Paul's Gospel

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'For I have received of the Lord
that which also I delivered unto you, '
(1Cor. 11:23a)

In 1Cor 11:23 Paul says, "For I received of the Master that which I also delivered unto you", meaning that he delivered to them what he himself had received, and then he quotes directly word for word verbatim from the Gospel account which we know as Luke.​

1 Corinthians 11:23-25 ASV
23 For I received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus in the night in which he was betrayed took bread; [Luke 22:19a]
24 and when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, This is my body, which is for you: this do in remembrance of me. [Luke 22:19]
25 In like manner also the cup, after supper, saying, This cup is the new covenant in my blood: [Luke 22:a-b] this do, as often as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

Luke 22:19-20 ASV
19 And he took bread, [1Cor 11:23b] and when he had given thanks, he brake it, and gave to them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me. [1Cor 11:24]
20 And the cup in like manner after supper, saying, This cup is the new covenant in my blood, [1Cor 11:25a-b] even that which is poured out for you.

This passage from Luke 22:19-20 was given to Paul, according to his own testimony, and he says he also delivered it to the Corinthians: that is surely speaking of a writing, and the writing is the Gospel account we now know as Luke, obviously, from the quote of Luke 22:19-20 found in this epistle to the Corinthians. Paul then says the same again, later in the same epistle.

'Forasmuch as many have taken in hand
to set forth in order
a declaration of those things
which are most surely believed among us,
Even as they delivered them unto us,
which from the beginning were eyewitnesses,
and ministers of the word;
It seemed good to me also,
having had perfect understanding of all things
from the very first, (Gr. anothen = from above)
to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus,
That thou mightest know the certainty of those things,
wherein thou hast been instructed.'
(Luke 1:1-4)

Hello @dak,

There should be no surprise that the words that Paul spoke, should be the words that Luke also records: For Luke records the eyewitness accounts of what the Lord Himself did and said in His gospel, and also records faithfully the words and works that comprise, 'The Acts of The Apostles'.

He also accompanied Paul on some of his journeys, known as 'The Beloved Physician'. Even while Paul was in prison, prior to his martyrdom: being mentioned in three of the letters written by Paul from prison (Col. 4:14; 2 Tim. 4:11 Philemon 1:24 ). During the record of the Acts of the Apostles, penned by Luke, he can be found not by name, but in the sections where the word 'we', makes his presence visible, starting in Acts 16:10. (see also, 16:10-17; 20: 5-15; 21:1-18; 27:1-28:16).

But, we must be careful not to read into what is written what is not actually there.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

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'And He (the risen Lord) said unto them (the twelve),
These are the words which I spake unto you,
while I was yet with you,
that all things must be fulfilled,
which were written -
.. in the law of Moses,
.... and in the prophets,
...... and in the psalms,
........ concerning Me.
Then opened He their understanding,
that they might understand the scriptures,'
(Luke 24:44-45)

Praise God!

 

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'Receiving the end of your faith,
even the salvation of your souls.
.. Of which salvation
.... the prophets have enquired and searched diligently,
...... who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
........ Searching what, or what manner of time
.......... the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify,
............ when it testified beforehand
.............. the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
Unto whom it was revealed,
.. that not unto themselves, but unto us
.... they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you
...... by them that have preached the gospel unto you
........ with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven;
.......... which things the angels desire to look into.'
(1Pe 1:9-12)

Praise God!

 

[dak]

'For I have received of the Lord
that which also I delivered unto you, '
(1Cor. 11:23a)

'Forasmuch as many have taken in hand
to set forth in order
a declaration of those things
which are most surely believed among us,
Even as they delivered them unto us,
which from the beginning were eyewitnesses,
and ministers of the word;
It seemed good to me also,
having had perfect understanding of all things
from the very first, (Gr. anothen = from above)
to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus,
That thou mightest know the certainty of those things,
wherein thou hast been instructed.'
(Luke 1:1-4)

Hello @dak,

There should be no surprise that the words that Paul spoke, should be the words that Luke also records: For Luke records the eyewitness accounts of what the Lord Himself did and said in His gospel, and also records faithfully the words and works that comprise, 'The Acts of The Apostles'.

He also accompanied Paul on some of his journeys, known as 'The Beloved Physician'. Even while Paul was in prison, prior to his martyrdom: being mentioned in three of the letters written by Paul from prison (Col. 4:14; 2 Tim. 4:11 Philemon 1:24 ). During the record of the Acts of the Apostles, penned by Luke, he can be found not by name, but in the sections where the word 'we', makes his presence visible, starting in Acts 16:10. (see also, 16:10-17; 20: 5-15; 21:1-18; 27:1-28:16).

But, we must be careful not to read into what is written what is not actually there.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

Hi complete. :)

No doubt you know where "Luke" appears in the book of Acts: question is, where did he come from? why are we given no city he was from, or record of his having become a believer, etc., etc.? Therefore I suggest that someone else here may be reading into what is written what is not actually there.

Acts 16:6-10 ASV
6 And they went through the region of Phrygia and Galatia, having been forbidden of the Holy Spirit to speak the word in Asia;
7 and when they were come over against Mysia, they assayed to go into Bithynia; and the Spirit of Jesus suffered them not;
8 and passing by Mysia, they came down to Troas.
9 And a vision appeared to Paul in the night: There was a man of Macedonia standing, beseeching him, and saying, Come over into Macedonia, and help us.
10 And when he had seen the vision, straightway we sought to go forth into Macedonia, concluding that God had called us to preach the gospel to them.

There is the first "we", (Acts 16:10), which scholars say is Luke. Who is the man from the vision in Acts 16:9?
By Paul's own testimony it sure appears to be Titus:

2 Corinthians 2:12-13 ASV
12 Now when I came to Troas for the gospel of Christ, and when a door was opened unto me in the Lord,
13 I had no relief for my spirit, because I found not Titus my brother: but taking my leave of them, I went forth into Macedonia.

Really?! Is this possible? What else does Paul say about Titus?

2 Corinthians 7:5-7 ASV
5 For even when we were come into Macedonia our flesh had no relief, but we were afflicted on every side; without were fightings, within were fears.
6 Nevertheless he that comforteth the lowly, even God, comforted us by the coming [parousia] of Titus;
7 and not by his coming [parousia] only, but also by the comfort wherewith he was comforted in you, while he told us your longing, your mourning, your zeal for me; so that I rejoiced yet more.

2 Corinthians 7:13-15 ASV
13 Therefore we have been comforted: and in our comfort we joyed the more exceedingly for the joy of Titus, because his spirit hath been refreshed by you all.
14 For if in anything I have gloried to him on your behalf, I was not put to shame; but as we spake all things to you in truth, so our glorying also which I made before Titus was found to be truth.
15 And his affection is more abundantly toward you, while he remembereth the obedience of you all, how with fear and trembling ye received him.

2 Corinthians 8:1-6 ASV
1 Moreover, brethren, we make known to you the grace of God which hath been given in the churches of Macedonia;
2 how that in much proof of affliction the abundance of their joy and their deep poverty abounded unto the riches of their liberality.
3 For according to their power, I bear witness, yea and beyond their power, they gave of their own accord,
4 beseeching us with much entreaty in regard of this grace and the fellowship in the ministering to the saints:
5 and this, not as we had hoped, but first they gave their own selves to the Lord, and to us through the will of God.
6 Insomuch that we exhorted Titus, that as he had made a beginning before, so he would also complete in you this grace also.

2 Corinthians 8:16-19 ASV
16 But thanks be to God, who putteth the same earnest care for you into the heart of Titus.
17 For he accepted indeed our exhortation; but being himself very earnest, he went forth unto you of his own accord.
18 And we have sent together with him the brother whose praise in the gospel is spread through all the churches;
19 and not only so, but who was also appointed by the churches to travel with us in the matter of this grace, which is ministered by us to the glory of the Lord, and to show our readiness:

2 Corinthians 8:23 ASV
23 Whether any inquire about Titus, he is my partner and my fellow-worker to you-ward; or our brethren, they are the messengers [apostles] of the churches, they are the glory of Christ.

Titus 1:4 ASV
4 to Titus, my true child after a common faith: Grace and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Saviour.

Titus appears to be the man of Macedon which Paul saw in the vision of Acts 16:9. Then, apparently, Paul actually found him when he went into Macedon. It is therefore possible that the "we" may be speaking of Titus, (Paul's own spiritual fruit Titus 1:4), but it is also possible that it speaks of Timothy, (from the opening of the passage in Acts 16), or it is also possible that it speaks of Luke the Physician, but even at that, Luke may not even be a human being, but possibly rather a Messenger. Your favorite scholars and translator-interpreters have actually put more of their own minds into the scripture than I have: the main difference in reasoning is that I no longer have my former old man carnal mind anymore.

Loukios the White, the Kurenaios, Acts 13:1
Shimeon the Black, (Symeon called Nijer) - Acts 13:1
Sopater of Fiery-Red, (Pyrrhus), a Beroean - Acts 20:4
Philippos, (Horse-Lover), the herald of the good news, one of the seven - Acts 21:8

Of the main four it is Raphael who is the Physician of El.

 

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Subject Heading:- 'Paul's Gospel',

Hi complete. :)

No doubt you know where "Luke" appears in the book of Acts: question is, where did he come from? why are we given no city he was from, or record of his having become a believer, etc., etc.? Therefore I suggest that someone else here may be reading into what is written what is not actually there.

Acts 16:6-10 ASV
6 And they went through the region of Phrygia and Galatia, having been forbidden of the Holy Spirit to speak the word in Asia;
7 and when they were come over against Mysia, they assayed to go into Bithynia; and the Spirit of Jesus suffered them not;
8 and passing by Mysia, they came down to Troas.
9 And a vision appeared to Paul in the night: There was a man of Macedonia standing, beseeching him, and saying, Come over into Macedonia, and help us.
10 And when he had seen the vision, straightway we sought to go forth into Macedonia, concluding that God had called us to preach the gospel to them.

There is the first "we", (Acts 16:10), which scholars say is Luke. Who is the man from the vision in Acts 16:9?
By Paul's own testimony it sure appears to be Titus:

2 Corinthians 2:12-13 ASV
12 Now when I came to Troas for the gospel of Christ, and when a door was opened unto me in the Lord,
13 I had no relief for my spirit, because I found not Titus my brother: but taking my leave of them, I went forth into Macedonia.

Really?! Is this possible? What else does Paul say about Titus?

2 Corinthians 7:5-7 ASV
5 For even when we were come into Macedonia our flesh had no relief, but we were afflicted on every side; without were fightings, within were fears.
6 Nevertheless he that comforteth the lowly, even God, comforted us by the coming [parousia] of Titus;
7 and not by his coming [parousia] only, but also by the comfort wherewith he was comforted in you, while he told us your longing, your mourning, your zeal for me; so that I rejoiced yet more.

2 Corinthians 7:13-15 ASV
13 Therefore we have been comforted: and in our comfort we joyed the more exceedingly for the joy of Titus, because his spirit hath been refreshed by you all.
14 For if in anything I have gloried to him on your behalf, I was not put to shame; but as we spake all things to you in truth, so our glorying also which I made before Titus was found to be truth.
15 And his affection is more abundantly toward you, while he remembereth the obedience of you all, how with fear and trembling ye received him.

2 Corinthians 8:1-6 ASV
1 Moreover, brethren, we make known to you the grace of God which hath been given in the churches of Macedonia;
2 how that in much proof of affliction the abundance of their joy and their deep poverty abounded unto the riches of their liberality.
3 For according to their power, I bear witness, yea and beyond their power, they gave of their own accord,
4 beseeching us with much entreaty in regard of this grace and the fellowship in the ministering to the saints:
5 and this, not as we had hoped, but first they gave their own selves to the Lord, and to us through the will of God.
6 Insomuch that we exhorted Titus, that as he had made a beginning before, so he would also complete in you this grace also.

2 Corinthians 8:16-19 ASV
16 But thanks be to God, who putteth the same earnest care for you into the heart of Titus.
17 For he accepted indeed our exhortation; but being himself very earnest, he went forth unto you of his own accord.
18 And we have sent together with him the brother whose praise in the gospel is spread through all the churches;
19 and not only so, but who was also appointed by the churches to travel with us in the matter of this grace, which is ministered by us to the glory of the Lord, and to show our readiness:

2 Corinthians 8:23 ASV
23 Whether any inquire about Titus, he is my partner and my fellow-worker to you-ward; or our brethren, they are the messengers [apostles] of the churches, they are the glory of Christ.

Titus 1:4 ASV
4 to Titus, my true child after a common faith: Grace and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Saviour.

Titus appears to be the man of Macedon which Paul saw in the vision of Acts 16:9. Then, apparently, Paul actually found him when he went into Macedon. It is therefore possible that the "we" may be speaking of Titus, (Paul's own spiritual fruit Titus 1:4), but it is also possible that it speaks of Timothy, (from the opening of the passage in Acts 16), or it is also possible that it speaks of Luke the Physician, but even at that, Luke may not even be a human being, but possibly rather a Messenger. Your favorite scholars and translator-interpreters have actually put more of their own minds into the scripture than I have: the main difference in reasoning is that I no longer have my former old man carnal mind anymore.

Loukios the White, the Kurenaios, Acts 13:1
Shimeon the Black, (Symeon called Nijer) - Acts 13:1
Sopater of Fiery-Red, (Pyrrhus), a Beroean - Acts 20:4
Philippos, (Horse-Lover), the herald of the good news, one of the seven - Acts 21:8

Of the main four it is Raphael who is the Physician of El.

'When Christ, Who is our life, shall appear,
then shall ye also appear with Him in glory.'
(Col 3:4)

Hello @dak,

Thank you for letting me see your findings. I tend to stick closely to what is written, for fear of saying anything that is not in accord with the record we have been given. Titus I love because we share the same hope, and look for the appearing of Christ in glory, when we too will appear with Him there.

Within the love of Christ our Saviour,
our Lord and Head.
Chris

 

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Therefore it is imperative that one understands where Paul, (Shaul at that point), did indeed receive what he had also delivered to his congregations, obviously including also the Galatians according to what he writes to them in Gal 3:1, (as will be shown below). Where did Paul receive his Gospel? He received it immediately upon his initial conversion, right after the appearance of the Master to him near Damascus, and it was given to him by Hananyah, (Ananias), when Hananyah was commanded by the Master to seek out Shaul, and go lay the Power upon him so that he might receive sight.

All one needs to be able to understand this is to understand that the word hand in Hebrew-Biblical thought represents power. Hananyah did not necessarily lay his own physical hands on Paul, and the Greek text does not say that, it rather says he laid the hands, not his hands, upon Shaul, (Acts 9:12, Acts 9:17). So Hananyah laid the Power upon Shaul, and the Power is the Word, and therefore surely the Testimony of the Master in the Gospel accounts in this case: for Shaul already knew the rest of the scripture found in the Hebrew scriptures, but was blind to what they truly teach and preach, and it is the Testimony of the Master which expounds all things of the Torah, Prophets, and Writings in the Hebrew scriptures.

Enjoyed reading this dak, thanks

Hand is an interesting study! You have Christ crucified by wicked hands and you have "For he is at my right hand, that I should not be moved" Acts 2:25

As you say the right hand symbolizes power, strength, and victory (Psalm 16:11; 20:6; 63:8). Yahweh stood ready to support and sustain, ultimately delivering from the grip of death (v 33). Now, as our High Priest and advocate, the Lord Jesus sits at Yahweh’s right hand (v 33; Psalm 110:1) the position of authority guiding the course of nations to fulfill God’s purpose. In the end, the faithful and redeemed Bride will also stand at the right hand of the Bridegroom (Psalm 45:9).

In the case of Ananias and his laying on of hand ...this follows the apostolic practice of granting a privilege or bestowing authority (Acts 5:12; 6:6; 8:17, etc.). However, in this instance, the purpose was not to impart the Holy Spirit, but rather to perform a specific miracle the restoration of Saul’s sight (verse 12).

Dak, imagine him hearing those words "brother saul" for the first time? And now he was aligned with the family of God (Heb 2:13),
and one who performs the will of the Father (Mat 13:30).

I wrote two studies on Sauls conversion last year. Good reminder!

 

[dak]

Enjoyed reading this dak, thanks

Hand is an interesting study! You have Christ crucified by wicked hands and you have "For he is at my right hand, that I should not be moved" Acts 2:25

As you say the right hand symbolizes power, strength, and victory (Psalm 16:11; 20:6; 63:8). Yahweh stood ready to support and sustain, ultimately delivering from the grip of death (v 33). Now, as our High Priest and advocate, the Lord Jesus sits at Yahweh’s right hand (v 33; Psalm 110:1) the position of authority guiding the course of nations to fulfill God’s purpose. In the end, the faithful and redeemed Bride will also stand at the right hand of the Bridegroom (Psalm 45:9).

In the case of Ananias and his laying on of hand ...this follows the apostolic practice of granting a privilege or bestowing authority (Acts 5:12; 6:6; 8:17, etc.). However, in this instance, the purpose was not to impart the Holy Spirit, but rather to perform a specific miracle the restoration of Saul’s sight (verse 12).

Dak, imagine him hearing those words "brother saul" for the first time? And now he was aligned with the family of God (Heb 2:13),
and one who performs the will of the Father (Mat 13:30).

I wrote two studies on Sauls conversion last year. Good reminder!

With the one exception of your comment on "the bride"...

 

[Hiddenthings]

With the one exception of your comment on "the bride"...

You don't believe there will be a bride? you don't believe she will stand at his right hand?

Psalm 45:9 is a beautiful prophecy!

 

[dak]

You don't believe there will be a bride? you don't believe she will stand at his right hand?

Psalm 45:9 is a beautiful prophecy!

Why do you always jump to conclusions? Please show me where I said that I do not believe their will be a bride or even implied that I believe that. There is already a bride, and she is the daughter of our mother(covenant). Therefore because of what has been taught in the scripture I do not agree with your interpretation. I am not denying the scripture but rather your understanding of that topic. Moreover the Gospel of Paul says this:

Luke 12:35-53 ASV
35 Let your loins be girded about, and your lamps burning;
36 and be ye yourselves like unto men looking for their lord, when he shall return from the marriage feast; that, when he cometh and knocketh, [Rev 3:20a] they may straightway open unto him.
37 Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them sit down to meat, and shall come and serve them.
38 And if he shall come in the second watch, and if in the third, and find them so, blessed are those servants.
39 But know this, that if the master of the house had known in what hour the thief was coming, he would have watched, and not have left his house to be broken through.
40 Be ye also ready: for in an hour that ye think not the Son of man cometh.
41 And Peter said, Lord, speakest thou this parable unto us, or even unto all?
42 And the Lord said, Who then is the faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall set over his household, to give them their portion of food in due season?
43 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
44 Of a truth I say unto you, that he will set him over all that he hath.
45 But if that servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and the maidservants, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken;
46 the lord of that servant shall come in a day when he expecteth not, and in an hour when he knoweth not, and shall cut him asunder, and appoint his portion with the unfaithful.
47 And that servant, who knew his lord's will, and made not ready, nor did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes;
48 but he that knew not, and did things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. And to whomsoever much is given, of him shall much be required: and to whom they commit much, of him will they ask the more.
49 I came to cast fire upon the earth; and what do I desire, if it is already kindled?
50 But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I straitened till it be accomplished!
51 Think ye that I am come to give peace in the earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:
52 for there shall be from henceforth five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three.
53 They shall be divided, father against son, and son against father; mother against daughter, and daughter against her mother; mother in law against her daughter in law, and daughter in law against her mother in law.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Why do you always jump to conclusions?

You paste slabs of text with little explanation.

Please show me where I said that I do not believe their will be a bride or even implied that I believe that.

As I said I am left guessing...you said "With the one exception of your comment on "the bride""

There is already a bride,

Correct

and she is the daughter of our mother(covenant).

Okay

Therefore because of what has been taught in the scripture I do not agree with your interpretation.

Ah what interpretation? Be more specific dak!

I am not denying the scripture but rather your understanding of that topic. Moreover the Gospel of Paul says this:

Luke 12:35-53 ASV
35 Let your loins be girded about, and your lamps burning;
36 and be ye yourselves like unto men looking for their lord, when he shall return from the marriage feast; that, when he cometh and knocketh, [Rev 3:20a] they may straightway open unto him.
37 Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them sit down to meat, and shall come and serve them.
38 And if he shall come in the second watch, and if in the third, and find them so, blessed are those servants.
39 But know this, that if the master of the house had known in what hour the thief was coming, he would have watched, and not have left his house to be broken through.
40 Be ye also ready: for in an hour that ye think not the Son of man cometh.
41 And Peter said, Lord, speakest thou this parable unto us, or even unto all?
42 And the Lord said, Who then is the faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall set over his household, to give them their portion of food in due season?
43 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
44 Of a truth I say unto you, that he will set him over all that he hath.
45 But if that servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and the maidservants, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken;
46 the lord of that servant shall come in a day when he expecteth not, and in an hour when he knoweth not, and shall cut him asunder, and appoint his portion with the unfaithful.
47 And that servant, who knew his lord's will, and made not ready, nor did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes;
48 but he that knew not, and did things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. And to whomsoever much is given, of him shall much be required: and to whom they commit much, of him will they ask the more.
49 I came to cast fire upon the earth; and what do I desire, if it is already kindled?
50 But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I straitened till it be accomplished!
51 Think ye that I am come to give peace in the earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:
52 for there shall be from henceforth five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three.
53 They shall be divided, father against son, and son against father; mother against daughter, and daughter against her mother; mother in law against her daughter in law, and daughter in law against her mother in law.

Can you see how vague this is? you have said I have said something wrong but failed to state what, then paste Luke 12 to show I'm wrong.

Do tell!

 

[Hiddenthings]

@dak

This is what I said...In the end, the faithful and redeemed Bride will also stand at the right hand of the Bridegroom (Psalm 45:9).

The right hand represents a place of honor and power (Psalm 110:1; Acts 2:34; 1 Kings 2:19), as well as a position of favor and acceptance, as seen when “He shall set the sheep on His right hand... Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom” (Matthew 25:33–34).

 

[dak]

You paste slabs of text with little explanation.

As I said I am left guessing...you said "With the one exception of your comment on "the bride""

Correct

Okay

Ah what interpretation? Be more specific dak!

Can you see how vague this is? you have said I have said something wrong but failed to state what, then paste Luke 12 to show I'm wrong.

Do tell!

@dak

This is what I said...In the end, the faithful and redeemed Bride will also stand at the right hand of the Bridegroom (Psalm 45:9).

The right hand represents a place of honor and power (Psalm 110:1; Acts 2:34; 1 Kings 2:19), as well as a position of favor and acceptance, as seen when “He shall set the sheep on His right hand... Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom” (Matthew 25:33–34).

For example, I said, "she is the daughter of our mother(covenant)", and yet this does not clue you in to what I speak of from the scripture? Who is our mother(covenant)?

Galatians 22-27 KJV
22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband [Isa 54:1].

These two covenants are the same Torah: but those who understand it according to the flesh and the carnal, natural, physical mindset are in bondage. And that is Yerushalem of below, which is likened to Hagar the Egyptian, for Egypt represents the flesh, (O Egypt "Great of flesh!", Eze 16:26), and spiritually also called Sodom in Rev 11:8. The Torah is spiritual, Rom 7:14a, and those who view its Living Oracles with the natural eyes of the natural man therefore cannot be subject to it and therefore cannot please Elohim, (Rom 8:4-8).

Moreover in the above passage Paul solidifies the understanding by the quote from Isaiah 54:1, if indeed one is wise enough to go back, and look, and study at least the immediate context: for therein Yerushalem of above is likened to the Mishkan-Tabernacle of the wilderness.

Isaiah 54:1-3 KIJV
1 Sing, O barren, thou that didst not bear; break forth into singing, and cry aloud, thou that didst not travail with child: for more are the children of the desolate than the children of the married wife, saith the LORD. [Gal 4:27]
2 Enlarge the place of thy tent, and let them stretch forth the curtains of thine habitations: spare not, lengthen thy cords, and strengthen thy stakes;
3 For thou shalt break forth on the right hand and on the left; and thy seed shall inherit the Gentiles, and make the desolate cities to be inhabited.

The tent, the curtains, the cords, the stakes: all pertaining to the desert Tabernacle of the Torah. Therefore if Yerushalem of above is out mother(covenant) then who is her daughter if not the new-renewed covenant?

John 3:27-29 KJV
27 John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven.
28 Ye yourselves bear me witness, that I said, I am not the Christ, but that I am sent before him.
29 He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled.

1) The Testimony of the Meshiah is not his own but was given him from the heavens, (John 3:27).
2) The Meshiah already has the bride, and Yohanne is the friend of the Groom, and he stood and heard the voice of the Groom, and rejoiced at the voice of the Groom, and this his joy he says was fulfilled in the above passage.

Herein therefore is the Bride:

Zechariah 9:9 KJV
9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.

Matthew 21:1-5 KJV
1 And when they drew nigh unto Jerusalem, and were come to Bethphage, unto the mount of Olives, then sent Jesus two disciples,
2 Saying unto them, Go into the village over against you, and straightway ye shall find an ass tied, and a colt with her: loose them, and bring them unto me.
3 And if any man say ought unto you, ye shall say, The Lord hath need of them; and straightway he will send them.
4 All this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying,
5 Tell ye the daughter of Sion, Behold, thy King cometh unto thee, meek, and sitting upon an ass, and a colt the foal of an ass. [Zec 9:9]

The Meshiah already had the Bride when he entered into Yerushalem for the final time in his earthly ministry. The Bride is the new-renewed covenant and all its teachings, and her name is the Daughter of Zion / the Daughter of Yerushalem, for her mother is our mother(covenant), Yerushalem of above, (Gal 4:22-26).

Revelation 21:1-5 KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. [2Cor 5:17]
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. [2Cor 5:17] And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

2 Corinthians 5:17 KJV
17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; [Rev 21:4] behold, all things are become new [Rev 21:5].

I need not to add much of my own commentary when posting scripture that speaks for itself.

 

[Hiddenthings]

I need not to add much of my own commentary when posting scripture that speaks for itself.

So you point to the great allegory of those born from above, not below, and then support it with references to Isaiah 54, Zechariah 9, and Revelation 21, culminating in the vision of the New Jerusalem descending from above, as Christ returns, bringing with him the hope of all who truly understand the true Gospel of God, which serves as their anchor (behind the curtain).

And all this for what? What is your point dak - spit it out man! It is the glory of kings to search out a matter, so show a little honour and speak it out!

 

[dak]

So you point to the great allegory of those born from above, not below, and then support it with references to Isaiah 54, Zechariah 9, and Revelation 21, culminating in the vision of the New Jerusalem descending from above, as Christ returns, bringing with him the hope of all who truly understand the true Gospel of God, which serves as their anchor (behind the curtain).

And all this for what? What is your point dak - spit it out man! It is the glory of kings to search out a matter, so show a little honour and speak it out!

It was you who asked me why I do not agree with you on who the Bride is: now I have shown you by the scripture and you cannot see it from the scripture. What else can I say? However I will repeat one scripture statement, (this time in the KJV).

Luke 12:35-36 KJV
35 Let your loins be girded about, and your lights burning;
36 And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately.

MEN who await their Master's RETURN from the WEDDING.

You can believe what you will, but the above makes me a friend of the Groom: not his bride.
When common sense goes out the window a paradigm king has taken over the mind.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Luke 12:35-36 KJV
35 Let your loins be girded about, and your lights burning;
36 And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately.

MEN who await their Master's RETURN from the WEDDING.

You can believe what you will, but the above makes me a friend of the Groom: not his bride.
When common sense goes out the window a paradigm king has taken over the mind.

Ah..right, now I get what you're driving at.

Do you think the Lord is there as the Bridegroom in verse 36?

The Bride of Christ will also be his friends, those who have followed his commands. I assume you see yourself as one of the five wise virgins who kept their lamps filled with oil? But maybe you don't?

I'm interested in how you interpret verse 36.

Also, I'm not so interested in believing what I will - I am teachable dak and always open to hear another's labors in the Word.

 

[dak]

Ah..right, now I get what you're driving at.

Do you think the Lord is there as the Bridegroom in verse 36?

It says Master/Lord, how else would I take it?

The Bride of Christ will also be his friends, those who have followed his commands.

The bride of Meshiah will be like men waiting for their Master to return from his wedding?

I assume you see yourself as one of the five wise virgins who kept their lamps filled with oil? But maybe you don't?

That is a body temple analogy which was already touched on in Luke 12:51-53, quoted previously above, and five in one house divided or parted makes ten, and three against two and two against three are ten: the kingdom of Elohim is within you, (Luke 17:20-21).

...father against son, and son against father: mother against daughter, and daughter against her mother: mother in law against her daughter in law, and daughter in law against her mother in law...

Moreover, a war in your heavens:

Your heavenly Father -vs- "your father the devil"
Your heavenly mother Yerushalem of above -vs- "your mother of harlots"
Your daughter of Zion-Yerushalem -vs- "your daughter of Babylon"
The Son of Elohim within you -vs- "your son of perdition"
Your new man in Meshiah -vs- your "old man" nature of the natural mind.

 

[Hiddenthings]

The bride of Meshiah will be like men waiting for their Master to return from his wedding?

And the Marriage is to whom in your view? If it is not you?

 

[Hiddenthings]

@dak

The relationship between Christ and the Ecclesia (the Church) is often portrayed in Scripture as a marriage (2 Corinthians 11:2; Ephesians 5:29–33).

2 Corinthians 11:2 I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy. I promised you to one husband, to Christ, so that I might present you as a pure virgin to him.

Ephesians 5:29–33 No one ever hates his own body but feeds and cares for it, just as Christ does the church, because we are members of his body. “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.” This is a profound mystery, but I am talking about Christ and the church. However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.

For he who sanctifies and those who are sanctified all have one source. That is why he (Jesus) is not ashamed to call them brothers, saying, “I will tell of your name (God's Name) to my brothers; in the midst of the congregation, I will sing your praise.” Hebrews 2:11-12

In Revelation 19 Papal Rome has just been symbolized as an unfaithful prostitute, it’s fitting that the ecclesia is now depicted as a pure bride the wife of the Lamb celebrating a joyful union.

At this time, Christ and the ecclesia will be fully united as one, just as Jesus prayed in John 17:21. This “marriage of the Lamb” fulfills the symbolic pattern set in Eden, when Adam was put into a deep sleep so that a bride (Eve) could be formed from his own body (Genesis 2:23–24). Eve was called “woman” because she was taken out of man.

In the same way, the Bride of Christ is formed from him, his people and will find its full completion in their glorious union with him. Just as the ecclesia is called to be one with Christ now, it will be fully one with him in the age to come.

“And his wife has made herself ready”

It is the responsibility of the Bride to prepare herself to be pleasing to her Groom. She can only do this by obeying the guidance he has given her (Ephesians 5:25–26). The beauty of her character is reflected in the imagery of the wedding in Psalm 45, where she is described as “all glorious within” (verse 13), showing that her inner qualities, as well as her outward conduct, are pleasing to her Groom.

The noble traits of the Bride are also described in Proverbs 31:10–21, where she is portrayed as a virtuous woman, diligent, wise, and worthy of praise.

 

[Muna]

@dak

The relationship between Christ and the Ecclesia (the Church) is often portrayed in Scripture as a marriage (2 Corinthians 11:2; Ephesians 5:29–33).

2 Corinthians 11:2 I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy. I promised you to one husband, to Christ, so that I might present you as a pure virgin to him.

Ephesians 5:29–33 No one ever hates his own body but feeds and cares for it, just as Christ does the church, because we are members of his body. “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.” This is a profound mystery, but I am talking about Christ and the church. However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.

For he who sanctifies and those who are sanctified all have one source. That is why he (Jesus) is not ashamed to call them brothers, saying, “I will tell of your name (God's Name) to my brothers; in the midst of the congregation, I will sing your praise.” Hebrews 2:11-12

In Revelation 19 Papal Rome has just been symbolized as an unfaithful prostitute, it’s fitting that the ecclesia is now depicted as a pure bride the wife of the Lamb celebrating a joyful union.

At this time, Christ and the ecclesia will be fully united as one, just as Jesus prayed in John 17:21. This “marriage of the Lamb” fulfills the symbolic pattern set in Eden, when Adam was put into a deep sleep so that a bride (Eve) could be formed from his own body (Genesis 2:23–24). Eve was called “woman” because she was taken out of man.

In the same way, the Bride of Christ is formed from him, his people and will find its full completion in their glorious union with him. Just as the ecclesia is called to be one with Christ now, it will be fully one with him in the age to come.

“And his wife has made herself ready”

It is the responsibility of the Bride to prepare herself to be pleasing to her Groom. She can only do this by obeying the guidance he has given her (Ephesians 5:25–26). The beauty of her character is reflected in the imagery of the wedding in Psalm 45, where she is described as “all glorious within” (verse 13), showing that her inner qualities, as well as her outward conduct, are pleasing to her Groom.

The noble traits of the Bride are also described in Proverbs 31:10–21, where she is portrayed as a virtuous woman, diligent, wise, and worthy of praise.

I agree with alot of this, you can see various pieces speaking of the glory of God within by Christ in her in various ways. You added a few. Here also we can catch a few of them

Rev 21:9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.

Rev 21:10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

Rev 21:11 Having the glory of God (Col 1:2) and her light was like unto (1John 2:8) a stone most precious (1Peter 2:7) even like a jasper stone (Rev 4:3), clear as crystal;

Even as it says,

Proverbs 7:8 A gift is as a precious stone in the eyes of him that "hath it" and here it says,

Rev 21:11 "Having" the glory of God (Col 1:2) and her light was like unto (1John 2:8) a stone most precious

And we know Jesus Christ is the precious stone

1 Peter 2:7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner

 

[dak]

2 Corinthians 11:2 I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy. I promised you to one husband, to Christ, so that I might present you as a pure virgin to him.

Debatable.

2 Corinthians 11:2 N/A-W/H
2 ζηλω γαρ υμας θεου ζηλω ηρμοσαμην γαρ υμας ενι ανδρι παρθενον αγνην παραστησαι τω χριστω

The primary meaning of ἁρμόζω (ηρμοσαμην in the above) is to join, to fit together.

Thayer
ἁρμόζω, Attic ἁρμόττω: 1 aorist middle ἡρμοσάμην; (ἁρμός, which see);
1. to join, to fit together; so in Homer of carpenters, fastening together beams and planks to build houses, ships, etc.

The parsing for ηρμοσαμην is thus: I-was-JOIN-ed, (I joined, in this context)

Kata Biblon Wiki Lexicon - ἁρμόζω - to join (v.)

Publicly editable dictionary of the Greek New Testament and Septuagint • αρμοζω • hARMOZW • harmozō

lexicon.katabiblon.com

Moreover ανδρι (a form of ανηρ) also primarily means a man, but can also mean a husband. Moreover the text does not say "to one man", so to is merely inserted to help the reader understand the interpretation of the translator.

It may just as well be read in the following manner:

2 Corinthians 11:2 N/A-W/H
2 ζηλω γαρ υμας θεου ζηλω ηρμοσαμην γαρ υμας ενι ανδρι παρθενον αγνην παραστησαι τω χριστω
2 For I am zealous for you with an Elohim zeal: for I joined you as one man, a pure virgin, to commend unto Meshiah.

This is closer to what is actually in the text. One must be extremely diligent concerning the writings of Paul, (and he is surely not going to contradict his own Gospel account, Luke), for Paul is like the Road Runner in a way: for he will speed along right up to the edge of a precipice and suddenly stop on a dime, going no further, leading you right up to the edge and then stopping, and if the reader is merely a casual reader he or she will likely run right on by and end up like Wile E. Coyote at the bottom of a canyon, (or in the ditch).

Ephesians 5:29–33 No one ever hates his own body but feeds and cares for it, just as Christ does the church, because we are members of his body. “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.” This is a profound mystery, but I am talking about Christ and the church. However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.

Yes, there is that union with and in Meshiah, but not in the sense of a bride, rather, in the sense of being members of his body. The comparison to the Genesis passage is to support the similar analogy of we being members of his body. When is the last time you heard of a man marrying his body?

For he who sanctifies and those who are sanctified all have one source. That is why he (Jesus) is not ashamed to call them brothers, saying, “I will tell of your name (God's Name) to my brothers; in the midst of the congregation, I will sing your praise.” Hebrews 2:11-12

Yes, brethren as in the sense of a scroll of the Word where each panel is sewn and stitched together like brethren whose hearts are stitched together as one, (like David and Yonathan). The Torah scroll itself is surely personified in certain Psalms, (ex. Psa 40), and in that sense the brethren also pertain to the body of the Son, the Word of Elohim.

In Revelation 19 Papal Rome has just been symbolized as an unfaithful prostitute, it’s fitting that the ecclesia is now depicted as a pure bride the wife of the Lamb celebrating a joyful union.

Papal Rome? Where is that written?

At this time, Christ and the ecclesia will be fully united as one, just as Jesus prayed in John 17:21. This “marriage of the Lamb” fulfills the symbolic pattern set in Eden, when Adam was put into a deep sleep so that a bride (Eve) could be formed from his own body (Genesis 2:23–24). Eve was called “woman” because she was taken out of man.

In the same way, the Bride of Christ is formed from him, his people and will find its full completion in their glorious union with him. Just as the ecclesia is called to be one with Christ now, it will be fully one with him in the age to come.

“And his wife has made herself ready”

It is the responsibility of the Bride to prepare herself to be pleasing to her Groom. She can only do this by obeying the guidance he has given her (Ephesians 5:25–26). The beauty of her character is reflected in the imagery of the wedding in Psalm 45, where she is described as “all glorious within” (verse 13), showing that her inner qualities, as well as her outward conduct, are pleasing to her Groom.

The noble traits of the Bride are also described in Proverbs 31:10–21, where she is portrayed as a virtuous woman, diligent, wise, and worthy of praise.

I appreciate your interpretation but have already shown why I disagree.