how will this come about except that it be realised and accepted that as children of GOD and men of goodwill of all religions and none all will be saved - how will what may seem impossible be made possible by God is the great mystery and guarantee by God - all will be born again as good Christians imho - twinc
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its about God's Peace, Peace with God in His Presence. its not about world peace, peace between nations, man's peace religious peace, what you or anyone else may think peace ought to be, so on and so forth.
so if you don't acknowledge the Son of God, the Lord Jesus Christ accordingly you will not have Peace with God now, or when the time comes, because you never had peace with God in the first place. what delusional thinking would make you think that you, or anyone else should entitled otherwise?
the fulfillment of God's Word according to His satisfaction is the only thing entitled, therefore how is it what you think is at peace with that, or more importantly how is it that you would think God should be at peace with what you think. you're not in charge, remember?
so if you don't acknowledge the Son of God, the Lord Jesus Christ accordingly you will not have Peace with God now, or when the time comes, because you never had peace with God in the first place. what delusional thinking would make you think that you, or anyone else should entitled otherwise?
the fulfillment of God's Word according to His satisfaction is the only thing entitled, therefore how is it what you think is at peace with that, or more importantly how is it that you would think God should be at peace with what you think. you're not in charge, remember?
Indeed, and while many people so charged may deny it, too many in my experience act as if they are. God can put a man in charge of something, but when it comes to the overall plan of God, your expression for any man of flesh, however anointed he may be, is going to hold true, as I see it.
of course in your interpretation, not God's interpretation via the Church or the Bible, you have missed it that it says men of goodwill viz peace on earth to men of goodwill or that I clearly stated what seems impossible will be made possible by God - twinc
nope, not my interpretation, God's intent, completely obvious through out the Bible. Jesus is the way that men may receive and be received into Peace with God, and in the case of Jesus Christ it's about peace with God in His Peace He offers through His Word, His Beloved Son. there is no other true peace, human nature can't sustain it, or retain it. whether it be inner peace, relational peace, or international peace. man is full of his own desire, that is insatiable no matter the attempts to appease it.
and the only will that is good is God's will, because as Jesus says, only God is good. you speak in accordance to what is good in your own judgement. but only God is good, therefore, only His Judgement is good for His creation, no exceptions.
well for us, it seems King David is a excellent example of how it works, or should work. King David treated the throne he sat on as though he was just keeping it warm for the true King of God's People. he didn't treat it as his own throne or position.
he knew he wasn't to sit on it unless his Lord would have him to, and he wouldn't remain on it unless his Lord saw fit to keep him there.
exactly as I have suspected all along - no such thing as born again, new creation, sinless - twinc
Twinc, are you contradicting the scripture? Does the scripture need to say something verbatim for it be acceptable?
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Another thought on this subject is the fact that the earth will never be destroyed by mankind. Ecc 1:4. If so, what is God's purpose for the earth. Could it be to restore his original purpose of having faithful man live in a Paradise earth? When God created the earth and mankind He saw that it "Was Good", is there any reason that this "Good" idea should be given up on by the creator. As a matter of fact God has said it will happen:
Do you think that Jehovah God’s purpose for people to live in an earthly paradise will ever be realized? “I have spoken,” God declares, “and I will also carry it out.” (Isaiah 46:9-11; 55:11) Yes, what God purposes he will surely do! He says that he “did not create [the earth] simply for nothing, but formed it to be inhabited.” (Isaiah 45:18) What kind of people did God want to live on the earth? And for how long did he want them to live here? The Bible answers: “The righteous will possess the earth, and they will live forever on it.”—Psalm 37:29; Revelation 21:3, 4.
So by the above, it seems that God will bring peace to the earth, not mankind.
Do you think that Jehovah God’s purpose for people to live in an earthly paradise will ever be realized? “I have spoken,” God declares, “and I will also carry it out.” (Isaiah 46:9-11; 55:11) Yes, what God purposes he will surely do! He says that he “did not create [the earth] simply for nothing, but formed it to be inhabited.” (Isaiah 45:18) What kind of people did God want to live on the earth? And for how long did he want them to live here? The Bible answers: “The righteous will possess the earth, and they will live forever on it.”—Psalm 37:29; Revelation 21:3, 4.
So by the above, it seems that God will bring peace to the earth, not mankind.
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exactly so - what goes unnoticed is that it does not say peace on earth but peace on earth to men of goodwill and here it seems Amadeus and Martin do not wish to be numbered amongst them and preach preventing others from doing so as if bad fruit of peace, joy etc - twinc
though this is a nice point it seems you might not be getting the jest of this conversation
note the OP
he includes all religions and men of goodwill his views of how things ought t be. man is given God's place in the earth, so to have peace on earth in God's view according to God's will, not twinc's view, there must be peace between God and of which Jesus is, those who acknowledge that can have and be at and receive God's Pease. its not about peace between men, its about God's Peace given to men through His Son the Lord Jesus Christ.
these people that come on sites like this one call themselves Christian and are not believers in Christ nor do they believe the Bible but they get their jollies giving garbage arguments to anyone on sites like these, or the admin itself stands behind it to generate responses. and you can bet its not his honest opinion.
notice too how his response was agreeable to your posting but yet his OP is contrary to your posting
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notice what is said is not said by God, Bible or Church - its about adding and subtracting to the word/s of God viz peace on earth and goodwill to men - twinc
Agreed. If Jesus is not your peace then you can only have peace if things go your way and if things don't go your way, you are entitled to try and find that peace in drugs and alcohol or even skydiving. God gives His people peace and even when they go through difficult times and their peace is shaken, they are entitled to grab onto that supernatural peace that is theirs so that even in great times of stress they could still be at peace.
How can one be righteous? Romans 3:22.
Who is the Prince of Peace? Jesus. God promised to give us His peace and peace of mind for all those who believe in His Son, John 14:27, Isaiah 9:6.
great sounding words and advice but alas useless - the ones disturbing the peace have never even heard of Jesus and many who have have rejected Him - twinc
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"not be getting the jest of this conversation" Your comment: Jest means a joke, I think you might mean Gist.
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Ecclesiastes 1:4 is NOT speaking of this sin cursed earth. The commentary to this is Matthew 5:5.
Matthew 10:34
"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword."
Luke 12:51
Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division."
2 Peter 3:10
"But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up."
Revelation 21:1
"And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea."
To God Be The Glory
Marakorpa
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Jesus knew that his teachings would divide people and that those who follow him would need courage to do so in the face of opposition. This opposition could affect peaceful relations among family members. Jesus said: “Do not think I came to bring peace to the earth; I came to bring, not peace, but a sword. For I came to cause division, with a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. Indeed, a man’s enemies will be those of his own household.”—Matt. 10:34-36.
4 In saying “Do not think I came to bring peace,” Jesus meant that some of his listeners needed to think about the consequences of following him. His message could divide people. Of course, Jesus’ motive was to proclaim God’s message of truth, not to damage relationships. (John 18:37) Still, holding faithfully to Christ’s teachings would be challenging if one’s close friends or family members rejected the truth.
The end of the wicked system of things will come when Jehovah is ready, no one know the day or the time, it will come like a Thief in the night.
And doesn't your quotation from Revelation tell you there will be exactly that, a new Heavenly Kingdom and a new earth, a paradise earth.
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