Q for JW- KIEW?

[PS95]

This is YHWH speaking to Moses - not an angel as you claim.

So YHWH said to Moses, “I will also do this thing that you have spoken; for you have found grace in My sight, and I know you by name.”

And he said, “Please, show me Your glory.”

Then He said, “I will make all My goodness pass before you, and I will proclaim the name of the Lord before you. I will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.”
But He said, “You cannot see My face; for no man shall see Me, and live.”
And YHWH said, “Here is a place by Me, and you shall stand on the rock. So it shall be, while My glory passes by, that I will put you in the cleft of the rock, and will cover you with My hand while I pass by.
Then I will take away My hand, and you shall see My back; but My face shall not be seen.
Exodus 33:17-23

Is that it? The end of a frustrating thread that shows
JWs do not teach that Jesus's blood washes and forgives our sins and gives us new life--
and instead they substitute their own dead bodies as paying their own sin debt?
So that they will be auto-resurrected (thanks to Jesus) since they physically died and are now declared sinless by dying.
If it wasn't for Jesus- they would have just stay sleeping in their graves peacefully..
To top that off- they teach the deeds done in this life do not matter at judgment- why? cause they DIED and are now all paid up.

So, they get 1000 years to live on paradise earth in mortal bodies with a sinful? nature and must not sin once or poof dead.
ruled over by elect JWs in heaven along with Apostles etc and Michael (Jesus is dead forever)
Michael's life force left Jesus at Calvary and went back to heaven where God re-created Michael with that life force, since Michael went out of existence when his life force went to Mary's ovum..

That's grace & truth of the scriptures to them.
THIS IS ALL DOCUMENTED.

I am unsure of anything more UN-Christian disguising itself as Christian. Denying the precious forgiveness of our sins in Christ and the new birth makes for a terrible disaster of a manmade religion.

............and here we are trying to reason with them that it was God who spoke with Moses? uh boy

 

[David in NJ]

Is that it? The end of a frustrating thread that shows
JWs do not teach that Jesus's blood washes and forgives our sins and gives us new life--
and instead they substitute their own dead bodies as paying their own sin debt?
So that they will be auto-resurrected (thanks to Jesus) since they physically died and are now declared sinless by dying.
If it wasn't for Jesus- they would have just stay sleeping in their graves peacefully..
To top that off- they teach the deeds done in this life do not matter at judgment- why? cause they DIED and are now all paid up.

So, they get 1000 years to live on paradise earth in mortal bodies with a sinful? nature and must not sin once or poof dead.
ruled over by elect JWs in heaven along with Apostles etc and Michael (Jesus is dead forever)
Michael's life force left Jesus at Calvary and went back to heaven where God re-created Michael with that life force, since Michael went out of existence when his life force went to Mary's ovum..

That's grace & truth of the scriptures to them.
THIS IS ALL DOCUMENTED.

I am unsure of anything more UN-Christian disguising itself as Christian. Denying the precious forgiveness of our sins in Christ and the new birth makes for a terrible disaster of a manmade religion.

............and here we are trying to reason with them that it was God who spoke with Moses? uh boy

the Foundation of Truth = "Who was speaking to Moses" = FATHER or the Word that was God from the Beginning???

No other Foundation then the Word that was God and became flesh = Lord Jesus Christ

A long time ago the Holy Spirit taught me Sola Scriptura = and HE keeps on teaching me everyday from the Word

The things you pointed out are for you to communicate with = "one plants another waters but God brings the increase"

Had someone asked me of those things which you brought up, i would of entered into that discussion.

SHALOM my Brother in CRIST

 

[PS95]

the Foundation of Truth = "Who was speaking to Moses" = FATHER or the Word that was God from the Beginning???

No other Foundation then the Word that was God and became flesh = Lord Jesus Christ

A long time ago the Holy Spirit taught me Sola Scriptura = and HE keeps on teaching me everyday from the Word

The things you pointed out are for you to communicate with = "one plants another waters but God brings the increase"

Had someone asked me of those things which you brought up, i would of entered into that discussion.

SHALOM my Brother in CRIST

oh I understand bro, I was wrapping up the thread for those who hate reading long ones.
I hold out some hope for JWs on here when I post but for the most part I believe it's for lurkers- an inoculation so to speak. Most know that JWs deny deity of Christ, but they do not know that they also deny Christ's blood as washing our sins in forgiveness. - a basic non debatable.
Yet people don't know- They are secretive about it. To be honest, it would have been nice to have back up help with the issue I was addressing here- but no one did. They went off on other topics. A tad frustrating for me.

As to Jws here - recall Lizbeth's comment about cog dis? reread the rest of it- she nailed the issue. I didn't reply because I didn't want to upset the people there. the roots of this goes back to that, and of that I am certain. I have seen it first-hand many times.
I just think it isn't very useful to bring it up when trying to help someone.
But again are who are we trying to help? Posting scripture to those under influence- is that helpful? I'm thinking no.

 

[David in NJ]

oh I understand bro, I was wrapping up the thread for those who hate reading long ones.
I hold out some hope for JWs on here when I post but for the most part I believe it's for lurkers- an inoculation so to speak. Most know that JWs deny deity of Christ, but they do not know that they also deny Christ's blood as washing our sins in forgiveness. - a basic non debatable.
Yet people don't know- They are secretive about it. To be honest, it would have been nice to have back up help with the issue I was addressing here- but no one did. They went off on other topics. A tad frustrating for me.

As to Jws here - recall Lizbeth's comment about cog dis? reread the rest of it- she nailed the issue. I didn't reply because I didn't want to upset the people there. the roots of this goes back to that, and of that I am certain. I have seen it first-hand many times.
I just think it isn't very useful to bring it up when trying to help someone.
But again are who are we trying to help? Posting scripture to those under influence- is that helpful? I'm thinking no.

As to Jws here - recall Lizbeth's comment about cog dis? reread the rest of it- she nailed the issue.

BINGO

I didn't reply because I didn't want to upset the people there.

DITTO

To be honest, it would have been nice to have back up help with the issue I was addressing here- but no one did.

i hold back a lot of times because some get upset with 'help'

As long as it is OK with you i will gladly 'tag-team' in the Holy Spirit with you.

Afterall, the Lord did send the disciples out in groups of two.

SHALOM

 

[Keiw]

Is that it? The end of a frustrating thread that shows
JWs do not teach that Jesus's blood washes and forgives our sins and gives us new life--
and instead they substitute their own dead bodies as paying their own sin debt?
So that they will be auto-resurrected (thanks to Jesus) since they physically died and are now declared sinless by dying.
If it wasn't for Jesus- they would have just stay sleeping in their graves peacefully..
To top that off- they teach the deeds done in this life do not matter at judgment- why? cause they DIED and are now all paid up.

So, they get 1000 years to live on paradise earth in mortal bodies with a sinful? nature and must not sin once or poof dead.
ruled over by elect JWs in heaven along with Apostles etc and Michael (Jesus is dead forever)
Michael's life force left Jesus at Calvary and went back to heaven where God re-created Michael with that life force, since Michael went out of existence when his life force went to Mary's ovum..

That's grace & truth of the scriptures to them.
THIS IS ALL DOCUMENTED.

I am unsure of anything more UN-Christian disguising itself as Christian. Denying the precious forgiveness of our sins in Christ and the new birth makes for a terrible disaster of a manmade religion.

............and here we are trying to reason with them that it was God who spoke with Moses? uh boy

Gods judgement against sin= the wages sin pays is death. If Jesus covers ones sins none would die. (Acts 3:19= REPENT to get sins blotted out.
Jesus death does cover sins= those who live to see the tribulation and Armageddon whom God declared righteous, who are brought through might never taste death. The little flock changed in the twinkling of an eye during the tribulation will never taste death.
Over that 1000 year period all will be made back to perfection.
Michael can choose to be Jesus whenever he wants-- See Rev 19:11=Jesus back in heaven for over 2000 years give or take. God has full trust in Michael/Jesus.
So you posted many untruths misleading all who listen to you.

 

[PS95]

Gods judgement against sin= the wages sin pays is death. If Jesus covers ones sins none would die. (Acts 3:19= REPENT to get sins blotted out.
Jesus death does cover sins= those who live to see the tribulation and Armageddon whom God declared righteous, who are brought through might never taste death. The little flock changed in the twinkling of an eye during the tribulation will never taste death.
Over that 1000 year period all will be made back to perfection.
Michael can choose to be Jesus whenever he wants-- See Rev 19:11=Jesus back in heaven for over 2000 years give or take. God has full trust in Michael/Jesus.
So you posted many untruths misleading all who listen to you.

Yes Keiw, The wages of sin is death. Now, please listen to me. Have you ever had a job? Did you get paid? Were you paid because you earned it? ok. So you did something and the boss paid you what you deserved, right? Does your work earn you anything aside from the payment owed to you? no. He did not promise you a bonus check for working. He promised you your pay.
SAME THING-
God promised DEATH to Adam and to us for sins. Nothing more. DEATH. That's your pay.
it's the same thing- God pays your wages. you sinned- you get what you earned= DEATH. That means nothing more and nothing less than that. You get what you earned if you sin and we all have-- without Jesus having forgiven your sins. That pays death.

BUT that sentence continues for your OPTION- DEATH OR--- the GOOD NEWS--- BUT the GIFT of God is eternal life in Jesus Christ.
You want death- live in sin and don't receive forgiveness and you will die and you will not be resurrected to LIFE but to condemnation no matter how hard you want life. You refused JESUS' blood= forgiveness of sins!

Once you grasp that truth you we can talk about the rest. I am not holding out any hope at this point.

 

[David in NJ]

Gods judgement against sin= the wages sin pays is death. If Jesus covers ones sins none would die. (Acts 3:19= REPENT to get sins blotted out.
Jesus death does cover sins= those who live to see the tribulation and Armageddon whom God declared righteous, who are brought through might never taste death. The little flock changed in the twinkling of an eye during the tribulation will never taste death.
Over that 1000 year period all will be made back to perfection.
Michael can choose to be Jesus whenever he wants-- See Rev 19:11=Jesus back in heaven for over 2000 years give or take. God has full trust in Michael/Jesus.
So you posted many untruths misleading all who listen to you.

JESUS is talking about Eternity - Eternal Death = the Second Death

And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write,

‘These things says the First and the Last, who was dead, and came to life: “I know your works, tribulation, and poverty (but you are rich); and I know the blasphemy of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.
Do not fear any of those things which you are about to suffer.
Indeed, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and you will have tribulation ten days.
Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life.

“He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes shall not be hurt by the second death.” ’

 

[Keiw]

Yes Keiw, The wages of sin is death. Now, please listen to me. Have you ever had a job? Did you get paid? Were you paid because you earned it? ok. So you did something and the boss paid you what you deserved, right? Does your work earn you anything aside from the payment owed to you? no. He did not promise you a bonus check for working. He promised you your pay.
SAME THING-
God promised DEATH to Adam and to us for sins. Nothing more. DEATH. That's your pay.
it's the same thing- God pays your wages. you sinned- you get what you earned= DEATH. That means nothing more and nothing less than that. You get what you earned if you sin and we all have-- without Jesus having forgiven your sins. That pays death.

BUT that sentence continues for your OPTION- DEATH OR--- the GOOD NEWS--- BUT the GIFT of God is eternal life in Jesus Christ.
You want death- live in sin and don't receive forgiveness and you will die and you will not be resurrected to LIFE but to condemnation no matter how hard you want life. You refused JESUS' blood= forgiveness of sins!

Once you grasp that truth you we can talk about the rest. I am not holding out any hope at this point.

Only those who are living now to do Jesus' Fathers will( Matt 7:21) over self in this satan ruled system all the way until their end( Matt 10:22) will get to enter Gods kingdom.= FEW Jesus said)--( and those who get resurrected)

 

[David in NJ]

Only those who are living now to do Jesus' Fathers will( Matt 7:21) over self in this satan ruled system all the way until their end( Matt 10:22) will get to enter Gods kingdom.= FEW Jesus said)--( and those who get resurrected)

What is the 1st Commandment?

 

[The Learner]

The 11th command is obey your wife

 

[David in NJ]

The 11th command is obey your wife

The 12th is Go Fishing when the 11th fails.

 

[PS95]

Only those who are living now to do Jesus' Fathers will( Matt 7:21) over self in this satan ruled system all the way until their end( Matt 10:22) will get to enter Gods kingdom.= FEW Jesus said)--( and those who get resurrected)

Context points a finger at?--- (false prophets)

15“Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16You will [p]know them by their fruits. [q]Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes, nor figs from thistles, are they? 17So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. 18A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20So then, you will [r]know them by their fruits.
21“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. 22Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracle? And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; LEAVE ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.’