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I dunno. thety might be evidence. It's interesting th timing. 9/23/17 Rev 12 sign, and now planet x. strang things are here.
Jesus said no man knows the hour of the day, so I failed see what, if any, validity there is in addressing this particular issue?
This is a theology Forum not a speculation forum.
This is a theology Forum not a speculation forum.
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StanJ said:
I agree but a Angel might know the end of time.
Revelation 10:6
And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
If Jesus didn't know and he said nobody knew then I'm going to have to assume that includes the angels. Why on Earth would God alert or share His plans with angels?ezekiel said:
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The book of Ezekiel are where most of this is at. They are two Israels as when you read you will find out. Ancient Israel and Israel. Ezekiel moves in a pattern that shows this orbit of the Ancient's Star and Nibiru that planet Ezekiel 8/9. The other Star Ezekiel 40 That builds the New Heavens rather the Brass Man.ATP said:
No Kama Christ's second coming and the end of our universe as we know it are separated by least a thousand years. It's not a matter of what the father wants to it's a matter of the relationship between the father and angels. He doesn't sit around chewing the fat with them, they are there for a purpose, to exercise his will. They are servants, not confidants.ezekiel said:
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Let ezekiel start here.
Revelation 9:2
And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.
A clear picture of this as follow. We have two Stars ( cherubims ) He took fire from between the two. Nibriu is this planet between these Stars.
6 And it came to pass, that when he had commanded the man clothed with linen, saying, Take fire from between the wheels, from between the cherubims; then he went in, and stood beside the wheels.
This Planet is destroyed.
13 As for the wheels, it was cried unto them in my hearing, O wheel.
Earth will see this same thing at some point in time.
Revelation 9:2
And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.
A clear picture of this as follow. We have two Stars ( cherubims ) He took fire from between the two. Nibriu is this planet between these Stars.
6 And it came to pass, that when he had commanded the man clothed with linen, saying, Take fire from between the wheels, from between the cherubims; then he went in, and stood beside the wheels.
This Planet is destroyed.
13 As for the wheels, it was cried unto them in my hearing, O wheel.
Earth will see this same thing at some point in time.
This makes very little sense. Rev 21 shows the new Heaven and the new Earth after the thousand year reign of Christ. I think you'll find Revelation 9 has more to do with the tribulation than anything else.ezekiel said:
Hmmm.ezekiel said:
What Jesus actually said:
Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
If we believe Him (and I do) then the angels don't know, either.
Of course, this might have changed, now that Jesus has completed His mission on earth and gone back to His Father in Heaven.
In any case, it is enough for us to know that the end is coming, sooner or later.
Are you ready?
I don't think so because when Jesus was here on Earth he was God incarnate so it was something that was definitely compartmentalised. If he didn't know it then, I don't think he knew it when he returned, but what do I know, I'm just a lowly Earthling. ;)The Barrd said:
-_- Well, when the time comes, and His Father sends Him to collect His church, I suppose we'll all find out together.StanJ said:
To quote a well-known and much-loved hymn:
"WHAT A DAY OF REJOICING THAT WILL BE!"
Heck, even you and I will be hugging one another!
The Day of the Lord will come like a thief to nonbelievers, not believers.
Believers already know the Feast of Trumpets will bring in rapture.
Matt 24 & 1 Thess 5 Idiom
Nonbelievers
1. As it was in the days of Noah
2. people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage
3. and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away
4. While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape
5. For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk, get drunk at night.
Believers
1. Now, brothers and sisters, about times and dates we do not need to write to you
2. But you, brothers and sisters, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief
3. You are all children of the light and children of the day. We do not belong to the night or to the darkness.
4. So then, let us not be like others, who are asleep, but let us be awake and sober.
5. But since we belong to the day, let us be sober, putting on faith and love as a breastplate, and the hope of salvation as a helmet.
6. For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.
7. He died for us so that, whether we are awake or asleep, we may live together with him.
Matt 24:37-39 NIV As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.
1 Thess 5:1-10 NIV Now, brothers and sisters, about times and dates we do not need to write to you, 2for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. 4But you, brothers and sisters, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief. 5You are all children of the light and children of the day. We do not belong to the night or to the darkness. 6So then, let us not be like others, who are asleep, but let us be awake and sober. 7For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk, get drunk at night. 8But since we belong to the day, let us be sober, putting on faith and love as a breastplate, and the hope of salvation as a helmet. 9For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. 10He died for us so that, whether we are awake or asleep, we may live together with him.
It's an idiom. Rapture will occur on the Feast of Trumpets...
Lev 23:24 NIV “Say to the Israelites: ‘On the first day of the seventh month you are to have a day of sabbath rest, a sacred assembly commemorated with trumpet blasts.
Joel 2:1 NIV Blow the trumpet in Zion; sound the alarm on my holy hill. Let all who live in the land tremble, for the day of the LORD is coming. It is close at hand--
Zeph 1:14-16 NIV The great day of the Lord is near—near and coming quickly. The cry on the day of the Lord is bitter; the Mighty Warrior shouts his battle cry. 15That day will be a day of wrath—a day of distress and anguish, a day of trouble and ruin, a day of darkness and gloom, a day of clouds and blackness—16a day of trumpet and battle cry against the fortified cities and against the corner towers.
Matt 24:29-31 NIV “Immediately after the distress of those days “ ‘the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’ 30“Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. 31And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.
1 Cor 15:50-54 NIV I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. 54When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.”
1 Thess 4:13-17 NIV Brothers and sisters, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you do not grieve like the rest of mankind, who have no hope. 14For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. 15According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.
Believers already know the Feast of Trumpets will bring in rapture.
Matt 24 & 1 Thess 5 Idiom
Nonbelievers
1. As it was in the days of Noah
2. people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage
3. and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away
4. While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape
5. For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk, get drunk at night.
Believers
1. Now, brothers and sisters, about times and dates we do not need to write to you
2. But you, brothers and sisters, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief
3. You are all children of the light and children of the day. We do not belong to the night or to the darkness.
4. So then, let us not be like others, who are asleep, but let us be awake and sober.
5. But since we belong to the day, let us be sober, putting on faith and love as a breastplate, and the hope of salvation as a helmet.
6. For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.
7. He died for us so that, whether we are awake or asleep, we may live together with him.
Matt 24:37-39 NIV As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.
1 Thess 5:1-10 NIV Now, brothers and sisters, about times and dates we do not need to write to you, 2for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. 4But you, brothers and sisters, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief. 5You are all children of the light and children of the day. We do not belong to the night or to the darkness. 6So then, let us not be like others, who are asleep, but let us be awake and sober. 7For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk, get drunk at night. 8But since we belong to the day, let us be sober, putting on faith and love as a breastplate, and the hope of salvation as a helmet. 9For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. 10He died for us so that, whether we are awake or asleep, we may live together with him.
It's an idiom. Rapture will occur on the Feast of Trumpets...
Lev 23:24 NIV “Say to the Israelites: ‘On the first day of the seventh month you are to have a day of sabbath rest, a sacred assembly commemorated with trumpet blasts.
Joel 2:1 NIV Blow the trumpet in Zion; sound the alarm on my holy hill. Let all who live in the land tremble, for the day of the LORD is coming. It is close at hand--
Zeph 1:14-16 NIV The great day of the Lord is near—near and coming quickly. The cry on the day of the Lord is bitter; the Mighty Warrior shouts his battle cry. 15That day will be a day of wrath—a day of distress and anguish, a day of trouble and ruin, a day of darkness and gloom, a day of clouds and blackness—16a day of trumpet and battle cry against the fortified cities and against the corner towers.
Matt 24:29-31 NIV “Immediately after the distress of those days “ ‘the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’ 30“Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. 31And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.
1 Cor 15:50-54 NIV I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. 54When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.”
1 Thess 4:13-17 NIV Brothers and sisters, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you do not grieve like the rest of mankind, who have no hope. 14For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. 15According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.
Idioms, idioms, idioms........
Will Christ Return on The Feast of Trumpets?
By Daniel Valles, Updated 9/9/13, 09/09/2013
Throughout Scripture, we find many important prophecies fulfilled on Jewish Biblical feast days. Looking back we see God's fulfillments in Passover, First Fruits (Christ's Resurrection), Pentecost, etc. Those were referred to as the Spring Feasts. The Fall Feasts appear to also line up as further fulfillment, with the next Feast event being the Feast of Trumpets and the prophetic event of the Rapture.
We will learn shortly why and how Christ can fulfill this prophetic event on this day when we do not know the day nor the hour; but, first, we need some background. Biblically, the Feast of Trumpets (also known today as Rosh Hashanah or Yom Teruah) celebrates the Jewish New Year (although it was not originally for that purpose). The word means "Day of Blowing", referring to the shofar horn being blown one hundred times. There is a set pattern of different sounds that are repeated eleven times, with one single final blast referred to as the "Last Trump".
The Feast of Trumpets is a unique celebration in that it is actually two days referred to as one day, and called Yoma Arichtah in Aramaic: "one long day". This is because (unlike all the other feasts) it is marked not by a day, date, or time - it is traditionally marked as when two witnesses reported to the Sanhedrin that the new moon had been spotted. What makes it impossible to assign a day or hour to this event (which the Jewish people were commanded to observe) is that the timing would be relative and different depending on where in the world you were. Although it was officially done at Jerusalem.
Historically, this is why it is celebrated over two days as one - when the sighting was made official in Jerusalem, fires on mountains would be lit to spread the word to far off areas and nations that it had officially started. However, if you were Jewish and were part of those who still lived in Babylon and other nations after the dispersion, then you might not find out till a whole day later! This is why the holiday is spread over two days. It was a common idiom in Christ's day to refer to the Feast of Trumpets (Yom Teruah) as not knowing what day it would be on, or what hour; but, you would still have a very close idea of the period of week by watching the signs in the moon phases.
Even in our modern times, we use common idioms to refer to time frames. For example, people generally refer to the time and events around December 25th - January 1st as "The Best Time of the Year." It is not a day-specific idiom, but everyone knows generally the season you are talking about. For some it's December 24th and 25th, others it the 25th only, and for others it might be 24th through 1st. Likewise, when Jesus referenced that no one would know the day or the hour, it would have rung some mental bells in His disciples' heads, since the Feast of Trumpets was commonly known as "the feast where no one knew the day nor the hour".
One reason to strongly think that Christ was 'speaking their language' by referencing a common idiom is that He repeats this phrase with the two points of day and hour; He does not simply state that we will not know the day - that should have been enough if it was just going to be only random day of the year. The fact that He makes extra emphasis on a particular saying seems to be a 'Hint, Hint' to the time frame (one of the Feast of Trumpets) yet at the same time without being able to give a specific chronological marker.
In the following verses, you will see several repeating idioms and illustrations overlapping. Let's examine the Scriptures and see if Christ was using what would be a common and familiar Jewish idiom when He spoke with His disciples:
http://informedchristians.com/index.php/Articles/will-christ-return-on-the-feast-of-trumpets
Will Christ Return on The Feast of Trumpets?
By Daniel Valles, Updated 9/9/13, 09/09/2013
Throughout Scripture, we find many important prophecies fulfilled on Jewish Biblical feast days. Looking back we see God's fulfillments in Passover, First Fruits (Christ's Resurrection), Pentecost, etc. Those were referred to as the Spring Feasts. The Fall Feasts appear to also line up as further fulfillment, with the next Feast event being the Feast of Trumpets and the prophetic event of the Rapture.
We will learn shortly why and how Christ can fulfill this prophetic event on this day when we do not know the day nor the hour; but, first, we need some background. Biblically, the Feast of Trumpets (also known today as Rosh Hashanah or Yom Teruah) celebrates the Jewish New Year (although it was not originally for that purpose). The word means "Day of Blowing", referring to the shofar horn being blown one hundred times. There is a set pattern of different sounds that are repeated eleven times, with one single final blast referred to as the "Last Trump".
The Feast of Trumpets is a unique celebration in that it is actually two days referred to as one day, and called Yoma Arichtah in Aramaic: "one long day". This is because (unlike all the other feasts) it is marked not by a day, date, or time - it is traditionally marked as when two witnesses reported to the Sanhedrin that the new moon had been spotted. What makes it impossible to assign a day or hour to this event (which the Jewish people were commanded to observe) is that the timing would be relative and different depending on where in the world you were. Although it was officially done at Jerusalem.
Historically, this is why it is celebrated over two days as one - when the sighting was made official in Jerusalem, fires on mountains would be lit to spread the word to far off areas and nations that it had officially started. However, if you were Jewish and were part of those who still lived in Babylon and other nations after the dispersion, then you might not find out till a whole day later! This is why the holiday is spread over two days. It was a common idiom in Christ's day to refer to the Feast of Trumpets (Yom Teruah) as not knowing what day it would be on, or what hour; but, you would still have a very close idea of the period of week by watching the signs in the moon phases.
Even in our modern times, we use common idioms to refer to time frames. For example, people generally refer to the time and events around December 25th - January 1st as "The Best Time of the Year." It is not a day-specific idiom, but everyone knows generally the season you are talking about. For some it's December 24th and 25th, others it the 25th only, and for others it might be 24th through 1st. Likewise, when Jesus referenced that no one would know the day or the hour, it would have rung some mental bells in His disciples' heads, since the Feast of Trumpets was commonly known as "the feast where no one knew the day nor the hour".
One reason to strongly think that Christ was 'speaking their language' by referencing a common idiom is that He repeats this phrase with the two points of day and hour; He does not simply state that we will not know the day - that should have been enough if it was just going to be only random day of the year. The fact that He makes extra emphasis on a particular saying seems to be a 'Hint, Hint' to the time frame (one of the Feast of Trumpets) yet at the same time without being able to give a specific chronological marker.
In the following verses, you will see several repeating idioms and illustrations overlapping. Let's examine the Scriptures and see if Christ was using what would be a common and familiar Jewish idiom when He spoke with His disciples:
http://informedchristians.com/index.php/Articles/will-christ-return-on-the-feast-of-trumpets
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The other Star comes from the West for this is the part of Heaven that the House of God is. This is Mikes Star. When it is close enough the orbit of satan's star will change to 1000 year orbit. This also sets up the north gates in Ezekiel's Temple but more work for it to be completed.
20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
Well, as I've so often said in these threads, I'm no scholar, nor do I pretend to be one.
I'm just a hack writer from Alabama with a handful of books for sale on Amazon.
The Bible wasn't written for scholars, imho, but for carpenters, fishermen, tent-makers, housewives, poor widows (like me)...common, everyday people. Having a fancy shmancy education didn't help Saul to recognize his King when he came, did it? Jesus had to knock him off his high horse and blind him, before he could see.
Keep pretending that you see when you don't, and the same thing could happen to you. If you're lucky.
Anyway, what I know is that, Jesus promised that He would come back for us, and take us to a place that He has prepared for us, so that we might be where He is. I believe His promise. He will be here when He gets here...and He will be right on time...
I'm just a hack writer from Alabama with a handful of books for sale on Amazon.
The Bible wasn't written for scholars, imho, but for carpenters, fishermen, tent-makers, housewives, poor widows (like me)...common, everyday people. Having a fancy shmancy education didn't help Saul to recognize his King when he came, did it? Jesus had to knock him off his high horse and blind him, before he could see.
Keep pretending that you see when you don't, and the same thing could happen to you. If you're lucky.
Anyway, what I know is that, Jesus promised that He would come back for us, and take us to a place that He has prepared for us, so that we might be where He is. I believe His promise. He will be here when He gets here...and He will be right on time...
INDEED!The Barrd said:-_- Well, when the time comes, and His Father sends Him to collect His church, I suppose we'll all find out together.
To quote a well-known and much-loved hymn:
"WHAT A DAY OF REJOICING THAT WILL BE!"
Heck, even you and I will be hugging one another!
Have you ever noticed how 'much loved hymns' are not very doctrinally sound? The problem with the hymn you're referring to is that it starts with; "when we all get to heaven" :huh:
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