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Featured Presidential Election Live Coverage 2020

Discussion in 'Current Events & Politics Forum' started by April_Rose, Nov 3, 2020.

  1. Ziggy

    Ziggy Well-Known Member

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    Keep this video in your archives and play it to anyone who says that Trump was a sore loser..etc..if we can still do this privately in the future.
     
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    Heart2Soul Spiritual Warrior Staff Member

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    Well there is still Newsmax and OANN...:oops:
     
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    I think allowed and put conclusions down to see the responses. It is a way of defining truth.
    Truth becomes an argument with no rebuttal. So the case Judy has proof of fraud.
    He goes to federal court in Williamsport to argue it is unfair to allow voters to correct missing details in their ballot.
    Whether republican or democrat, this was the notion, that the ballot should be invalidated because some counties helped voters to do this while others did not. PA state had no policy other than counties could if they wanted help voters.

    The legal argument was the argument had no point in law so was neither legal or illegal, so nothing for the courts to rule on.
    Rudy was attempting to suggest there was bias in the running of the election and possible tamparing, but had failed to include this is the submission to court. Now the truth is there was no evidence to prove the case for fraud so this was not brought, but it was hoped if the case for unfair bias was heard other evidence than curing or completing the ballot of missing information could be introduced.

    It appears the judge agreed that the legal case for bias in curing ballots did not exist, so the case will be dismissed.
    The judge pointed out there are plenty of courts and people favourably inclined to hear evidence and accept counts for illegal behaviour, but you need to bring this to court.

    Long term the worst case scenario is possible tampering but no evidence but tons of accusations. It poisons the atmosphere and achieves nothing. I hope you see this is not beneficial within the US or to people outside. And this battle does not have to be won now, because the battle for justice is more important, that stands and influences much more than Trump. But if in reality this is just Trump using a problem to create self interest, this is something else. Now a wise rich guy who can fund these legal cases, you withdraw, gather your troops and fight from a position of strength. But if you are a showman, its only about the instant, the standing, the moment, playing to the audience.

    I hope you see the difference. And the value of democracy compared to the ego of an individual?

    God bless you

    PS you can listen to the case on youtube
     
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    Money? Buying off a politician? Nahhhh!
    I think mail in ballots should have to be signed and notarized. It's common sense because in the notary process one has to show picture ID.
    But then an election couldn't be stolen could it?
     
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    That was a hearing. Not a trial.
     
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    Here is a classic problem. One of the programmers, designers, builders of the Dominion setup up said this alegedly
    "Don’t worry about the election, Trump’s not gonna win. I made f**king sure of that!”
    Eric Coomer - VP US Engineering Dominion.
    BREAKING: Dominion programmer told ANTIFA he "would ensure Trump does not win".

    What you need to see this is not left or right politics but a potential crime done by a guy right on the inside.
    He is the type of person who could do this in 5 lines of code and no one but him would know.

    It is also why it would take a lot of investigation and understanding to prove.
    This is not about CIA etc or special interest groups but abuse by people with inside ability.

    Software is king, and in that world, you can hold the keys, if you are given them. And to be sure, you could argue the source code should be open source and verified with locked object code versions which cannot be tampered with. But probably we are not looking at this, rather trust and hope the internal precautions within an organisation are enough. And against an insider who knows the whole design, it is almost impossible. You can only protect against this using double checking and rigorous signoff and test packs. But I am sure most signoff by clients would not be at this level.

    And one sentence overheard is proof to make it worthy of investigating, but not proof of what was actually done, if anything. Some boast and cannot deliver for their own ends. Nerds are very good at this, and often do not know the consequences......

    God bless you

    Worse still, such a change could actually not have changed the outcome, you have to know exactly what was done and how, to be able to see its affect. This complicates things because the clock is ticking, and these types of issues can sometimes be very hard to unpick. If he had a random generator in the code, without audit etc. to find the needles may be impossible. And rerunning the election may also be absurd or maybe justified. Now that would be a real mess.

    Answer to question about Coomber

    Did a Dominion Voting Systems Employee Brag About Rigging the Election Against Trump?
     
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    Jordan Sekulow to Newsmax TV: Pending Georgia Lawsuit 'Shocking'
    By Eric Mack | Saturday, 21 November 2020 12:19 PM

    An election challenge lawsuit planned to be filed early this week is new and will be "shocking," according to President Donald Trump lawyer Jordan Sekulow on Newsmax TV.

    "We have got lawsuits likely to be filed in Georgia on either Monday or Tuesday; I can't get into the details," Sekulow, the son of Trump personal attorney Jay Sekulow, told Saturday's "America Right Now."

    Jordan Sekulow to Newsmax TV: Pending Georgia Lawsuit 'Shocking'


    "I can't tell you right now, but what's coming in Georgia will be shocking, when we file this in federal court Monday or Tuesday," Jordan Sekulow told host Tom Basile. "It's nothing that we have talked before. It's not what you heard in the press conference [Thursday] either.

    "This is something completely separate."

    The fact Jordan Sekulow pointed to federal court, it is likely a constitutional legal challenge. He did allude to some challenges to the constitutional issue of "equal protection under the law."

    He added, to those saying "put up or shut up, it's coming this week."

    "They've got to be outcome determinative, but I will tell you, the Lt. Gov. [Geoff Duncan] in Georgia, the Secretary of State in Georgia [Brad Raffensperger] in Georgia, they're in for quite a shock on Monday and Tuesday about how poorly they run and they ran – there's going to be a proof – of how poorly run they ran the elections in one of their major counties," Sekulow said.


    Sekulow did note it was related neither to the challenges on signature verification on mail-in ballots in Georgia, nor a potential upcoming audit of the recently certified election results in Georgia, as teased by GOP Gov. Brian Kemp.

    "That recount was not a recount at all," Sekulow said. "All we did is find more votes, which were new votes, not recounted votes."

    Sekulow noted his legal team is working on the constitutional case, while the Trump campaign legal team of Rudy Giuliani, Jenna Ellis, and Sidney Powell are focusing on compiling the evidence of voter fraud, including Dominion Voting Systems.

    "Look at the in-fighting in Georgia: That's a lawyer's dream, so we've got to be there and we are," Sekulow said.

    Important: See Newsmax TV now carried in 70 million cable homes, on DirecTV Ch. 349, Dish Network Ch. 216, Xfinity Ch. 1115, Spectrum, U-verse Ch. 1220, FiOS Ch. 615, Optimum Ch. 102, Cox cable, Suddenlink Ch. 102, CenturyLink 1209, Mediacom Ch. 277, Frontier 615
     
  9. amigo de christo

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    SING TO THE GLORIOUS LORD .
     
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    You have to have a point of law to challenge, to show illegal behaviour over which to charge the plaintiff.
    Going to court and failing on a point of law reflects very badly on the lawyers involved.

    These are the best lawyers that Trump can come up with? Really? And been prepared for months.
    I think the Dominion source code change is 100% likely reality. And Dominion know it, lawyering up to fight it, withdrawing from hearings.
    This is a very local company fraud perpetrated by some insiders with strong political hatreds.

    Ironic that this scenario would let the Democrats off the hook, and the CIA, FBI etc but not the due diligence people in every state running this equipment. Wonder what the insurance companies are thinking? Oh my, what a disaster. This will be epic. You will see what happens when you play footsee with the state..... it will not be nice for anyone. I would not want to be Eric. If it is true he sent Trump Antifa's memorandum, what a mug. He is prime numpty to do this kind of thing, thinking he could slip under the radar.

    Dare I say sexual predators are the same, which is why you make sure 3 people together at all times, so no clear opportunity provided if the hidden want to try anything.

    Got to add this would also answer all the conspiracy theorists who run away with ideas, when human nature and human stupidity account for 100% of everything.

    God bless you

    In police terms the above provides, motive, means and opportunity.
    Motive, hates Trump love Antifa, means, knows the Dominion system inside out, opportunity, has access to the source code and can change what is needed to achieve the meddling goal. Now this is the beginning of real evidence and a criminal investigation.
     
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    Don't underestimate the agenda of bridge dwellers. As long as they are paid attention they are sated and shall continue in their broken record rhetoric.
    As Rudy said, at this point anyone who says there is no evidence is a liar.
    Those who worship lies are immune to truth. Why waste time trying to reach the unreachable, the unreasonable, the trolls?
    Corporate controlled media intends to dumb down America and feed our enemies. And they're paid very well for their efforts.
    Others act for free because their rhetoric gains them the attention they're hungry for. They're starved because they are indecent. They are corrupt because they are immoral. They are damned because they know not Christ.

    Pity them? Sure.
    Pray for them? Maybe.
    Feed them what sustains their lost soul?
     
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    Ah, but they've made one gargantuan mistake. God is more powerful. And God blesses America with a Christian president who as soon as he was sworn into office promised we are working together to make America greater every day.
     
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    Your profile settings preclude rereading your remarks. I go from memory.

    I would suggest you consider support for our president is not wholesale reliance on government. Nor is it a union of church and state.
    Furthermore, we are told we are to respect those who are in leadership. That isn't solely with regard to the church.
    Christians are suppose to stand vigilant as pertains to those who govern us. It is a duty in America at least to be stalwart in defense and the protection of our liberty to pay attention to what occurs in this representative democratic constitutional republic.

    The Psalm of David spoke of and to this fact.
    America is a representative government. The people elect from our community those whom we wish to represent our best interests. Both locally and federally. Abandoning that responsibility makes no excuse later on when our government turns against us because we were led to be under the mistaken impression we have no duty to protect and defend our liberty and freedoms.

    Can wicked rulers be allied with you, those who frame injustice by statute? They band together against the life of the righteous and condemn the innocent to death.

    The American Christian has a right to commit to investing their time in securing and remaining aware of the policies that are put forth in their name. A right.
    Foreigners who cast aspersions upon this free constitutional democratic republic are only entitled to their opinion.
    We live here!
    Please don't presume to tell us it is not in keeping with our faith to watch those who lead us.
     
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    I like your fighting language. Commenting that there is only I saw this, this was said to me, is not here are the double counted votes, here are the numbers that are inflated, here is the software code that got triggered when certain situations were hit, and here is the coder who did the coding..

    That is real evidence. And evidence of someone seeing ballots being put through machines more than once, should have some fail safe feature to stop this happening. If the procedures are this weak, it is the procedures that are at fault. You have to assume there will be mistakes and fraud, and work at double accounting to show it up, or else where is the proof you have anything of value. When I write software code to compute financial return illustrations I have to build two models, using different assumptions or methods, so when they agree I know it is right. I have literally too many times said, yes that number is right, and been wrong every time, because of a simple failure that the double system showed up.

    It makes me wonder what Dominion did to put in these safeguards.

    I have had the response "they are immoral" before. When you hit a brick wall in ones own indoctrination, logic has to be a lie, and so are those using it, or else one is a nutcase in delusion. It is harder to say, yes I have gone to far, than to make everyone else a liar. Worse still to have not the democrats undermine the democracy but Antifa, I mean that would not be fair.........lol. Its the trouble with hatred, it consumes the soul

    God bless you
     
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    Rasmussen Poll: Nearly A Third Of Democrats Believe The Election Was Stolen From Trump
    [​IMG]HAFNovember 21, 2020

    While the election hasn’t been certified, and the results are pending litigation, the media has effectively crowned Joe Biden the victor in the 2020 election, and voters have some strong opinions on the matter.

    According to a Rasmussen poll conducted November 17-18, nearly half of likely voters, 47 percent, believe the election was stolen from Trump.

    If Joe Biden is ultimately certified as the winner, there will undoubtedly be a big fat asterisk on his presidency. This should be very concerning for Joe Biden.

    [​IMG]

    President George W. Bush had the 2000 election cast a dark shadow over his presidency, with many Democrats to this day refusing to acknowledge his presidency as legitimate.


    If Biden is confident in the legitimacy of the results as they stand now, he should be willing to let the process continue, and should publicly express his support for this.

    But, Joe Biden’s problems are not simply because many Republicans believe the election was stolen. (…)

    Let me repeat, nearly a third of Democrats believe it is likely that the election was stolen from President Trump. That’s a remarkable number. Huge, in fact. (…)

    No matter what happens, Americans’ faith in our elections has taken a huge hit this year.

    It’s not uncommon for the losing party to feel things were unfair, but this is clearly the moment for big changes to happen to restore our faith in our elections to ensure that Americans can feel confident in our elections regardless of the results.

    Source: PJmedia.com
     
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    To the contrary! I think facts make you emotional. And try to explain them away by calling them emotional.
     
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    As someone who has in her time committed to political activism and the fight to insure religious liberties of all peoples, may God bless and keep Mr.Sekulow and all parties invested in this fight.
    God bless warriors for freedom. Amen.

    Beautiful! The Lord's prayer in Aramaic
     
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    Amen! Father put a hedge of protection around him!
     
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    And to others a fascist.
    Without wanting perhaps to appear so, ur seems you are promoting the social issues and perhaps the solutions to them as offered to us in the papal encyclical laudato si. The Pope is very keen in linking climate change to the need to promote and enforce Christian morality upon the world through legislative action in government. Just as other Popes were before him. Trump was an impediment to this agenda, at least in one sense, but in another sense effectively created the left resurgence through his verbal expressions of ego and pride. People not so much views for Biden, but voted against Trump. It was their hatred for Trump that motivated their choices, not their liking or even support of policy of the left.
    I perceive you are of a similar vein. Add to that a coldness toward America as a whole... Not by lack of attention but hatred for it's constitutional freedoms and a deep seated antipathy to the constitution itself... by the papal power which lusts for a Catholic America but must first destroy the principles upon which America was founded. You speak like a third columnist. A Jesuit. Fomenting discord and sowing doubt and inciting a continuation of conflict. Just sayin.
     
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    In Jesus precious and mighty name, amen!
     
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