Redemption... Hopeless for some souls?

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Mark G.

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Are there certain situations where a person is lost or beyond redemption?

No, it is only the sin identity that is lost and beyond redemption.

However, if the soul identifies with it and thinks that it is it, then it will go beyond into the hell dimension with it... Sometimes the soul enjoys 'being it' and goes along with it until it gets ambushed severely and almost gets killed. Then it may change it's mind and turn back to God.

Remember, our souls do not have any identity of themselves. We are merely channels. However, if the soul approves of the 'sin identity', then it will fuse more and more with it. And then when the body dies then the soul will be sucked along with it
into hell.So the important thing is to progressively detach from this demon identity.

Although it acts like our friends sometimes like it wants to help us, again it is two faced and betrays us in the process time and time again.However, it has no power except that which we, (the soul), give it.. by believing we are it. That is our only power, to believe we are it or not.

To believe we are channels that have been possessed by this thing. To know that we are like a car that has been stolen and is being driven by a convict. This type of belief is the way back. But a price may need to be payed, the price of waiting.
Perhaps God does not want to give us complete salvation all at once, then our foolish souls would not value it. So, if we 'endure to the end' we shall be saved.

Our Kingdom is not of this world however.. it seems.. that our bodies must die so that our souls may pass on into this 'other' Kingdom.

It, that is, the creature inside that sins, is always beyond redemption. And sooner or later may fade away or occasional exorcism. Sometimes this 'sin identity' will hang around because it wants to stay 'employed'.

This lasts for different amounts of time depending on the individual and circumstances and it's past, and what happened in it's past. And also depending on weather the individual had found God once and rejected Him and now wants to come back. It is a harder road back the second time, for evidently, God doesn't like souls that 'play games' with it's salvation.

But, salvation is a gift of course, which the soul doesn't deserve in the first place. So were lucky if we get it anyway, even if it is not on a silver platter, ready to order.

It is this creature that is afraid to die and afraid it will go to hell. But remember, it is it fearing, and not you, and you are not it fearing. In fact, you can't fear because a soul doesn't have feelings... nor does a soul have the capacity to think. The soul is merely a channel and as such has only the power to channel good (God conciousness) or evil (Animal conciousness).

Remember, it (evil) constantly fools you being very suttle like a snake in the grass. It mimicks you voice sound when it talks to you to make you think that you are it. It uses the pro-noun 'I' when it talks to you making you think it is you thinking. Or it talks to you as if it were a counselor giving you advice, saying, "well, you should do this or that" in a nice sonorus voice. It plays all kinds of tricks, every day, all day, and the soul needs to just ignore it, and know that it
is not you.

As in the bible says 'Beware the wiles of the devil'... not a guy with horns and a tail, but a virus that feeds off the soul. Sooner or later, progressively, with the meditation which can help, it decreases and the God intuition identity increases.

Slowly, the bad days get shorter and the good days get longer. But it may be a lone journey, as there are few there be that find this road. But there are many that are waiting for you to come along and help them by this message or like it. They may seem like they like there life-style or ways, but inside they may be a desperate prisoner in quiet desperation, waiting to be freed from there inner prison... the prison of there mind.
 

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I don't know.....sometimes I think giving into a life of sin can in a way sanctify you for Hell. I am thinking about the obvious examples like serial killers......Ted Bundy gave a lot of lip service before he was executed about being a born again Christian, but was his heart even capable?
 

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It would not have been him that changed his heart, so yes - unless you question Christ's redemptive power - it is absolutely possible.
 

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It would not have been him that changed his heart, so yes - unless you question Christ's redemptive power - it is absolutely possible.

Well, anything is possible, so using you logic we shouldn't be surprised to see everyone in Heaven
 

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Well, anything is possible, so using you logic we shouldn't be surprised to see everyone in Heaven

No, using Biblical logic it's the prerogative of God to change a heart, meaning were are incapable of determining whose heart has been changed with certainty.

I Corinthians 4:5
Therefore do not pronounce judgment before the time, before the Lord comes, who will bring to light the things now hidden in darkness and will disclose the purposes of the heart. Then each one will receive his commendation from God.

Elsewhere God is called the heart-knower, it's one of his New Testament titles (Acts 1:24). I know some will disagree with me, and that's fine, but I would not be totally surprised to see Judas in heaven.

As far as the OP, some of the language you've used seems either New Age or at least dualistic in nature. Which, this being a clear copy and paste job, would seem to indicate this to be true on your soapbox.
 

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Well, anything is possible, so using you logic we shouldn't be surprised to see everyone in Heaven

[sub]-- Just to add to what Hammerstone said:[/sub]

"No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day." - John 6:44
 

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1st John 2:2 says,

2 and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins ;
and not for ours only, but also for those of the
whole world.

His Blood covered all sins two thousand years ago... so no one is hopeless, because
of the act that was performed by Jesus Christ. He purchased the whole world and
the whole world has been covered.

Logabe