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Well according to the Bible there a some scriptures that gives a little details on how angles look. Let us take a look and see what Satan/Devil/serpent/Dragon really looks like.Can you provide a detailed description of this destroyer for us?
An origin story?
Thanks
F2F
I get the sense you are stringing a bunch of unrelated Scriptures together and forcing your own man made notions on them.This is the living creature that I saw under the God of Israel by the river of Chebar; and I knew that they were the cherubim’s. Every one had four faces apiece, and every one four wings; and the likeness of the hands of a man was under their wings. (Ezekiel 10:20-21)
In the first chapter of Ezekiel we saw the Cherubim’s carrying Jesus around on His throne. Not a space ship as the status quo thinks. These were simply cherubim angels flying the Lord around. Is Satan a cherub angel? Well, let's find out.
The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying, Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God: Behold, thou art wiser than Daniel; there is no secret that they can hide from thee: With thy wisdom and with thine understanding thou hast gotten thee riches, and hast gotten gold and silver into thy treasures: (Ezekiel 28:1-3)
This is not an ordinary man, notice the clue. Thou are wiser than Daniel? The prince of Tyrus is a Gentile, how can he be wiser than Daniel when it comes to the word of God. Israel possesses the oracles/word of God. Remember that Satan is the god of the Gentiles that have not came under the commonwealth of Israel. This man is Satan; Satan is wiser than Daniel take a look.
Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty. Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.( Ezekiel 28: 12-13)
Do you recall the king of Tyrus in the Garden of Eden? I do recall the serpent which is called the devil and also Satan. Let's see who this really is.
Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. (Ezekiel 28:14-15)
Now we see this is not a man, but a cherub angel. In some cases the Lord calls angels men. But notice something; this cherub which is Satan had some authority. He actually was on the mountain of God, until he sinned. We should pay close attention to that. What happened when Satan sinned against God?
You know who this is speaking about yeah?By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty; thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground; I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee. (Ezekiel 28:16)
I'm sorry for your mis understanding, but I post lesson in parts, under subject and title. So the lesson makes sense when read from the beginning to the last part. Also my lesson are not coming from Roman Christianity teaching, but from the uncut word of God. Paul said in 2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.I get the sense you are stringing a bunch of unrelated Scriptures together and forcing your own man made notions on them.
Be honest - would I be right?
Better to answer - No, I cannot provide an origin story for my belief.
F2F
I asked if you know what Ezekiel 28 is teaching - I dont think you do...just wanting to confirm that with you.I'm sorry for your mis understanding, but I post lesson in parts, under subject and title. So the lesson makes sense when read from the beginning to the last part. Also my lesson are not coming from Roman Christianity teaching, but from the uncut word of God. Paul said in 2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
Sorry where is satan (adversary) mentioned in Hebrews?Remember, stay in the Lord's law, and the trouble will past. If we endure after the Lord has roughed us up a little bit, He will consider us as sons and daughters. Take a look at this verse and we will move to the prophet Job and get a prime example of a person being chastened by the Lord through Satan. Notice what Paul says.
For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons. (Hebrews 12:6-8)
With that being said, let us take a look at the prophet Job. The Lord called him a perfect and an upright man. Why did the Lord allow Satan to destroy his house? Remember the verses in Hebrews sisters and brothers.
I don't remember saying Satan have a adversary in Hebrews.Sorry where is satan (adversary) mentioned in Hebrews?
That's true, the Lord control it all, but that's not the point. The point is, who the Lord use to control things or to do evil upon man. For example in the 78th Psalm and take a look how this evil spirits use the forces of nature. They remembered not his hand, nor the day when he delivered them from the enemy. How he had wrought his signs in Egypt, and his wonders in the field of Zoan: And had turned their rivers into blood; and their floods, that they could not drink. He sent divers sorts of flies among them, which devoured them; and frogs, which destroyed them. He gave also their increase unto the caterpillar, and their labour unto the locust. He destroyed their vines with hail, and their sycamore trees with frost. He gave up their cattle also to the hail, and their flocks to hot thunderbolts. He cast upon them the fierceness of his anger, wrath, and indignation, and trouble, by sending evil angels among them. (Psalms 78:42-49) In this case you see the evil spirit use the men to carry out the Lord's order.Firstly, bro.tan satan didnt destroy Job's house, the Lord did and rebuilt it!!
Then came to him all his brothers and sisters and all who had known him before, and ate bread with him in his house. And they showed him sympathy and comforted him for all the evil that the LORD had brought upon him. And each of them gave him a piece of money and a ring of gold. Job 42:11
The adversary (satan) is unknown but most likely either an Angel of the Lord questioning God's motives with Job or a jealous brother in his community.
Bro. tan, there is no reference to a fallen angels in the OT - the subject is totally silent.
F2F
I'm not sure we on the same spiritual side here, because I don't remember you asking me, what is Ezekiel 28 is teaching. That chapter can be broken down in three parts, from 1-10, from 11-19, then from 20-26. Also I'm starting to believe that you have another belief or thought about the chapter. If thats the case you enlightening me on what the chapter is teaching.I asked if you know what Ezekiel 28 is teaching - I dont think you do...just wanting to confirm that with you.
King of Tyre or a Supernatural Creature of Darkness
What is the broader context of Ezekiel 28? Ezekiel 28:1 The word of the Lord came to me: of Tyre, ‘This is what the sovereign Lord says:“ ‘Your heart is proud and you said, “I am a god; Ezekiel 28:11 The word of the Lord came to me: a lament for the king of Tyre, and say to him, ‘This is what...www.christianityboard.com
I think it will become apparent what Ezekiel 28 is not about.
F2F
According to the Bible Paul say in Epesians 6: 10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. 11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. 13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. 14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; 15 and your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; 16 above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. 17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God: 18 praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;The armour of God is weakness, faith, weak in Christ ( to death) but we live with Him by the POWER OF GOD.
You inferred it was teaching you about a fallen angel however it is not - why don't you read and study the chapter before ascribing false teaching to it?I'm not sure we on the same spiritual side here, because I don't remember you asking me, what is Ezekiel 28 is teaching. That chapter can be broken down in three parts, from 1-10, from 11-19, then from 20-26. Also I'm starting to believe that you have another belief or thought about the chapter. If thats the case you enlightening me on what the chapter is teaching.
peace in Jesus
Again, you enlightening me on what the chapter is teaching since my teaching is false. Jesus says in Matthew 5: 10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for their's is the kingdom of heaven. 11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. 12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.You inferred it was teaching you about a fallen angel however it is not - why don't you read and study the chapter before ascribing false teaching to it?
Tan, you have explained very little in this thread other than make a number of gross assumption, inferred error on the text and now you have the audacity to infer I am a wolf?Again, you enlightening me on what the chapter is teaching since my teaching is false. Jesus says in Matthew 5: 10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for their's is the kingdom of heaven. 11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. 12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
I know the spirit on you, no love, no fellowship in the word of God. You could of came to me in brotherly love and discuss the chapter, but this is how come. Pauls says in Roman 12: 9 Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good. 10 Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another; 11 not slothful in business; fervent in spirit; serving the Lord;
I post at least 10 or 11 parts to this lesson I don't believe you took the time read them all, but this is the way you comment. I see the spirit on you, I see. Jesus says in Matthew 10: 16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.