Proof of genuine Christianity a believer needs to believe in = the five fundamentals

[Helen]

Strong words of Truth on the fundamentals of the faith.

FIVE FUNDAMENTALS OF THE FAITH
There are five fundamentals of the faith which are essential for Christianity, and upon which we agree: 1. The Deity of our Lord Jesus Christ (John 1:1; John 20:28; Hebrews 1:8-9). 2. The Virgin Birth (Isaiah 7:14; Matthew 1:23; Luke 1:27). 3. The Blood Atonement (Acts 20:28; Romans 3:25, 5:9; Ephesians 1:7; Hebrews 9:12-14). 4. The Bodily Resurrection (Luke 24:36-46; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, 15:14-15). 5. The inerrancy of the scriptures themselves (Psalms 12:6-7; Romans 15:4; 2 Timothy 3:16-17; 2 Peter 1:20). 1 And those who disagree with any of the above doctrines are not Christians at all. Rather, they are the true heretics. So disagreements are perfectly acceptable within the confines of Christianity, because our salvation does not hinge upon doctrines other than the above five. But if some deny even one of the five fundamentals mentioned above, they have departed from the faith, "giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils" (1 Timothy 4:1). By denying the above scriptural doctrines, they have heaped to themselves "teachers, having itching ears" (2 Timothy 4:3); thereby even "denying the Lord that bought them" (2 Peter 2:1). These are the true heretics, who are preaching "another Jesus", according to 2 Corinthians 11:4: For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him. And later in this same chapter, Paul refers to these people as the ministers of Satan, in 2 Corinthians 11:13-15: For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.https://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/fivefundementals.pdf

You have already posted that.
Do you somehow believe that the more you repeat something the better it sounds to the readers?

You are a bit receptive...

 

[Phoneman777]

There are none that I do not believe...I believe them all...but each person sees different depths in each..none are 'cookie cutter.'
What I do not believe is your total false hood when saying:-

Quote:-
"Proof of genuine Christianity a believer needs to believe in etc etc
Or be lost and bound for hell."
Garbage.

Many "true Christians" see variations of your five...and NOWHERE did God say that these five are "proof" of a Believer!!
You made that up yourself.

My bible tells me that when a person believes that that Jesus died for their sins and that they are cleaned by His blood....they are saved. Period.

YOU added all the rest... Do you have bible references of those other four stating that they are 'a MUST ?'

Doesn't Hebrews 12:14 say that we must pursue after "peace and holiness" to see God, as well as believe Jesus died for our sins? The idea of pursuing after something indicates continuity of something.

 

[GISMYS_7]

I wanted to make sure you had a chance to read about the five fundamentals of the faith you had so many questions about!!!

 

[Helen]

Doesn't Hebrews 12:14 say that we must pursue after "peace and holiness" to see God, as well as believe Jesus died for our sins? The idea of pursuing after something indicates continuity of something.

Yes I agree.
I don't know you very well. But obviously read some of your posts.
Are you the kind of person who believes that what you see and the way you see scripture is the only correct way, and if other people see something a little different then they are wrong.?

I do not believe that we get where we are going if we step off the Path.
But I do believe while walking along on the Path two people can have a slightly different perspective. If both continue along the Path..with a heart on fire for the Lord..I believe that they will be arrive together.

Often with the members on this site I don't find that.
I find with some it is " My way, or no way".

I don't see a couple of things eye to eye with @amadeus
I don't see a couple or things eye to eye with @APAK
and a few others...but I do believe that we are all headed into Father.

And that is my argument with the person who started this thread...I cannot and will not say that if people don't see it 'may way' then off to hell they go!!

.......H

 

[Phoneman777]

Yes I agree.
I don't know you very well. But obviously read some of your posts.
Are you the kind of person who believes that what you see and the way you see scripture is the only correct way, and if other people see something a little different then they are wrong.?

I do not believe that we get where we are going if we step off the Path.
But I do believe while walking along on the Path two people can have a slightly different perspective. If both continue along the Path..with a heart on fire for the Lord..I believe that they will be arrive together.

Often with the members on this site I don't find that.
I find with some it is " My way, or no way".

I don't see a couple of things eye to eye with @amadeus
I don't see a couple or things eye to eye with @APAK
and a few others...but I do believe that we are all headed into Father.

And that is my argument with the person who started this thread...I cannot and will not say that if people don't see it 'may way' then off to hell they go!!

.......H

I'm the kind of person that doesn't make judgments about the eternal destination of others because I can't see into their heart. What I can do is share what the Bible says with others and hope that the Holy Spirit convicts them of the truth of it and also gives them courage, strength, and desire to walk in it.

Words can't describe how much I hate OSAS because, I believe, it provides people with the false security of the ability to obtain by works-absent dead faith that which the Bible says can only be obtained by living faith - but I refuse to judge the eternal destination of those who cherish that belief, for what person would spitefully curse, instead of feel a deep sense of anguish and helplessness for a drowning victim who stubbornly refuses to take hold of a lifeline?

 

[Helen]

Amen. Good post.

 

[Willie T]

You want some more "rules" fun? Look up The SEVEN Fundamentals of Faith. (Use Google... I just did.)
Then look up The Ten Fundamentals of Faith. (I did that, too)

It's a riot! I imagine you could pick just about any number you want, and someone has made up a rule that THESE are the things a TRUE Christian has to believe...… AND written a book about it.

 

[Helen]

Good one @Willie T

 

[amadeus]

Proof of genuine Christianity a believer needs to believe in = the five fundamentals of the faith=The deity of Jesus, Virgin birth of Jesus, Jesus"s Blood atonement, Jesus's soon return. Or be lost and bound for hell. Do you??

You seem to want a definite, yes or no, answer, but does God?

Can a person miss on one or more of those because of where is at the moment in his walk with God and still be immersed in the two great commandments as per Jesus? If he can will he then be able to please God and always be with Him?

"Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
This is the first and great commandment.
And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets." Matt 22:37-40

 

[amadeus]

Many people have no idea what real born again, believers believe== Proof of genuine Christianity a believer needs to believe in = the five fundamentals of the faith=The deity of Jesus, Virgin birth of Jesus, Jesus"s Blood atonement, Jesus's soon return. Or be lost and bound for hell. Do you??

But, which "many people" is it that decide whether or not we are saved? I would say, none of them.

 

[Nancy]

Many people have no idea what real born again, believers believe== Proof of genuine Christianity a believer needs to believe in = the five fundamentals of the faith=The deity of Jesus, Virgin birth of Jesus, Jesus"s Blood atonement, Jesus's soon return. Or be lost and bound for hell. Do you??

You have forgotten the most important one, His Resurrection... because if he did not rise, we are all still dead in our sins.
And, you will know them by their fruits..."

 

[Nancy]

This is a load of you know what!!
No where does it say " if you don't believe these you are going to hell."

And the Church wonders why many do not like, or want to be Christians.

It people like you who believe such garbage that drives people away from Church.

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Some folks are misdirecting their passion for Christ into passion for being right and are not open to the Spirits teaching. Christians if indeed you are free in Christ, let no man put you back in shackles.

"If you are flirting with Moses, you are cheating on Jesus" -Andrew Farley

 

[Nancy]

...that is God's call.

Amen for THAT!!! God looks to the heart...not people.

Matthew 7:15-21
15Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. "

Pretty simple how to discern a true Christian from a false one...by their fruits.... @GISMYS_7 WADR, may I ask how long you have been a Christian?
All in His Name,
-nancy

 

[Enoch111]

I repeat the question because you give no answer!!
The five fundamentals of the faith =The deity of Jesus, Virgin birth of Jesus, Jesus"s Blood atonement, Jesus's return, Bodily Resurrection. \

According to The Fundamentals (1910-1915), we have this list:
1. The inerrancy of the Bible
2. The literal nature of biblical accounts (creation, miracles of Christ, etc)
3. The virgin birth of Christ
4. The bodily resurrection and physical return of Christ
5. The substitutionary atonement of Christ on the cross

As you can see there can be a variation in what is really fundamental. In my view the inspiration, inerrancy, infallibility and sufficiency of Scripture is foundational.

The deity of Christ (which includes His virgin birth), the perfect finished work of Christ on the cross (which includes the blood atonement) and the resurrection of Christ, as well as salvation by grace through faith are next. As the apostle John tells us "the doctrine of Christ" (which includes everything above) is the key to knowing the difference between the Spirit of truth and the spirit of error. Every false religion and every false cult rejects the truth that Jesus is God (Theos).

 

[Helen]

@Enoch111

Amen! And like someone else posted...why only five?

But no matter ...GISMY wont listen...he is like a blinker horse...he can only se what he wishes to see.

But, then again...maybe we all do.

 

[epostle1]

I believe in all 5 fundamentals as listed, but I don't agree with the way fundamentalists present them.

 

[Hidden In Him]

The five fundamentals of the faith =The deity of Jesus, Virgin birth of Jesus, Jesus"s Blood atonement, Jesus's return, Bodily Resurrection. Who can be a real born again "Christian" but not believe any of the five fundamentals of faith?? And if people die without believing what is needed to be a real "Christian" where will they spend eternity??

Greetings, GISMYS.
It appears you've run into some real heat on this thread, so I'm not bandwagoning on that. But I would like to ask you a humble question on your position: The repentant thief on the cross was told by Jesus that He would soon be with Him in Paradise, and it is doubtful that he believed in all of those things because some hadn't occurred yet. So to hold to a list of mental realizations as being necessary unto salvation seems a bit strict. What about those who receive Christ right before dying today? They may not have had time to mentally assimilate everything yet either.

Forgive me if someone already brought up this question. I haven't had time to go through the entire thread.

 

[Enoch111]

What about those who receive Christ right before dying today?

Exactly. This is what Paul would say to them: ...Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house. (Acts 16:30,31).

 

[epostle1]

If I may briefly butt in:
The Thief on the Cross was a Jew. He understood that "Paradise" is not heaven. A 21st century Protestant mindset is somewhat removed from Jewish eschatology.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

John 13:34,35 should tell us who true Christians are. Since Jehovah God is not a God of chaos but of order his people, those that truly follow Jehovah God only begotten Son Jesus Christ would also be orderly, have a organization which would be global (The global church of true Christians). Can I honestly say Christendom is that global church? No! Why, because we have had two global wars(world war 1&2) and many nation's that said they were Christian nation's fought this war. Christian fighting Christians. I'm supposed to believe Christendom excuses for fighting these wars, that Christians fighting Christians is showing love to one another. That's what Christendom wants me to believe that killing one another, that's showing love to one another, that I will never be able to believe, that killing one another is loving one another. I believe this is just one way Christendom has genuine lack of Love. I believe they have a genuine lack of love for The True God's personal name, a lack of love for their spiritual brothers and sisters in the church, because they don't reprove or discipline them even though God has given those who are taking the lead in the church this authority to reprove and discipline. How do I know this, because I was in Baptist churches and pendicostal churches and spiritual brothers and sisters in these churches were practicing sin, not making a mistake we all make those, but practicing sin and those taking the lead in the church knew it and treated them like fine upstanding Christians, why? I believe they were afraid that if they said anything to them they would stop contributing to the the church. Eventually I found out from other people from different denomination were saying the same problem existed in their churches. I believe there is a genuine lack of love in Christendom. They, meaning those in Christendom can get upset by my saying that but it doesn't mean what I say isn't true. I certainly agree with John 13:34,35 and yes I believe Jehovah Witnesses show more love for Jehovah God his only begotten Son Jesus Christ who is the word and for Jehovah God Kingdom, who he has made his only begotten Son Jesus Christ King of, and yes they show love to their spiritual brothers and sisters even when they must discipline them. If you don't discipline your spiritual brothers and sisters in the church, even when they leave you no choice but to disfellowship them which is what is called tough love yes but it is a last resort to try to help them understand that God doesn't want us practicing sin, why? Because he loves us. He knows we will make mistakes we all do, but practicing sin and making a mistake, not the same thing. Practicing sin is not in the best interest of those who are practicing sin nor is it in the best interest of their spiritual brothers and sisters, who may be influenced to follow their ways if left unchecked.