Preachers of the Lesser Riddle

[ScottA]

It is worldly to go on and on about the objects of bread and figs and temples, when the subject is Christ. Object vs. Subject. Simple enough. And you can spot them even here on Christianity Board. Look for them. Understand just where they're coming from--understand that they themselves don't even understand.

Even every prophetic future event. Is God Himself really going on and on about worldly things? No, but heavenly. And yet you see these sort of lessor riddles being preached here too. So worldly. So sad. Such a disservice actually.

Everything written points to God--whatever it seems to be about--but God speaks, and the scriptures are written, in parable fashion, as so many object lessons, mostly not about the object, but having a completely different subject. On earth as it is in heaven--yes, that is a prayer and a promise--but only given here in likeness. It's a form of teaching--teaching children. But the riddles are already given, given that we might learn what God is really getting at--not that we should imagine and elaborate great worldly fulfillment. If that were the case, Jesus would have prayed "On earth as it is on earth."

Meanwhile, such teachers of the lesser riddles should be understood for what they are, and avoided. Seek God--not the object fulfillment of worldly examples.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

It is worldly to go on and on about the objects of bread and figs and temples, when the subject is Christ. Object vs. Subject. Simple enough. And you can spot them even here on Christianity Board. Look for them. Understand just where they're coming from--understand that they themselves don't even understand.

Even every prophetic future event. Is God Himself really going on and on about worldly things? No, but heavenly. And yet you see these sort of lessor riddles being preached here too. So worldly. So sad. Such a disservice actually.

Everything written points to God--whatever it seems to be about--but God speaks, and the scriptures are written, in parable fashion, as so many object lessons, mostly not about the object, but having a completely different subject. On earth as it is in heaven--yes, that is a prayer and a promise--but only given here in likeness. It's a form of teaching--teaching children. But the riddles are already given, given that we might learn what God is really getting at--not that we should imagine and elaborate great worldly fulfillment. If that were the case, Jesus would have prayed "On earth as it is on earth."

Meanwhile, such teachers of the lessor riddles should be understood for what they are, and avoided. Seek God--not the object fulfillment of worldly examples.

Yes every one should seek God first and foremost. But god inspired the writers to write down these futre events so we can be forewarned and be aware of the coming events that may loom on the horizon. God deals with people here on earth with earthly things while waiting to receive them in teh heavenly realm.

Your condemnation of millions of bible believing, bible preaching servants of God does a great disservice and shame to your cause.

Isreal in seeking god were looking for the worldly fulfilment of the coming Messiah. Some accepted and some did not.

Jesus gave specific events to look for to know of things to come on earth before He physically returns.

 

[ScottA]

Yes every one should seek God first and foremost. But god inspired the writers to write down these futre events so we can be forewarned and be aware of the coming events that may loom on the horizon. God deals with people here on earth with earthly things while waiting to receive them in teh heavenly realm.

Your condemnation of millions of bible believing, bible preaching servants of God does a great disservice and shame to your cause.

Isreal in seeking god were looking for the worldly fulfilment of the coming Messiah. Some accepted and some did not.

Jesus gave specific events to look for to know of things to come on earth before He physically returns.

You're offended. That too is biblical. But you are defending that which is worldly and those who do the same.

Meanwhile, no, Jesus is not returning physically any more than the temple should be thought of as being built of stone again.

 

[marks]

You're offended.

Really? He didn't sound offended to me. Aren't you doing here what so many do, taking someone's replay and making it something it is not so that it will fit your paradigm? That's how it seems to me.

Personally I believe that God gave us a much more practical and informative Word than you seem to think. Is it so that only a very few, and maybe even only one ;-) can understand the truths of God's Word? Or is it more that all of His children are able to understand?

Jesus is returning to this world. If any thing is clear in prophecy, that is clear.

Between you and I, we shall just wait and see.

Much love!

 

[ScottA]

Really?

Yes, really. Which I see as the crux of the problem that I should address first even before reading the rest of your post.

Yes, he was "offended", evidenced by his being defensive. He said yes we should seek God first and foremost, but then went on to defend those who's actions don't, who prioritize not that which is greater, but justify the lessor. But I am not referring to charity, or feeding the hungry or caring for the sick, or even being a good steward. I am talking about: “Therefore I say to you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or what you will drink; nor about your body, what you will put on. Is not life more than food and the body more than clothing?"

 

[marks]

yes, he was "offended"

I've reread his post a number of times. I don't see that.

No matter.

 

[marks]

but then went on to defend those who's actions don't, who prioritize not that which is greater, but justify the lessor.

I don't see that either. He was telling you according to his beliefs, just as you have done.

You're answering me back with defenses of your statements, does that mean you also are offended?

Much love!

 

[marks]

Is not life more than food and the body more than clothing?"

Yes, more than, but not devoid of. Life has both "greater than food", and food.

 

[ScottA]

Really? He didn't sound offended to me. Aren't you doing here what so many do, taking someone's replay and making it something it is not so that it will fit your paradigm? That's how it seems to me.

Personally I believe that God gave us a much more practical and informative Word than you seem to think. Is it so that only a very few, and maybe even only one ;-) can understand the truths of God's Word? Or is it more that all of His children are able to understand?

Jesus is returning to this world. If any thing is clear in prophecy, that is clear.

Between you and I, we shall just wait and see.

Much love!

Surely it is practical for all to believe at the level they understand. But is it not also practical, that "We speak what We know and testify what We have seen, and you do not receive Our witness?" And after not receiving, some should by all means oppose what they reject?

As for Jesus returning to this world--this world is passing away--He said that, and gave instructions regarding the Spirit, of being born again,, and life after this, saying "The kingdom of heaven is like..." and "My kingdom is not of this world", and "I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also." All of which should cause us all to be prepared to drop everything, to only see to the things of this world as if passing through, as temporal, as if to serve, while our focus remains on Him, not on the cares of this world.

 

[ScottA]

I don't see that either. He was telling you according to his beliefs, just as you have done.

You're answering me back with defenses of your statements, does that mean you also are offended?

Much love!

If you don't see R speaking the words of Martha, caring about many things and defending those things against the idea of One thing being important...

 

[ScottA]

Yes, more than, but not devoid of. Life has both "greater than food", and food.

Okay Martha Mark.

 

[marks]

Okay Martha Mark.

Why do so many discussions on this forum devolve into this?

 

[ScottA]

Why do so many discussions on this forum devolve into this?

Because so many have not taken all that Jesus said to heart. I didn't want to remind you of the principles of Mary and Martha, but you jumped in defending against those principles.

 

[marks]

Because so many have not taken all that Jesus said to heart. I didn't want to remind you of the principles of Mary and Martha, but you jumped in defending against those principles.

Sad face is right. You had already reminded me of mary and martha, but you weren't content until you identified me as martha.

I guess it's better for your bank acount if you don't eat, but I do eat, and I depend on God to provide for me, just like He promised. And He has, He keeps His promises, even if someone (you) denies He made them.

So you say this is about something else entirely, OK, I get that, but Jesus said what He said, and the context is very clear, and I receive His promise. This is the first and direct application of that Scripture.

Much love!

 

[ScottA]

If you have been reading along, my question is: Knowing that "false teachers" and "strong delusions" were foretold of these times, why are so many believing the teachings of men and standing with them and defending them and their doctrines, rather than expecting to see correction, and meeting it with a contrite heart?

 

[ScottA]

Sad face is right. You had already reminded me of mary and martha, but you weren't content until you identified me as martha.

I guess it's better for your bank acount if you don't eat, but I do eat, and I depend on God to provide for me, just like He promised. And He has, He keeps His promises, even if someone (you) denies He made them.

So you say this is about something else entirely, OK, I get that, but Jesus said what He said, and the context is very clear, and I receive His promise. This is the first and direct application of that Scripture.

Much love!

Mark--you don't know my heart--I said I didn't want to...but YOU kept on.

And I have denied no such thing as you accuse me! You have answered your own question--so many threads here end up this way, because people do what you just did--you lied about what I said. You of all people. Stand corrected, or stand opposed.

As for the application of any scripture--I quoted Jesus putting things in proper perspective and order (Matthew 6:25). It is enough.

 

[marks]

you lied about what I said

Where?

Lying involves intent to deceive . . .

Where?

We need to be men of integrity and fortitude, willing to stand up for what we say. Not just bandying about accusations for effect. Another thing that happens a lot on this forum.

 

[ScottA]

Where?

Lying involves intent to deceive . . .

Where?

We need to be men of integrity and fortitude, willing to stand up for what we say. Not just bandying about accusations for effect. Another thing that happens a lot on this forum.

Speak for yourself. I quoted you. It is enough.

 

[marks]

Speak for yourself. I quoted you. It is enough.

You've nowhere supported your allegation, and that is sad that it goes this way. Think about it.

 

[Stumpmaster]

It is worldly to go on and on about the objects of bread and figs

Both are always on my shopping list. Thanks for reminding me to get some more. May the blessing of God Almighty bring forth more such revelations.