Predestination Freewill Vs Forcing Vs Bada'

[Yusef]

Hi,
Sunni Muslims and other religions condemn Shi'a-Islam for Bada'
And say: with Bada' you say god is ignorant and sometimes will be remorseful and his hands is closed!

Well,
Around the concept of Predestination we have 2 theories

• 1. Jabr[Forcing]: that here God ForceS everyone and timeline of all the creatures was been written by God before their creating.
• 2. Ikhtiyar[Free Will]: that here God just CreatED the creatures and Has Taken them on an absolute Freewill.

But Shi'a has the 3rd choice means Bada'

Well,
What the Bada' is
Bada' means an Event/happening is foretold/Predicted/Prophesied from

• God/Prophets/Messengers or
• Magicians/Jinns/Devils/Saints/Spirituals or
• Dreams/Visions

Then it wont be done!! because of your own/others':

• Deeds,
• Behaviors,
• Worshipping,
• Prayers,
• Changing,
• Turning,
• Upgrading...

It's one the most important things that I looked at beliefs of Shi'a versus any other beliefs!

Question for Debating

• What is view point of your beliefs about that!?
• Whether this is Justly/Fairly or not, and why/how!?

 

[Yusef]

How does predestination work in your belief?

Edited reason: adding a link to explain the more

 

[Windmill Charge]

Around the concept of Predestination we have 2 theories

God is Sovereign and he has chosen those who will follow him, so it follows that he has chosen those who will reject him.

Because he is Sovereign he also has chosen how people come to him and that is never by force.
He gently leads people to him.
Read what Jesus says in John Ch 10 from verse 27 onwards, about people hearing his voice and following him.

 

[Yusef]

God is Sovereign and he has chosen those who will follow him, so it follows that he has chosen those who will reject him.

Because he is Sovereign he also has chosen how people come to him and that is never by force.
He gently leads people to him.
Read what Jesus says in John Ch 10 from verse 27 onwards, about people hearing his voice and following him.

1. Where is your source?
2. How does your source against my sources? Which parts?
3. Write your sources here

It's another part of my source in the same forum:
Revelation of the saint Yuhanna[pbuh]

 

[Windmill Charge]

Where is your source?

I quoted from the only reliable source. The bible.
John 10:27 onwards.

 

[Daniel]

How does predestination work in your belief?

Edited reason: adding a link to explain the more

It exactly is explaining the Quantum Physic and confirms that

Also The Quantum Physic confirms these believes:
Bada'
Prayers
Praying
Magics
Dreams
Prophesies
Sins
Forgiveness
Barakats

And Magicians, Dreams, Predictors watch only 1 or a few tracks of timelines,
And don't know will be occurred or not
And IF occurred, don't know with how quality will be.

But only God is watching all layers of all timelines of all creatures
And know exactly with which quality will be occurred/changed/cancelled

And IF one stops his own sins and won't continue that,
His previous timeline will be turned to an other timeline
(Exactly confirming the Double-Slit Experiment)
And his previous acts convert to waves and another timeline will be converted from waves to particle!!)
So all of his around people/things forget his previous timeline and remember his new timeline!

For this reason in the Hadith says:
God command to all people and things and stuffs and doors and walls and stones that forgive his sins

Well,
His sins will be converting to waves
And good acts will be converting from waves to particles
While he turn back to the sin
Again his timeline will be changed to another timeline
And there are infinite timelines for each creature and depends on acts/behaviors of himself or others to changing his timeline hourly/daily/monthly/yearly...
Converting waves to particles or particles to waves

For example this is possible that you has killed one or had been an accident but you asked forgiveness toward God, and God has forgiven you, and you and all other creatures don't remember such event!!

For this reason God says even if 1000 times returned back to the sin, again return back from sin and I will forgive you.

It's a important different belief between modern Christianity and Islam

 

[Daniel]

Also this Hadith solved the Grandfather Paradox easily