Qualifications for marrying/doing funerals

[bbyrd009]

"The best cure for Christianity is reading the Bible!"
lol

 

[amadeus]

I think my big concern is when I asked if he would marry a homosexual couple, he said he didn't know, what would I do. I told him I felt it was a sin in God's eyes. He says he doesnt understand what a tithe is still...and doesnt feel comfortable just going to someone and openly sharing their faith unless they come to Him. I don't ever see him pray or eager to share what God is showing him in His Word. I was even questioning if he was a believer for awhile. If I thought I knew when I married and he is not. He goes to church, but isnt even going right now, because I am trying another and he doesnt feel comfortable. So I am just a bit unsure. It is a good work. But I think as his wife my job is to support him and trust God He knows his motives and where he is in his walk. And perhaps this would help him grow in faith.

I have wanted to be ordained in children's ministry for several years. My pastor said I could, but they never did. I just thought perhaps there are areas in my spiritual walk I needed to grow in and didnt push it. I still have that burning desire more for an anointing in it. I don't know what ordination does. I just know it is a big decision. I just was shocked when my husband came to me. Because I prayed, "God, he doesnt have to be an ordained minister or anything, but please show me where my husband's walk with You is." God has a sense of humor. :)

I really wouldn't worry much about the ordination for funerals but for weddings he wants to be sure that the ceremony is recognized by secular authorities. Even this is not a problem for your husband but it could be important to the marrying couple.

Who really ordains a minister is God. He is the One that calls a person and anoints him to a work, but as you see in the scriptures, He sometimes has a man anoint [ordain?] the person. Is it necessary to have such a formal ordination by men? God knows. Of course if you belong to a formally organized church of men that requires it to serve then you may be bound by that. What God wants you and your husband to do is the most important thing. Always you want to be certain what God's will is for you.

 

[JohnPaul]

If you dig a pit for others, you end up in it yourself JP, right. Most ppl that you deem "Christians" are actually Mithraists, ok, and you can even search "Mithraism and Christianity" for more on that, but it should be patently obvious, esp if you are an "American," with the Mercury, and the Apollo, and the District of Columbia, and Liberte in the harbor and all that?

No one has ever gone up to heaven
There is only One Immortal
You and your sons will be here with me
see those are all in the Book too ok
No Son of Man may die for another's sins
see, how are these fitting in with your pov?

Lord Jesus forgive this man for he knows not what he says or does. With these words I shall say no more to you.

 

[bbyrd009]

Lord Jesus forgive this man for he knows not what he says or does. With these words I shall say no more to you.

works for me JP, but that is Scripture, ok? Best of luck to you in your quest for immortality though, i am honestly pulling for you ok? See what that is if you will ok, see i can do it too alright "Lord Jesus please forgive this errant sinner who does not know, and has accepted everything blindly without testing it, that he may come to understand" see? It's just a way to elevate yourself, ok. And trust me you are way more righteous than me already, i am an evil guy!

Iow that prayer is an example, i do not think that way about you even now ok. When you think logically that requires that any new information that does not comport with what you already "believe" be disregarded or dismissed, even if it comes from right out of the Book!

So either address those Scriptures or do not, and you get to choose which ok? Not me, you.

 

[bbyrd009]

I really wouldn't worry much about the ordination for funerals but for weddings he wants to be sure that the ceremony is recognized by secular authorities. Even this is not a problem for your husband but it could be important to the marrying couple.

Who really ordains a minister is God. He is the One that calls a person and anoints him to a work, but as you see in the scriptures, He sometimes has a man anoint [ordain?] the person. Is it necessary to have such a formal ordination by men? God knows. Of course if you belong to a formally organized church of men that requires it to serve then you may be bound by that. What God wants you and your husband to do is the most important thing. Always you want to be certain what God's will is for you.

a similar reflection there might be that the boss is chosen and hired by the ceo or whoever, but the leader of men arises naturally from their interactions? He is the guy everyone else looks to, and he may not even be aware of his um status?

 

[amadeus]

Exactly ByGrace, my manager at my job who is not a good person, became ordained just to marry a family member, he married one of my coworkers and I said to myself how are those marriages valid in the eyes of God?

Can a couple be married outside of church and without some “ordained “ person performing the ceremony?

I’ve asked this question in another thread, but no one has answered it.

What is valid to God? The sincere commitment of the two people being joined in a marriage ceremony makes it valid to God... so long as neither of the two is playing games with the other or with to God.

The validity under secular law is something that varies from state to state and nation to nation. Only a very few states these days recognize as valid a common law marriage established within their jurisdiction, but all states in the United States recognized as valid any marriage considered legal by another state. [I speak not about same sex marriages which are a whole new thing since I retired from Social Security and had to deal with these things.]

The number of divorces is an indication that someone did not understand what marriage was, or did not know his/her potential spouse very well or did not really know what commitment meant.

 

[amadeus]

Ya, those are corporations wadr, not church. You are Church i think?
Living Stones

Interpretation? Hmmm?
Roughly:
By corporations he is saying that most churches established by men have placed themselves under government [rather that of God alone] monitoring and even control by forming a non-taxable corporation with a tax exempt status with the IRS that is recognized by the lower secular governments. See 501c3 of Internal Revenue Service Code for details with regard to ministers. If people cheat they can lose the exemption. Even if they have not really cheated but IRS rules that they have... well...? How much are we trusting men rather than God. Do we trust our government and the men who are employed by it? I was one of them for many years so I have some personal experience.

By the "church" versus the "Church" he is referring to what men have established and organized rather than the group of people which are to make up the Church.

 

[amadeus]

Was not Manna the food God sent from heaven to sustain the Exodus?

I am not good at interpreting scripture, I simply believe blindly without question.

Manna = What is it?

When the children of Israel first saw the stuff on the ground they did not know what it was that became its name: What is it?

 

[Nancy]

Manna = What is it?

When the children of Israel first saw the stuff on the ground they did not know what it was that became its name: What is it?

Off the top of my head, I will say that the Manna from Heaven was the Bread of Life...Christ. Or representative of Christ?

 

[bbyrd009]

Manna = What is it?

When the children of Israel first saw the stuff on the ground they did not know what it was that became its name: What is it?

um, supposedly, ok, for that, right. that is the two eyed interp iow? Ppl literally seeing some stuff with theor two eyes on the ground and not knowing what it is, so they called it what is it?

lol, "theor" is not even a word, yet this thing does not even blink lol, yikes

 

[Pearl]

You also said."I think my big concern is when I asked if he would marry a homosexual couple, he said he didn't know, what would I do. I told him I felt it was a sin in God's eyes. He says he doesnt understand what a tithe is still...and doesnt feel comfortable just going to someone and openly sharing their faith unless they come to Him. I don't ever see him pray or eager to share what God is showing him in His Word. I was even questioning if he was a believer for awhile.?"

A simple answer would be to say don't even think about it.

He might be caring and compasionate, but can he handle the problems of performing these services.
As already mentioned how would he deal with a request to marry a homosexul couple?
He is asked to bury someone. What is he going to say about this dead person, will he assume they were a Christian or will he say words that enable a piece of meat to be put in the ground.
How will he councel parents whose child has died?
Has hge the maturity as a Christian to talk to non christians about Jesus?
What sort of sermon would he give?

Suggest in stead thast he starts attending church every sunday and that he seeks to volunterr to help whereever needed.

I have a friend who is a registrar for the local town council and is licenced to be able to carry our marriages either at the registry office as well as various different venues like hotels etc, but I'm not sure about funerals (I will ask her). In the UK all marriages have to have a registrar present to keep the records, even in churches, apart from the Church of England where the vicars are licenced to perform weddings. It is definitely not a pastoral role but merely a job, but having said that a person can bring their own personality and something of themselves to any job.

 

[bbyrd009]

Off the top of my head, I will say that the Manna from Heaven was the Bread of Life...Christ. Or representative of Christ?

contemplate if you will that that manna that we are presented as being a literal thing, that might have been seen with two eyes right, is actually a spiritual thing, the bread of life, Christ. You too can eat what is it? today then, see. He who says he knows, does not

 

[amadeus]

Off the top of my head, I will say that the Manna from Heaven was the Bread of Life...Christ. Or representative of Christ?

Our daily bread, no, with a double portion on the 6th day. Hmmm?

 

[bbyrd009]

The sincere commitment of the two people being joined in a marriage ceremony makes it valid to God... so long as neither of the two is playing games with the other or with to God.

um, nor crossing their fingers behind their backs, G?
Imo you make a commitment when you consummate, and if it is not sincere then The State will correct your thinkin in a right hurry lol. Marriage ceremonies have a place imo, dont get me wrong, but what place, we might ask

 

[amadeus]

um, supposedly, ok, for that, right. that is the two eyed interp iow? Ppl literally seeing some stuff with theor two eyes on the ground and not knowing what it is, so they called it what is it?

One step at the time, my friend. Even when we know the name is Jesus, how well do we know him?

lol, "theor" is not even a word, yet this thing does not even blink lol, yikes

Spellcheck problem?

 

[bbyrd009]

Spellcheck problem?

ha well more like a consistency problem, thing does basically whatever it wants lol.
Prolly a good point on the other, i'm way to idealistic i guess

 

[Nancy]

contemplate if you will that that manna that we are presented as being a literal thing, that might have been seen with two eyes right, is actually a spiritual thing, the bread of life, Christ. You too can eat what is it? today then, see. He who says he knows, does not

I know the manna was a literal thing back in the exodus from Egypt. But my thoughts have always gone to the shadow of Jesus, The Living Word...The BREAD of Life...we eat on His WORD (manna, spiritually) daily.

 

[amadeus]

um, nor crossing their fingers behind their backs, G?
Imo you make a commitment when you consummate, and if it is not sincere then The State will correct your thinkin in a right hurry lol. Marriage ceremonies have a place imo, dont get me wrong, but what place, we might ask

You would not, I guess, be surprised at how many people would try to establish a marital relationship when there was financial advantage or to establish that there was NO marital relationship when that was financially advantageous.

For example, I remember one lady who came in to file for Social Security widow's benefits based on a common-law marriage to a man now deceased. It looked OK until I checked the SSI (Supplementary Security Income) record where she had signed an application and received payments stating that she was NOT holding out as a couple with that same man at that same address for the same time period. Both of them received a higher SSI payment as a result. I denied her widow's claim. There was no fraud because she had never received a widow's payment [no money=no fraud]. Nevertheless she was an unhappy camper.

 

[bbyrd009]

You would not, I guess, be surprised at how many people would try to establish a marital relationship when there was financial advantage or to establish that there was NO marital relationship when that was financially advantageous.

For example, I remember one lady who came in to file for Social Security widow's benefits based on a common-law marriage to a man now deceased. It looked OK until I checked the SSI (Supplementary Security Income) record where she had signed an application and received payments stating that she was NOT holding out as a couple with that same man at that same address for the same time period. Both of them received a higher SSI payment as a result. I denied her widow's claim. There was no fraud because she had never received a widow's payment [no money=no fraud]. Nevertheless she was an unhappy camper.

hey, in the world we all wanna have our cake and eat it too right, i'm no different!

 

[amadeus]

hey, in the world we all wanna have our cake and eat it too right, i'm no different!

While we are IN the world this kind of thing is always biting at our heels. Until we get out of this world, it will be so. Jesus did... even before he died on the cross:

"And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are. While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled" John 17:11-12

Jesus kept them and is able to keep us also, is he not? What does that take?