Preaching is for the unconverted

[Episkopos]

Preaching is like turning over a cold engine with a starting motor. Once the engine is running you don't need the starter anymore. Then it becomes a question of all the cylinders individually firing in the right order. The church of God, once established, is not meant to be preached at but rather to be taught in an interactive way. How else will every member become equipped to fulfill his/her function in the body?

 

[Mungo]

Preaching is like turning over a cold engine with a starting motor. Once the engine is running you don't need the starter anymore. Then it becomes a question of all the cylinders individually firing in the right order. The church of God, once established, is not meant to be preached at but rather to be taught in an interactive way. How else will every member become equipped to fulfill his/her function in the body?

How do you define the difference between preach and teach?

 

[Faithbuilders]

All preaching is teaching, the difference is just in the style, and subject. To the unsaved you preach Jesus saves, so the saved you peach Jesus empowers you, and holiness...

 

[Nancy]

Preaching is like turning over a cold engine with a starting motor. Once the engine is running you don't need the starter anymore. Then it becomes a question of all the cylinders individually firing in the right order. The church of God, once established, is not meant to be preached at but rather to be taught in an interactive way. How else will every member become equipped to fulfill his/her function in the body?

Hey John, hope all is good by you.
Agreed, someone once said that "church is not meant for the UN-saved, but for the saved to get built up and edified with the Holy Spirit so as to become stronger in the faith we are to spread to those outside the church. Problem is that the church's are now filled with UNBELIEVERS or, those with mouth service only. Thinking they are Christian because they said a few words a few years back, and sit in a building for an hour or two every Sunday and, grow not at all.
Church's should be charging stations for true Christians who WANT to be used of God...Jesus preached (taught) His disciples and "sent them off"...I think the Church should be seen much the same way but...not gonna happen in my estimation.

 

[Mungo]

All preaching is teaching, the difference is just in the style, and subject. To the unsaved you preach Jesus saves, so the saved you peach Jesus empowers you, and holiness...

That doesn't answer my question

 

[Faithbuilders]

Sorry, I was responding to the first post. That being said, I sort of did, just not with an explanation. I said the difference is the style of speaking. I know that does not explain very good. I can hear the difference, but I am not sure how to explain it.

 

[amadeus]

All preaching is teaching, the difference is just in the style, and subject. To the unsaved you preach Jesus saves, so the saved you peach Jesus empowers you, and holiness...

That doesn't answer my question

While you may disagree with the answer, he certainly did answer you even though he is not the one who wrote the OP.

Wait on @Episkopos . Probably he will also give you his answer.

The following verses describes, I believe, the total purpose of those two ministers as well as others given to us by God:

"And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;" Eph 4:11-14

 

[APAK]

Preaching is like turning over a cold engine with a starting motor. Once the engine is running you don't need the starter anymore. Then it becomes a question of all the cylinders individually firing in the right order. The church of God, once established, is not meant to be preached at but rather to be taught in an interactive way. How else will every member become equipped to fulfill his/her function in the body?

Questions...
I take it that you mean the church of God or the Body of Christ is already established?

How do we know when we are called to preach, we are preaching to the unconverted only, in an attempt to extend the Body of Christ? Ideally we want to just preach to the unconverted although do we really know it's not a mixed audience?

How do we know when those who are called, that teaching interactively will equip every converted member to use his/her function to the benefit of Christ within the Body?

These functions are essentially gifts and affinities to do the work of Christ given by the Father. Who readily really knows what functions each other has been given, with the exception of the Father and Son?

These member functions are the application of the gifts and specific works given by the Father, through his Son to apportion.

The Body of Christ can only be sustained, functionally be improved and perfected in love, and extended by the influence and leadership of Father and the Son. Not by its members themselves.

I just do not see what is the real purpose of your thread. Or is it designed on purpose to be vague and to solicit questions?

 

[MatthewG]

“How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach unless they are sent? As it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the gospel of peace, Who bring glad tidings of good things!” But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our report?” So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:14-17‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

 

[Bob Estey]

Preaching is like turning over a cold engine with a starting motor. Once the engine is running you don't need the starter anymore. Then it becomes a question of all the cylinders individually firing in the right order. The church of God, once established, is not meant to be preached at but rather to be taught in an interactive way. How else will every member become equipped to fulfill his/her function in the body?

Constant prayer - walking with the Lord - would seem to me a good way to learn.

 

[Episkopos]

How do you define the difference between preach and teach?

Preaching is I talk you listen. Teaching is a dialogue...a back and forth. Jesus taught His disciples by answering hard questions. Teaching is interactive. So then believers need to be taught not preached at. that is unless you believe that there is such thing as clergy whereby the people never grow beyond having to hear the same things over and over again. The modern system is built to fail.

 

[Episkopos]

“How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach unless they are sent? As it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the gospel of peace, Who bring glad tidings of good things!” But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our report?” So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:14-17‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

As long as you consider yourself to be an unbeliever, why wouldn't you need preaching? The gifts are for the whole body. Could it be that you have settled for less than a body of believers? How can anyone grow in Christ when there is a clergy system in place?

 

[MatthewG]

Hello Epis,

I’ll tell you this. You have the light (Jesus) in you already filled with water and bread. As a believer. What one does with that is up to them.

May God give the increase and may the spirit guide,
God bless,

~ Matthew

 

[FHII]

Believers still need preaching.

1 Corinthians 1:21 KJV
For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

 

[MatthewG]

Constant prayer - walking with the Lord - would seem to me a good way to learn.

Yes sir, and reading the Bible does help a lot in renewing our minds.

 

[marks]

How do you define the difference between preach and teach?

Preaching is from a word meaning to make a proclaimation, and teaching from a word meaning to give instruction. The proclamation in all but one instance is concerning sharing the Gospel message, that one instance being an Ephesian official giving an edict.

Preaching announces God's work, teaching informs us about God's work. I think @Episkopos said this correctly, once you've come into the body, preaching is passe, teaching is what we need.

And as we are members of the same body, we "one another" according to the working of the Spirit in each of us.

Much love!

 

[marks]

I just do not see what is the real purpose of your thread. Or is it designed on purpose to be vague and to solicit questions?

I think it's important to understand the difference in how we interact, with believers and unbelievers.

I take a very different approach with someone who shows faith in Christ from someone who does not. Someone who does not have faith in Christ needs only that one thing, and not meaning to sound offensive, but has nothing to offer. When we are with those who are all in the Spirit, each has something to contribute.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Preaching is I talk you listen. Teaching is a dialogue...a back and forth. Jesus taught His disciples by answering hard questions. Teaching is interactive. So then believers need to be taught not preached at. that is unless you believe that there is such thing as clergy whereby the people never grow beyond having to hear the same things over and over again. The modern system is built to fail.

I see a place for both, classroom instruction, and discussion.

I'm thinking of Paul and Barnabas, in Antioch, they taught "a considerable multitude". This is like the "multitudes" who followed Jesus, only more of them.

But the thing you are highlighting I fully agree with. The "CEO" styled church is not the Biblical model, and no one should take a passive role only.

Some teachers are so beloved that many many want to be in the room to hear them, and I don't have an issue with that, but I think we need the small interactive groups just the same. And if I had to choose one or the other, I'd choose the small group. But I like both.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Believers still need preaching.

1 Corinthians 1:21 KJV
For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

I think it means, that that believe what was preached.

Much love!

 

[APAK]

I think it's important to understand the difference in how we interact, with believers and unbelievers.

I take a very different approach with someone who shows faith in Christ from someone who does not. Someone who does not have faith in Christ needs only that one thing, and not meaning to sound offensive, but has nothing to offer. When we are with those who are all in the Spirit, each has something to contribute.

Much love!

??? are you addressing my words you have singled out in your response? Or are you assuming you know exactly what is really meant and the purpose behind this thread. Because it does not make any sense to me and also your comments here. Sorry...

You have only addressed and given your take of about a quarter of the OP....interaction with believers versus non-believers for growth...what the?. I addressed the entire thread/OP.

I hope you do understand that I'm bewildered and really do not know what you really saying based on my post and questions.

Just saying...not to be redundant..we have a failure to communicate here