Proof of genuine Christianity a believer needs to believe in = the five fundamentals

[epostle1]

A true Christian, offspring of the woman, obeys ALL the Commandments to the best of their ability, and testifies to Jesus Christ with their lives.
Revelation 12:17

If an unjust aggressor were to break into my home, threaten the lives of my family, and lethal action was the only resort to stop him, I would be justified in killing the s.o.b.

 

[Nancy]

John 13:34,35 should tell us who true Christians are. Since Jehovah God is not a God of chaos but of order his people, those that truly follow Jehovah God only begotten Son Jesus Christ would also be orderly, have a organization which would be global (The global church of true Christians). Can I honestly say Christendom is that global church? No! Why, because we have had two global wars(world war 1&2) and many nation's that said they were Christian nation's fought this war. Christian fighting Christians. I'm supposed to believe Christendom excuses for fighting these wars, that Christians fighting Christians is showing love to one another. That's what Christendom wants me to believe that killing one another, that's showing love to one another, that I will never be able to believe, that killing one another is loving one another. I believe this is just one way Christendom has genuine lack of Love. I believe they have a genuine lack of love for The True God's personal name, a lack of love for their spiritual brothers and sisters in the church, because they don't reprove or discipline them even though God has given those who are taking the lead in the church this authority to reprove and discipline. How do I know this, because I was in Baptist churches and pendicostal churches and spiritual brothers and sisters in these churches were practicing sin, not making a mistake we all make those, but practicing sin and those taking the lead in the church knew it and treated them like fine upstanding Christians, why? I believe they were afraid that if they said anything to them they would stop contributing to the the church. Eventually I found out from other people from different denomination were saying the same problem existed in their churches. I believe there is a genuine lack of love in Christendom. They, meaning those in Christendom can get upset by my saying that but it doesn't mean what I say isn't true. I certainly agree with John 13:34,35 and yes I believe Jehovah Witnesses show more love for Jehovah God his only begotten Son Jesus Christ who is the word and for Jehovah God Kingdom, who he has made his only begotten Son Jesus Christ King of, and yes they show love to their spiritual brothers and sisters even when they must discipline them. If you don't discipline your spiritual brothers and sisters in the church, even when they leave you no choice but to disfellowship them which is what is called tough love yes but it is a last resort to try to help them understand that God doesn't want us practicing sin, why? Because he loves us. He knows we will make mistakes we all do, but practicing sin and making a mistake, not the same thing. Practicing sin is not in the best interest of those who are practicing sin nor is it in the best interest of their spiritual brothers and sisters, who may be influenced to follow their ways if left unchecked.

Hello Barney, I agree that True Christianity has (at least in part) "waxed" cold. That spirit is evident in even my own Church. It is a huge shame as that pushes people away, those who discern it at least ,from that particular body of believers. And I sure do agree that many Churches are afraid to preach TOO much on sin because of their coffers dwindling if they did.
I had visited a friends Church awhile back, I liked the way they did their offerings and have heard of this since...they have a box right at the door where people come and go for the offerings, no plate, no pressure and...I have to believe nothing other than God has blessed them abundantly...the Pastor believed in giving the NEW TESTAMENT way, not the "Tithe" The Pastor, IMO, believed God would bless his Church through cheerful giving, and God did. He took that step of faith with a sincere heart to serve. I also think he was the kind of Christian who would want nothing less than our Lord's will, and if the Church did not thrive, then it was not blessed of God...this man of God totally puts his faith and trust in the Lord, not the "tithe" plate. :)

Bless you,
-nancy

 

[Enoch111]

He understood that "Paradise" is not heaven.

I believe this man may have had greater spiritual insight than most rabbis. Please examine his dialogue carefully.

(a) Firstly he acknowledge Christ as Lord;
(b) Secondly he was positive that Christ was King of the Jews;
(c) Thirdly, he was positive that Christ would literally establish His Kingdom on earth in the future; and
(d) Lastly he was positive that if he turned to Jesus with repentance and faith, he would also be in that Kingdom of God.

We do not know the whole story about this man, but it is entirely possible that he had heard Jesus preaching and teaching on more than one occasion. While that did not stop him from his criminal activities, he would have gained insight into Christ and His Kingdom.

As to 'Paradise is not Heaven', Paradise is in the New Jerusalem, which is in Heaven, so for all practical purposes Paradise = Heaven (the third heaven, which is God's Heaven).

2 CORINTHIANS 12
1 It is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord.
2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth: such an one caught up to the third heaven.
3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth:
4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

 

[aspen]

The Kingdom of God is within us

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Hello Barney, I agree that True Christianity has (at least in part) "waxed" cold. That spirit is evident in even my own Church. It is a huge shame as that pushes people away, those who discern it at least ,from that particular body of believers. And I sure do agree that many Churches are afraid to preach TOO much on sin because of their coffers dwindling if they did.
I had visited a friends Church awhile back, I liked the way they did their offerings and have heard of this since...they have a box right at the door where people come and go for the offerings, no plate, no pressure and...I have to believe nothing other than God has blessed them abundantly...the Pastor believed in giving the NEW TESTAMENT way, not the "Tithe" The Pastor, IMO, believed God would bless his Church through cheerful giving, and God did. He took that step of faith with a sincere heart to serve. I also think he was the kind of Christian who would want nothing less than our Lord's will, and if the Church did not thrive, then it was not blessed of God...this man of God totally puts his faith and trust in the Lord, not the "tithe" plate. :)

Bless you,
-nancy

Hello Nancy, yes it's sad to see that so many preachers don't talk about those who are practicing sin, not mistakes like I said we all make mistakes, but those who continue to practice sin. Like I said I honestly believe most of the preachers are afraid if they say anything to them about it they may stop contributing, which is a total lack of faith in God and his only begotten Son that they can't keep their organization (global church) in existence if the preacher spoke to them. This lack of faith in God and his only begotten Son Jesus is evidence of a genuine lack of love for God and his only begotten Son Jesus.

 

[Enoch111]

The Kingdom of God is within us

That in no way nullifies a future real, visible Kingdom of God on earth after the Second Coming of Christ. And it is this Kingdom which will include a redeemed and restored kingdom of Israel on earth under Christ.

 

[brakelite]

KJV Matthew 16
15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
KJV 1 John 4
14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.
15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
KJV 1 John 5
We Are God's Children
1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
KJV John 17
3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

I have read the'big five', but according to the above I may be a Christian without any reference to the five at all.

 

[APAK]

Proof of genuine Christianity a believer needs to believe in = the five fundamentals of the faith=The deity of Jesus, Virgin birth of Jesus, Jesus"s Blood atonement, Jesus's soon return. Or be lost and bound for hell. Do you??

To you and anyone interested..

If one really knows that the spirit of God gave you the life and spirit of Christ that is within you today, is the true hallmark of a Christian, nothing else, nothing more nothing less. These 5, 10 or 20 principles that folks list as prerequisites of a Christian are all embedded knowing you have the SPIRIT and it is active within you in your gained LIVING faith and love from God. And how do we know we have this spirit living within us? There is a self-examination or test we MUST pass it with a grade of 100 percent.

Both Paul and John speak of this test has the true test of a genuine believer.

In 2 Corinthians 13:5-6, Paul came to a ‘mixed’ congregation, of a mixture of true and false believers; typical of any congregation, then, and today. Paul tell them to examine themselves to see if they have the SPIRIT of Christ within them, now.

Paul says we must examine or test ourselves to see if we are true believers. If anyone does fail this test that person is a fake believer.

(2Co 13:5) Examine yourselves, to see whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Or do you not realize this about yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you? Unless indeed you fail to meet the test!
(2Co 13:6) But I hope you shall know that we have not failed the test. (ALL NEV)

In John 20:29-31, he tells us why he writes his Gospel. He writes his Gospel so that men might believe that Jesus is the Son of God, that He’s the Christ, that they might have eternal life.

(Joh 20:29) Jesus said to him: Because you have seen me, you have believed. Blessed are they that have not seen and have believed.
(Joh 20:30) Many other signs Jesus did in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book.
(Joh 20:31) But these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in his name. (ALL NEV)

Why did John write his epistle? He tells us in 1 John 5:13: These things in this this epistle he wrote to whomever believes in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.

(1Jn 5:13) I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life. (NEV)

Read the book of 1 John, because it comprises of a series of tests.

Test 1: 1 John 1:6

(1Jn 1:6) If we say that we have fellowship with Him and walk in the darkness, we lie and not do the truth. (ALL NEV)

If we lead a life style predominantly of the world and self over living and walking in Christ, we are a faker believer. We reflect nothing of God’s character and contradict living according to his will.

Test 2: 1 John 1:8-10

(1Jn 1:8) If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.
(1Jn 1:9) If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
(1Jn 1:10) If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us. (ALL NEV)

There is no sinless perfection state as a Christian. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

The most mature Christian is still susceptible to sin.

One of the greatest evidences that a person has truly been born again, having the same spirit of Christ, a true child of God is that they will be SENSITIVE to the sin in their life and they will be led to repentance and confession of that sin. WE do not lead ourselves to repentance just in case we carry a sin – a sure sign we do not possess the SPIRIT.

You know if we side into sin like any human, believer or non-believer. And if we see our sliding over time, further and further into the same type of sin, and if God eventually pulls us out of this same type of sin, this is a sure sign we are a genuine believer. Has this happened to you?

So. if we say we have no sin, OR not sensitive to sin OR we (and not the SPIRIT because it’s absent) lead ourselves to repentance because of sin we believe needs confession and repentance, we are fake Christians. We failed the test!

Test 3: 1 John 2:3-5

(1Jn 2:3) And hereby we truly know that we truly know him: If we keep his commandments.
(1Jn 2:4) He that says: I know him, and does not keep his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
(1Jn 2:5) But who keeps his word, in him truly has the love of God been perfected. Hereby we know that we are in him. (ALL NEV)

This plainly means we keep on with a life-style of obeying the commandments written in our hearts. We persevere with them ALWAYS! We do not defy them, as we are sensitive to them as sin. We do not decide the ‘bar’ to set to pass this test. It is 100 percent, and we pass this test because the SPIRIT within us knows it is 100%. It has nothing to do with sin in our lives. Our SPIRIT attests that we have a lifestyle of keeping all commandments and the two that sums them all are: if we are in love with God, and then ourselves and then others as ourselves.

If this heartfelt and mind is absent within us we fail the test and are fake Christians!

Test 4: 1 John 2:6

(1Jn 2:6) He that says he abides in him, ought also walk even as he walked. (NEV)

Do you really desire to walk in life, as Jesus, in his spirit and his life or just as any human on earth and emulate a human hero or heroine?

Do you ‘like’ to walk as the world and do the things that the world will love you for? If you don’t have it within you, you are fake Christian!


Test 5: 1 John 2:9-11

(1Jn 2:9) He that says he is in the light and hates his brother, he remains in the darkness.
(1Jn 2:10) He that loves his brother abides in the light, and there is no occasion of stumbling in him.
(1Jn 2:11) But he that hates his brother is in the darkness and walks in the darkness, and does not know where he goes, because the darkness has blinded his eyes. (ALL NEV)

Now we are to love brothers and sisters in Christ, not those of the world. If we love those of the world over those in Christ, and even despise or hate the latter, we fail the test.

If we do not take care for those in Christ and take care of non-believers first, we fail the test and we are fake believers!

If we have many friends of the world over those we could have feasibly, in Christ we are fake believers. Going to a ‘church’ do not necessarily ‘cut-it’ either. We may go just to ‘fill in’ a weekly square for self, family and some friends.

If you say that you know God and yet you do not love other believers in a real and practical way and desire fellowship with them, you are a fake believer!

Take the test and know you are genuinely in Christ, as God already knows anyway.

Bless ALL,

APAK

 

[Willie T]

To you and anyone interested..

If one really knows that the spirit of God gave you the life and spirit of Christ that is within you today, is the true hallmark of a Christian, nothing else, nothing more nothing less. These 5, 10 or 20 principles that folks list as prerequisites of a Christian are all embedded knowing you have the SPIRIT and it is active within you in your gained LIVING faith and love from God. And how do we know we have this spirit living within us? There is a self-examination or test we MUST pass it with a grade of 100 percent.

Both Paul and John speak of this test has the true test of a genuine believer.

In 2 Corinthians 13:5-6, Paul came to a ‘mixed’ congregation, of a mixture of true and false believers; typical of any congregation, then, and today. Paul tell them to examine themselves to see if they have the SPIRIT of Christ within them, now.

Paul says we must examine or test ourselves to see if we are true believers. If anyone does fail this test that person is a fake believer.

(2Co 13:5) Examine yourselves, to see whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Or do you not realize this about yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you? Unless indeed you fail to meet the test!
(2Co 13:6) But I hope you shall know that we have not failed the test. (ALL NEV)

In John 20:29-31, he tells us why he writes his Gospel. He writes his Gospel so that men might believe that Jesus is the Son of God, that He’s the Christ, that they might have eternal life.

(Joh 20:29) Jesus said to him: Because you have seen me, you have believed. Blessed are they that have not seen and have believed.
(Joh 20:30) Many other signs Jesus did in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book.
(Joh 20:31) But these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in his name. (ALL NEV)

Why did John write his epistle? He tells us in 1 John 5:13: These things in this this epistle he wrote to whomever believes in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.

(1Jn 5:13) I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life. (NEV)

Read the book of 1 John, because it comprises of a series of tests.

Test 1: 1 John 1:6

(1Jn 1:6) If we say that we have fellowship with Him and walk in the darkness, we lie and not do the truth. (ALL NEV)

If we lead a life style predominantly of the world and self over living and walking in Christ, we are a faker believer. We reflect nothing of God’s character and contradict living according to his will.

Test 2: 1 John 1:8-10

(1Jn 1:8) If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.
(1Jn 1:9) If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
(1Jn 1:10) If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us. (ALL NEV)

There is no sinless perfection state as a Christian. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

The most mature Christian is still susceptible to sin.

One of the greatest evidences that a person has truly been born again, having the same spirit of Christ, a true child of God is that they will be SENSITIVE to the sin in their life and they will be led to repentance and confession of that sin. WE do not lead ourselves to repentance just in case we carry a sin – a sure sign we do not possess the SPIRIT.

You know if we side into sin like any human, believer or non-believer. And if we see our sliding over time, further and further into the same type of sin, and if God eventually pulls us out of this same type of sin, this is a sure sign we are a genuine believer. Has this happened to you?

So. if we say we have no sin, OR not sensitive to sin OR we (and not the SPIRIT because it’s absent) lead ourselves to repentance because of sin we believe needs confession and repentance, we are fake Christians. We failed the test!

Test 3: 1 John 2:3-5

(1Jn 2:3) And hereby we truly know that we truly know him: If we keep his commandments.
(1Jn 2:4) He that says: I know him, and does not keep his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
(1Jn 2:5) But who keeps his word, in him truly has the love of God been perfected. Hereby we know that we are in him. (ALL NEV)

This plainly means we keep on with a life-style of obeying the commandments written in our hearts. We persevere with them ALWAYS! We do not defy them, as we are sensitive to them as sin. We do not decide the ‘bar’ to set to pass this test. It is 100 percent, and we pass this test because the SPIRIT within us knows it is 100%. It has nothing to do with sin in our lives. Our SPIRIT attests that we have a lifestyle of keeping all commandments and the two that sums them all are: if we are in love with God, and then ourselves and then others as ourselves.

If this heartfelt and mind is absent within us we fail the test and are fake Christians!

Test 4: 1 John 2:6

(1Jn 2:6) He that says he abides in him, ought also walk even as he walked. (NEV)

Do you really desire to walk in life, as Jesus, in his spirit and his life or just as any human on earth and emulate a human hero or heroine?

Do you ‘like’ to walk as the world and do the things that the world will love you for? If you don’t have it within you, you are fake Christian!


Test 5: 1 John 2:9-11

(1Jn 2:9) He that says he is in the light and hates his brother, he remains in the darkness.
(1Jn 2:10) He that loves his brother abides in the light, and there is no occasion of stumbling in him.
(1Jn 2:11) But he that hates his brother is in the darkness and walks in the darkness, and does not know where he goes, because the darkness has blinded his eyes. (ALL NEV)

Now we are to love brothers and sisters in Christ, not those of the world. If we love those of the world over those in Christ, and even despise or hate the latter, we fail the test.

If we do not take care for those in Christ and take care of non-believers first, we fail the test and we are fake believers!

If we have many friends of the world over those we could have feasibly, in Christ we are fake believers. Going to a ‘church’ do not necessarily ‘cut-it’ either. We may go just to ‘fill in’ a weekly square for self, family and some friends.

If you say that you know God and yet you do not love other believers in a real and practical way and desire fellowship with them, you are a fake believer!

Take the test and know you are genuinely in Christ, as God already knows anyway.

Bless ALL,

APAK

And if you pass all these……. Congratulations! Move over, Jesus, because you can probably also walk on water.

 

[APAK]

Besides noticing a few grammar errors and misspelt words in my previous post there is one last Test to perform I forgot to add in.

Test 6: 1 John 2:22-23

(1Jn 2:22) Who is the liar but he that denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist: he that denies the Father and the Son.
(1Jn 2:23) Whoever denies the Son, the same has not the Father. He that confesses the Son has the Father also. (ALL NEV)

Do you believe the EXACT words and thus the deliberate meanings of this scripture? Do you believe that Jesus was created by the spirit of God as a human being in the womb of Mary? Do you believe that this same Jesus is the son of God and became anointed with the power of God within him– the Christ? If you say no OR have a variant or supplemental answer with a deliberate and different intention or view in mind to either question, then you are a fake believer.

Again, take the 6 Tests to see if the SPIRIT of regeneration, of salvation lives within you.

Bless you,

APAK

 

[APAK]

And if you pass all these……. Congratulations! Move over, Jesus, because you can probably also walk on water.

Does the scripture truth bother you and is there another truth you are fond of?

Bless you,

APAK

 

[Nancy]

Hello Nancy, yes it's sad to see that so many preachers don't talk about those who are practicing sin, not mistakes like I said we all make mistakes, but those who continue to practice sin. Like I said I honestly believe most of the preachers are afraid if they say anything to them about it they may stop contributing, which is a total lack of faith in God and his only begotten Son that they can't keep their organization (global church) in existence if the preacher spoke to them. This lack of faith in God and his only begotten Son Jesus is evidence of a genuine lack of love for God and his only begotten Son Jesus.

It is surprising to me actually, that so many of them have such little faith. Especially since they will be held accountable to a higher degree. The CHURCH as a whole, needs to pray for our local body leaders to NEVER compromise the Word Of God.
God Bless you,
-nancy

 

[Willie T]

Does the scripture truth bother you and is there another truth you are fond of?

Bless you,

APAK

It's just that I have read most of the posts here (including mine and yours) and I know better than to think any of us live up to those "tests". (Sometimes, SOME of them, perhaps, but not all of them, all the time)

 

[APAK]

It's just that I have read most of the posts here (including mine and yours) and I know better than to think any of us live up to those "tests". (Sometimes, SOME of them, perhaps, but not all of them, all the time)

I'm saying to you now that you are wrong Willie. We can live 'up to' as you say, these tests. I know of many that pass the 6 tests, including myself! Please reread them again.

I hope you are not suggesting in some way you are 'not good enough' or not sure? I will pray that you will pass these 6 tests if you are in doubt.

We do not have to be perfect, far from it.

As one of my major themes and drums beats on this site...Either you have the SPIRIT within you and thriving or you do not!

I hope that there are some others besides me on this site that can say with confidence, yes, to all the 6 tests of truth. I really do....I would be very stunned otherwise


Bless you,

APAK

 

[Willie T]

We both better hope no one goes back and reads some of our past posts.

 

[APAK]

We both better hope no one goes back and reads some of our past posts.

Willie: You presume a lot about me as I may not be like you at all, spiritually.

I do not know what posts you think I’ve made that would disqualify me on any of these 6 tests of truth I’ve just presented, you cannot as I cannot you.

This is not a ‘we’ or group exercise or a ‘we are all in it together’ or ‘we are all the same’ regarding these tests of truth. We must do them individually and be accountable for them individually.

By your last words I do not approve, and I do not agree with you when you must bring me into your state of spirituality, as suggesting I’m the same as you are in this regard.

My spiritual state with God may not be the same as yours Willie and therefore keep it your own. There is only a 'collective 'state if you have the same spirit of truth within you.


Bless you,


APAK

 

[BreadOfLife]

Which of the the FIVE fundamentals of the faith=The deity of Jesus (1), Virgin birth of Jesus (2), Jesus"s Blood atonement (3), Jesus will return (4), Do you not believe??

You might want to re-think this post.
You keep referring to "FIVE" fundamentals - and you only list FOUR . . .