Premillennialism contradicts scripture (1 Corinthians 15:50-54) by having mortal flesh and blood inheriting the kingdom of God when Jesus returns.

[WPM]

No version translates it "Christ for you".

The interlinear Greek translates it "Christ in you".

Your falsification is obvious.

He has invented his own Bible to support his error.

 

[covenantee]

He has invented his own Bible to support his error.

Certainly appears so.

 

[Zao is life]

No version translates it "Christ for you".

My version does.

That says it all. "Not THE Bible. MY Bible."

 

[Zao is life]

I note that the Greek word "logos" refers to a concept, not a person.

YOUR mind, thoughts, words with YOUR plans and understanding and knowledge (or lack thereof) may be a concept (you do prove by your words that your mind is full of false concepts),

But God's Logos is part of who God is.

On the contrary, someone else twisted scripture. I am untwisting it.

On the contrary, the teaching of the apostles in scripture is plain. You're making it obvious that you are twisting it.

My view on the nature of God and Jesus has never changed. What I am saying in this thread, I have always known.

.. and hidden from the rest until now.

Your idea that the invisible God is made known to us by the Son of God is insightful in my opinion.

It's not my idea. If you believed scripture without twisting it you will have immediately known that I was only expressing my belief in what is told us in scripture by the apostles of Christ.

And I fully agree with your observation that the Spirit of God is the source of our full comprehension.

Then you need the Spirit of God IN CHRIST and therefore IN YOU to give you comprehension, because clearly you lack it.

Can someone actually brainwash themselves? I don't think so. :)

Whatever anyone believes if it is NOT TRUE, then yes, you have been brainwashed - but in your case, you have made it plain that it's your own human reasoning that has brought you under the brainwashing of your own beliefs produced by your own twisting of scripture. Self-brainwashed.

I understand your reaction. But ask yourself why we are discussing this topic here, in this thread.

We are not discussing this topic. The truth of scripture is not changeable. You are exposing the fact that you have twisted the scriptures and formed your own false doctrines. That's not a discussion.

I didn't bring it up. I never raise the subject on my own. Knowing that others, like yourself, may be offended, I refrain from discussing the subject.

The rules of this board are that if you do not believe in the Trinity you are not allowed to debate against the Trinity, as you are doing. But it's good that your true beliefs have now been exposed by yourself, because now everyone else who reads what you post can better understand where your false statements are coming from in the things that you say.

I am fully aware of the rules. And I obey the rules. But when someone asks me a question about it point-blank, the one who used their knowledge about my beliefs against me, as a way to discredit me, are the ones who have broken the rules.

No they have merely exposed the fact that you have broken the rules by posting your ideas based on your non-Christian (non-Trinitarian) beliefs in a board where only Christians who believe in the Trinity are supposed to be posting.

The fact hat you have always hidden your true beliefs for so long is what discredits you.

Feel free to believe whatever you want to believe and serve the Lord the way he is leading you. I wish you well.

The Spirit of Christ will only lead those who believe in Him to serve Him in the same way the apostles taught, which is what is summarized and EXPRESSED BY the creeds you fight against

- not in all sorts of false doctrines conjured up in human minds, produced by human reasoning - such as yours (your insistence that the Logos of God is a 'thing' but not God Himself being an example, among others).

The Holy Spirit has not led you to, and is not leading you to believe the things that you believe and express here.

I pray in my heart that you will realize your error and wish you well too.

 

[Doug]

John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Jesus taught that all of the dead will be resurrected in the same hour or time that is coming in the future. You have the dead being resurrected at two different hours/times separated by 1,000+ years.

It doesnt say it is the same hour

look at the next verse

[Jhn 5:29 KJV] 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

There are two resurrections that are separated as Rev 20 says

 

[claninja]

The Greek word "en" is difficult to translate. When translating the Bible into English, translators opted to render "en" as "in" nearly every time it appears. However, since "en" is used so frequently, and the translation "in" sometimes feels awkward in certain contexts, this suggests that translators may not fully grasp the nuances of the Greek usage of "en."

What idea did Paul intend to convey by the phrase "Christ [en] you"?

The problem is, unlike Greek, Latin, or German, English doesn't have a distinct dative or accusative case for nouns. In English, the word "in" functions as a preposition that conveys both location and movement. Oftentimes, when English speakers wish to convey the dative case, they use the words "to" and/or "for." For instance, we might say, "She bought a gift for him."

To understand Paul's meaning, we investigate the case of the word "you" in the phrase "Christ [en] you." The Greek word for "you" in this instance is written in the dative case. And how do we express the dative case in English? We use words like "to" and "for." Thus, in my opinion, Paul meant to say, "Christ for you, the hope of glory."

This is not really accurate at all. In Greek, ἐν + dative noun = inessive meaning. In other words ἐν + dative = place or location. Christ in (ἐν) you is the correct translation. ἐν does not mean “for/on behalf of”. That would be a different Greek preposition - ὑπέρ, and it would be followed by genitive case - Christ for/on behalf (ὑπέρ) of us (genitive) - like in Romans 5:8.

So to your example -

• English: she bought a gift “for” him. Greek: Ἐγώρασεν (she bought) δῶρον (gift in accusative) αὐτῷ (him in the dative). there’s no ἐν in the Greek. Instead, “for him” is expressed simply by putting αὐτός into the dative case (αὐτῷ). That’s how Greek handles beneficiaries — not with ἐν.

 

[Doug]

Revelation 20 talks about Jesus reigning and His followers being priests, right (Revelation 20:6)? Earlier in the book, John talked about that as a current reality when he said Jesus Christ IS "the prince of the kings of the earth" and that he "hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father"

[Rev 5:10 KJV] 10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

They SHALL reign which is not current

 

[Doug]

In order for there to be a future thousand years earthly kingdom, it would require mortals to survive the return of Christ. But, scripture does not teach that will happen.

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

[Rev 21:1 KJV] 1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
The day of the Lord will include the creation of a new heaven and earth.......this is after the kingdom

 

[Doug]

According to scripture, Christ's resurrection was the first resurrection and all believers have part in His resurrection spiritually when we are saved.

The first resurrection:

Acts 26:23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

Having part in the first resurrection:

Colossians 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

[1Co 15:23 KJV] 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

It is called the first resurrection in Rev 20 (the resurrection of the just (Acts 24:15)
The second is of the unjust
Calling it the first resurrection doesnt mean Christ was not first

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

It doesnt say it is the same hour

look at the next verse

[Jhn 5:29 KJV] 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

There are two resurrections that are separated as Rev 20 says

It says the hour (singular) is coming when all of the dead will be raised. It does not say the hours (plural) are coming.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

[Rev 21:1 KJV] 1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
The day of the Lord will include the creation of a new heaven and earth.......this is after the kingdom

So, do you think the following passage is fulfilled "after the kingdom" when the new heaven and new earth are created, also? Paul is writing about the same day of the Lord event that Peter wrote about in 2 Peter 3:10-12 here...

1 Thessalonians 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

According to Peter, the "sudden destruction" that will come upon unbelievers from which "they shall not escape" will be by fire coming down on the entire earth. That happens as soon as the day of the Lord arrives unexpectedly. Why do you try to make the destruction not occur until 1,000+ years after the day of the Lord comes as a thief in the night?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

[Rev 5:10 KJV] 10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

They SHALL reign which is not current

It's not saying we won't reign until the future, It's saying we reign now and will continue to reign because it says He "HAST MADE us unto our God kings and priests". It clearly says we have been MADE kings and priests, so why would we not be reigning now? It's saying we reign now as kings and priests and we shall continue to reign on the earth just as we do now.

The church IS "a royal priesthood".

1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

Romans 5:17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.

This says that we who have received "abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ". That's talking about a current reality of reigning in life because of belonging to Jesus Christ.

 

[Doug]

It says the hour (singular) is coming when all of the dead will be raised. It does not say the hours (plural) are coming.

Its not about being singular it a matter of recognizing that their can be different hours
[Mat 26:45 KJV] 45 Then cometh he to his disciples, and saith unto them, Sleep on now, and take [your] rest: behold, the hour is at hand, and the Son of man is betrayed into the hands of sinners.
[Luk 22:14 KJV] 14 And when the hour was come, he sat down, and the twelve apostles with him.
[Jhn 12:23 KJV] 23 And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified.

These all say the hour but different things happen,

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Its not about being singular it a matter of recognizing that their can be different hours
[Mat 26:45 KJV] 45 Then cometh he to his disciples, and saith unto them, Sleep on now, and take [your] rest: behold, the hour is at hand, and the Son of man is betrayed into the hands of sinners.
[Luk 22:14 KJV] 14 And when the hour was come, he sat down, and the twelve apostles with him.
[Jhn 12:23 KJV] 23 And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified.

These all say the hour but different things happen,

Again, Jesus said the hour is coming when all of the dead will be raised (John 5:28-29), not the hours are coming when all of the dead will be raised. You have to change the text to make it fit your doctrine.

 

[Doug]

So, do you think the following passage is fulfilled "after the kingdom" when the new heaven and new earth are created, also? Paul is writing about the same day of the Lord event that Peter wrote about in 2 Peter 3:10-12 here...

1 Thessalonians 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

According to Peter, the "sudden destruction" that will come upon unbelievers from which "they shall not escape" will be by fire coming down on the entire earth. That happens as soon as the day of the Lord arrives unexpectedly. Why do you try to make the destruction not occur until 1,000+ years after the day of the Lord comes as a thief in the night?

 

[Doug]

So, do you think the following passage is fulfilled "after the kingdom" when the new heaven and new earth are created, also? Paul is writing about the same day of the Lord event that Peter wrote about in 2 Peter 3:10-12 here...

1 Thessalonians 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

According to Peter, the "sudden destruction" that will come upon unbelievers from which "they shall not escape" will be by fire coming down on the entire earth. That happens as soon as the day of the Lord arrives unexpectedly. Why do you try to make the destruction not occur until 1,000+ years after the day of the Lord comes as a thief in the night?

The day of the Lord will happen at the coming of Christ at the end of the tribulation and INCLUDES the time of the new heavens and earth
Peter says it is the day of the Lord

 

[Doug]

It's not saying we won't reign until the future, It's saying we reign now and will continue to reign because it says He "HAST MADE us unto our God kings and priests". It clearly says we have been MADE kings and priests, so why would we not be reigning now? It's saying we reign now as kings and priests and we shall continue to reign on the earth just as we do now.

We arent kings and priests Israel is and they arent reigning currently Exodus 19;6

 

[Doug]

The church IS "a royal priesthood".

1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

Peter is writing about Israel

 

[Doug]

Again, Jesus said the hour is coming when all of the dead will be raised (John 5:28-29), not the hours are coming when all of the dead will be raised. You have to change the text to make it fit your doctrine.

[Mat 26:45 KJV] 45 Then cometh he to his disciples, and saith unto them, Sleep on now, and take [your] rest: behold, the hour is at hand, and the Son of man is betrayed into the hands of sinners.
[Luk 22:14 KJV] 14 And when the hour was come, he sat down, and the twelve apostles with him.
[Jhn 12:23 KJV] 23 And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified.

The verses I gave dont say hours either.....they say the hour.....did the same thing happen in each time he said the hour

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The day of the Lord will happen at the coming of Christ at the end of the tribulation and INCLUDES the time of the new heavens and earth
Peter says it is the day of the Lord

The destruction Peter and Paul describe occur immediately when the day of the Lord's coming arrives unexpectedly and not 1,000+ years later. Despite that destruction, Peter says we look forward to the new heavens and new earth, so God is going to renew the heavens and earth by fire when Jesus comes, resulting in the new heavens and new earth.