN HEAVENLY PLACES 7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For BY GRACE YOU HAVE BEEN SAVED (A COMPLETED ACTION) THROUGH FAITH , (AS MANY AS HAVE RECIEVED) and that NOT OF YOURSELVES ; it IS THE GIFT OF GOD, 9 NOT OF WORKS LEST ANYONE SHOULD BOAST (NO WORKS)

rom 4: 3 For what does the Scripture say? “ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD AND HE ACOUNTED IT TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS.” 4 Now TO HIM WHO WORKS, THE WAGES ARE NOT COUNTED AS GRACE BUT DEBT (Works cancels out grace. and makes it a wage) 5 But TO HIM WHO DOES NOT WORK but BELIEVES ON HIM WHO JUSTIFIES THE UNGOLDY , his HIS FAITH IS ACCOUNTED FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS (AGAIN NO WORKS. PERIOD)

rom 4: 16 Therefore IT IF OF FAITH THAT IT MAY BE ACCORDING TO GRACE , so that THE PROMISE MAY BE SURE TO ALL THE SEED not only to those who are of the law, but also TO THOSE WHO ARE OF THE FAITH OF ABRAHAM , who is the father of us all (AGAIN, NO WORKS, IT IS OF GRACE THROUGH FAITH)

Rom 4: 23 Now it was not written for his sake alone that it was imputed to him, 24 but ALSO FOR US, IT SHALL BE IMPUTED TO US WHO BELIEVE IN HIM WHO RAISED UP JESUS OUR LORD FROM THE DEAD , 25 who was delivered up because of our offenses, and was RAISED BECAUSE OF OUR JUSTIFICATION (AGAIN NO WORKS)

Rom 11: 6 And IF BY GRACE, THAN IT IS NO LONGER OF WORKS, ; otherwise GRACE IS NO LONGER GRACE. But IF IT IS OF WORKS, THEN IT IS NO LONGER OF GRACE. OTHERWISE WORK IS NO LONGER WORK (AS i HAVE SAID NUMEROUS TIME, GRACE + WORKS = WORKS.. GRACE AND WORKS CAN NOT MIX IN THE AREA OF SALVATION. ITS LIKE MIXING OIL AND WATER)

2 Tim 1: 9 who HAS SAVED US (A COMPLETED ACTION) and called us with a holy calling, NOT ACCORDING TO OUR WORKS , but ACCORDING TO HIS OWN PURPOSE AND GRACE which was GIVEN TO US in Christ Jesus BEFORE TIME BEGAN (AGAIN, NO WORKS. BUT GRACE)

Titus 3: 4 But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared, 5 NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS (GOOD DEEDS) WHICH WE HAVE DONE , but ACCORDING TO HIS MERCY HE SAVED US through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, 6 whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 that HAVING BEEN JUSTIFIED BY HIS GRACE we should become HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE
(AGAIN, NO QUESTION HERE. PAUL LEAVES NO QUESTION. NO GOOD DEED CAN SAVE US,. WE ARE SAVED BY GODS MERCY, AND GIVEN THE HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE. WHICH IS PROMISED BEFORE TIME BEGAN

Titus 1: 2
in HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE which GOD WHO CAN NOT LIE PROMISED BEFORE TIME BEGAN

no works. so why would we add works to the gospel. and claim paul taught this different gospel.

I fully understand that there is so much more to Paul's teachings that even the few verses you posted are just a drop in the bucket when it comes to the knowledge and wisdom of Paul, (in Meshiah). My focus is really on the three times he says "my Gospel", which have been quoted above, and the passages which pretty much prove the points made herein. It appears to me that he is literally speaking of a Gospel record, that is, in writing, and that would be the Gospel we now know as Luke, (regardless of what scholarship thinks about the dating of the autograph).

To try to add more to it which fits your understanding is to miss the point: the point is more specific. If I wanted to simply discuss "the Gospel" then I would have started out with the passage Paul quotes from at the top of Rom 10, (Deut 30), and the thread would likely become a never ending behemoth. :D
 

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Heres what Jesus taught

Matthew 7:21
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my heavenly Father.
Amen

Gods children WILL do this

Those who are not Gods will not


Sounds suspiciously like a faith completed by works.
Nope. Jesus did not contradict himself.

Here is what jesus said

John 1: 11: 11 He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. 12. But AS MANY AS HAVE RECIEVED HIM, to THEM he gave the right to become children, even TO THEM WHO BELIEVE 13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. (no works)

John 3, FOR God so loved the world he gave his only son that WHOEVER BELIEVES (trusts) in him will NEVER PERISH, and LIVE FOREVER (eternal life) for the son was not sent to judge, but that the world might be saved, he who BELIEVES is NOT CONDEMNED, he who does not believe is condemned already (no works)

John 4: 13 Jesus answered and said to her, “Whoever drinks of this water will thirst again, 14 but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will NEVER THIRST. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into EVERLASTING LIFE” (no works)

John 5: 24 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he whoever HEARS MY WORD and BELIEVES IN HIM WHO SENT ME who sent Me HAS ETERNAL LIFE and SHALL NOT COME INTO JUDGMENT but HAS PASSED FROM DEATH TO LIFE (No works)

John 6: 35 And Jesus said to them,I am the bread of life. HE WHO COMES TO ME shall NEVER HUNGER and he who BELIEVES IN ME shall NEVER THIRST (NO WORKS)

John 6: 37: and THE ONE WHO COMES TO ME I WILL BY NO MEANS CAST OUT 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, thatof all He has given Me I SHAL LOSE NOTHING, but SHOULD RAISE IT UP ON THE LAST DAY. 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that EVERYONE WHO SEES AND BELIEVES IN HIM MAY HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE AND I WILL (NOT MIGHT) RAISE HIM ON THE LAST DAY (NO WORKS)

John 6: 47 Most assuredly, I say to you, HE WHO BELIEVES IN ME HAS EVERLASTING LIFE. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead. 50 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that THAT ONE MAY EAT OF IT AND NOT DIE 51 am the living bread which came down from heaven. IF ANYONE EATS THIS BREAD HE WILL LIVE FOREVER (NO WORKS)

John 6: 63 It is the SPIRIT WHO GIVES LIFE ; the flesh profits nothing. THE WORDS THAT I SPEAK to you ARE SPIRIT AND THEY ARE LIFE (SIGNIFYING THE BREAD FROM HEAVEN, THE FLESH AND BOOD ARE THE WORDS JESUS SPOKE. NOT THE

There are so many more. but you see, Jesus and paul were in complete agreement. NO WORKS>

Again Matthew

31 The Solemn Judgment at the End of Time.[e]“When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on the throne of his glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will place the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat; I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink; I was a stranger and you welcomed me; 36 I was naked and you clothed me; I was ill and you took care of me; I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

Faith alone wasnt how the sheep were able to inherit the kingdom they had faith AND they fed the hungry, gave drink to the thirsty, welcomed strangers, clothed the naked and visited prisoners. In other words a faith completed by works why? Because a faith without works is dead and a dead faith faith is as useful as a dead battery
Yawn

Yes, this is descriptive. Those who are saved do works (eph 2: 10) those who are not either do not do works. or they do works, but their faith is in their works.

Jesus also said this of those people.

21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

You can cry to jesus of all your works all you want.

If you did not recieve his offer of forgiveness by Grace, he will say the same to you
 

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I fully understand that there is so much more to Paul's teachings that even the few verses you posted are just a drop in the bucket when it comes to the knowledge and wisdom of Paul, (in Meshiah). My focus is really on the three times he says "my Gospel", which have been quoted above, and the passages which pretty much prove the points made herein. It appears to me that he is literally speaking of a Gospel record, that is, in writing, and that would be the Gospel we now know as Luke, (regardless of what scholarship thinks about the dating of the autograph).

To try to add more to it which fits your understanding is to miss the point: the point is more specific. If I wanted to simply discuss "the Gospel" then I would have started out with the passage Paul quotes from at the top of Rom 10, (Deut 30), and the thread would likely become a never ending behemoth. :D
let make paul not an author of confusion. who contradicts himself

but one who has a message that always is in line..

Paul spoke against a works based gospel. he even said clearly if anyone teach a gospel different from his, they should be accursed. in the same token, calling the galations who tried to add works fools. for trying to perfect their faith in the flesh (works)
 

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let make paul not an author of confusion. who contradicts himself

but one who has a message that always is in line..

Paul spoke against a works based gospel. he even said clearly if anyone teach a gospel different from his, they should be accursed. in the same token, calling the galations who tried to add works fools. for trying to perfect their faith in the flesh (works)

You missed the teaching where he emphatically states that the Torah is spiritual, (Rom 7:14a).
Billions of people do not believe him even unto this day: and he received that too, from the Master.
 

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Amen

Gods children WILL do this

Those who are not Gods will not



Nope. Jesus did not contradict himself.

Here is what jesus said

John 1: 11: 11 He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. 12. But AS MANY AS HAVE RECIEVED HIM, to THEM he gave the right to become children, even TO THEM WHO BELIEVE 13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. (no works)

John 3, FOR God so loved the world he gave his only son that WHOEVER BELIEVES (trusts) in him will NEVER PERISH, and LIVE FOREVER (eternal life) for the son was not sent to judge, but that the world might be saved, he who BELIEVES is NOT CONDEMNED, he who does not believe is condemned already (no works)

John 4: 13 Jesus answered and said to her, “Whoever drinks of this water will thirst again, 14 but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will NEVER THIRST. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into EVERLASTING LIFE” (no works)

John 5: 24 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he whoever HEARS MY WORD and BELIEVES IN HIM WHO SENT ME who sent Me HAS ETERNAL LIFE and SHALL NOT COME INTO JUDGMENT but HAS PASSED FROM DEATH TO LIFE (No works)

John 6: 35 And Jesus said to them,I am the bread of life. HE WHO COMES TO ME shall NEVER HUNGER and he who BELIEVES IN ME shall NEVER THIRST (NO WORKS)

John 6: 37: and THE ONE WHO COMES TO ME I WILL BY NO MEANS CAST OUT 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, thatof all He has given Me I SHAL LOSE NOTHING, but SHOULD RAISE IT UP ON THE LAST DAY. 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that EVERYONE WHO SEES AND BELIEVES IN HIM MAY HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE AND I WILL (NOT MIGHT) RAISE HIM ON THE LAST DAY (NO WORKS)

John 6: 47 Most assuredly, I say to you, HE WHO BELIEVES IN ME HAS EVERLASTING LIFE. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead. 50 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that THAT ONE MAY EAT OF IT AND NOT DIE 51 am the living bread which came down from heaven. IF ANYONE EATS THIS BREAD HE WILL LIVE FOREVER (NO WORKS)

John 6: 63 It is the SPIRIT WHO GIVES LIFE ; the flesh profits nothing. THE WORDS THAT I SPEAK to you ARE SPIRIT AND THEY ARE LIFE (SIGNIFYING THE BREAD FROM HEAVEN, THE FLESH AND BOOD ARE THE WORDS JESUS SPOKE. NOT THE

There are so many more. but you see, Jesus and paul were in complete agreement. NO WORKS>


Yawn

Yes, this is descriptive. Those who are saved do works (eph 2: 10) those who are not either do not do works. or they do works, but their faith is in their works.

Jesus also said this of those people.

21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

You can cry to jesus of all your works all you want.

If you did not recieve his offer of forgiveness by Grace, he will say the same to you
Doing the will of God is a choice. its nonsensical to say "real" christians will do those things. LOL you just have to read a few posts from the so called christians here to realize thats not the case.
 

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You missed the teaching where he emphatically states that the Torah is spiritual, (Rom 7:14a).
Billions of people do not believe him even unto this day: and he received that too, from the Master.
How did I miss the point

It is spiritual. But let’s get it straight unless you keep every word and never break it. You’re condemned by it. James said if we even stumble in one point we are guilty of all

When you look at the law you should see how sinful you are and how unworthy you are. If you do not see this. You are not using the law lawfully
 

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Doing the will of God is a choice. its nonsensical to say "real" christians will do those things. LOL you just have to read a few posts from the so called christians here to realize thats not the case.
The first will of Hod is to see and believe and receive his gift of salvation

If you have not done this. Well you can work all you want it will amount to no salvation.
 

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This is why Paul goes into the very same subject of preaching after making this statement in Romans 10.

The reason that Paul preaches His Gospel, is because Jesus called him to do it.
Paul is the "Apostle to the gentiles, in the time of the Gentiles".
We are in it, so Paul's Gospel is "THE" Gospel..

Galatians 1:8
8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:

The reason that Paul speaks about Christ being risen from the dead is that Paul's Gospel includes that..
Paul calls this the "good news".
But that is not all of the Gospel.....as you have to have "the preaching of the Cross" along with the teaching of the Resurrection.

1 Peter correlates with this "Good news" by teaching that the believer is born again unto a "lively hope"... and that hope that is LIVE-ly is that God hath raised Jesus from the Dead.
So, Jesus is our LIVING Hope.
The reason that Christianity is TRUE is because Its built on the Resurrection of Jesus.
 

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The first will of Hod is to see and believe and receive his gift of salvation

If you have not done this. Well you can work all you want it will amount to no salvation.
For the millionth time where did I say anyone was saved by works. What is wrong with you!? That's a serious question. Im beginning to think you don't read very well.
 
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For the millionth time where did I say anyone was saved by works. What is wrong with you!? That's a serious question. Im beginning to think you don't read very well.

James teaches that "i'll show YOU.... my faith, by my works".

So, we see that James has Faith, and IS A Christian and this is going to produce good "works" that others will see.

Now it can be that a Chrisitan, isn't doing this.....and is too busy with their Job, Kids, Netflix, arguing about their MaryCult on forums... or too busy making money..so, they have lost focus.
Their mind is on the worldly things, and not the things of God.. so, this is described as "dead faith" by James.
= Not dead Salvaiton, as they are still a Christian, but they are no longer mindful of the things of God.
So, James is talking to some of them, and He is putting pressure on them to "get back to where you need to be with GOD". !!
= "Lets seem some works".
"get back on the Track"
"carry your Cross"
"Get your Mind on the LORD".
 

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For the millionth time where did I say anyone was saved by works
For the millionth time ever time you post
. What is wrong with you!? That's a serious question. Im beginning to think you don't read very well.
Or you do not think very well

All you talk about is works. Then deny you think they are required