What an excellent question!!!!♥I mean, it sounds very good and spiritual. But how does this actually play out, for example, when you are tempted to sin? Does God just take over and force you not to?
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What an excellent question!!!!♥I mean, it sounds very good and spiritual. But how does this actually play out, for example, when you are tempted to sin? Does God just take over and force you not to?
Of course the answer is a resounding no. If one is tempted to sin, to real sin, 'we' and the spirit of Christ within us moves to cause its resistance and disappearance, every time! I include 'we' as we are now a part of this decision process, as a new believer within Christ. And over time, as we gain spiritual experience and knowledge, we will not see ourselves as just one spirit, and only in a spirit of the Christ. We will automatically acknowledge and KNOW that we and the spirit of the new seed have conquered it within our heart, together AS ONE SPIRIT. It will then be par for the course as they say.What an excellent question!!!!♥
Awesome find my sister. You and I were just talking about this and you sure did what you said, you made a thread! Girlfriend is on fire! Holy Spirit FIRE! Lol.A brief video promoting Scripture over Calvinism, addressing TULIP.
This young fella is seriously misinformed about most issues he presents in his video, including his misunderstanding of the word of God. He definitely has an bone to pick with a clear agenda.Awesome find my sister. You and I were just talking about this and you sure did what you said, you made a thread! Girlfriend is on fire! Holy Spirit FIRE! Lol.
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Perseverance of the Saints IS grounded in the Bible, and any serious book or website dedicated to Calvinist theology will give you a long list of verses supporting it. And any serious Arminian book or website will give you a long string of verses highlighting the dangers of Apostacy and the need for personal effort. I personally found Robert Picirilli's Grace, Faith, and Free Will to be helpful in explaining the eternal battle between the Remonstrants and the followers of John Calvin from both sides.I may be starting to understand why many people will reject any objections to Eternal Security and don't seem to care whether it's biblical or not.
If you were taught your whole life that its impossible to stop sinning, then justification by faith alone seems like the only way to really know that you are saved. It can't be on any personal basis because if it was, we'd be condemned and unqualified.
My current view is that there are deeply rooted theological traditions that teach that all self-effort is spiritually detrimental. They conflate it with going back under the laws of Moses
They say that Jesus comforts the afflicted and afflicts the comfortable.For many Christians doctrines like OSAS, faith alone, and rejecting works and self effort are the only source of assurance tbat they are saved and going to heaven.
If you were taught your whole life that its impossible to stop sinning, then justification by faith alone seems like the only way to really know that you are saved. It can't be on any personal basis because if it was, we'd be condemned and unqualified.
So then eternal security rises up to reassure people's hearts that they are making it. And to question that appears to be ruining the confidence people have.
You are one of the obedient and wise ones Jay. You are the part of his field that you allowed him to cultivate to become fertile; you opened your heart to him. The seed was planted and then he went to work in you and for you to become one of his own, a righteous being, kept and nourished today and tomorrow because of the faith he gave to you, and you grabbed it, enabling you to press on, grow and endure in Christ today.For me the way to righteous is to plant myself in God's fertile field and draw my nourishment from God's field.
That's it exactly. We who believe in Eternal Security rest in Jesus regarding our salvation...a life of peace. It doesn't mean we think we can then live in sin.living a life characterized by unrepentant sin is evidence that the person has not been spiritually regenerated and has no reason to be confident they are one of the Elect.
Please clarify how the second sentence relates to the first. I like the thread topic. Just don't understand how the referenced doctrines relate.I see the biggest obstacle for Christians having practical righteousness is that they think it's unnecessary or even detrimental to following Jesus. Doctrines that support this include but are not limited to Once Saved Always Saved/Eternal Security, Justification by faith alone, and Total Depravity.
As you posted a video regarding the false teachings of Calvinism it becomes very apparent in the particular views that stem from these errant theologies. Those that hold to some form of eternal security are consistent within that view regarding other scriptural principles .I may be starting to understand why many people will reject any objections to Eternal Security and don't seem to care whether it's biblical or not.
In accepting these erroneous views they also assume the opposite for those that do not hold these views. Because they hold that God does all the work, then those that hold the view that man is responsible for his salvation assume a believer is doing it alone. By definition a believer is one who is IN Christ, one who is dependent on the working of the Holy Spirit in their lives, so it is NEVER alone.For many Christians doctrines like OSAS, faith alone, and rejecting works and self effort are the only source of assurance tbat they are saved and going to heaven.
I'm going to assume you might be referring to Total Depravity - Calvin's teaching that man cannot do anything to find God, or to know God. Another point that is unscriptural.If you were taught your whole life that its impossible to stop sinning, then justification by faith alone seems like the only way to really know that you are saved. It can't be on any personal basis because if it was, we'd be condemned and unqualified.
Correct.Do I think we need eternal security doctrines to have assurance of salvation? No. We need to use the tests and assurances Jesus and the apostles laid out in Scripture.
Precisely.James writes that extending help to those in need rather than looking the other way is a way to prove our faith is genuine.
I don't believe there's any genuine assurance of our salvation unless we see ourselves obeying Jesus and walking in love.
Jesus, Paul, Peter, John and James among others said it was possible in Scripture and that we should stop.Is it possible to stop sinning? I come from the Methodist tradition (where it's called "Entire Sanctification"), and John Wesley thought so, though much is made of the fact that he never claimed to have achieved it himself. Along the same lines, a brother who has walked with Jesus for longer than I have and who is a lot holier and more faithful than I am told me that the closer he walks with Jesus, the more aware he is of just how deep this "Flesh" thing goes and where he falls short of the mark.
We're not talking just sinful action, we're talking about sinful words, we're talking about sinful thoughts, we're talking about sins of omission where "we have not loved You with our whole heart, we have not loved our neighbor" and failed to do the good that it was in our power to do. And then there's that Pride thing...