Reformers Month

[Lifelong_sinner]

These catholics just cant take a hint.

 

[theefaith]

These catholics just cant take a hint.

Oh I’m sorry I thought I was on my thread. Oops nobody’s perfect

 

[Desire Of All Nations]

the reformers never said that. This thread is for reformation principles. Why are you posting here if you dont accept them?

Before i address your question as to why i posted here, i'm going to conclusively prove the Reformers did in fact teach people to reject God's commandments:

"As for the Sabbath, we be lords of the Sabbath, and yet may change it into Monday, or into any other day as we see need, or may make ever tenth day holy only if we see cause why." - William Tyndale

"If we would have the Lord's day so bound in time that it shall be wickedness to transfer it to another time, in which resting from our labors equally as in that, we may hear the word of God, if necessity haply shall so require, this day so solicitously observed, would obtrude on us as a ceremony. For we are in no way bound to time, but time ought so serve us, that it is lawful, and permitted to each church, when necessity urges(as is usual to be done in harvest time, to transfer the solemnity and rest of the Lord's day, or Sabbath, to some other day." - Ulrich Zwingli

An objective person can see the sheer arrogance these men possessed to authoritatively decide they and individual churches possessed the power to transfer the sacredness of the Sabbath to another day. But that arrogance was prophesied in Dan. 7:25. Even though it specifically speaks of the pope, it is equally applicable to the Reformers because the Reformers and the false brand of Christianity they produced are all part of the same system described in Rev. 17.

"We now keep no more the Sabbath on Saturday as the Jews do; but we observe the Sunday, and certain other days as the magistrates do judge convenient(no doubt speaking of Easter and other festivals condemned in the Bible), whom in this thing we ought to obey." - Thomas Cranmer

Aside from the fact that Cranmer disavowed the biblical Sabbath, he said the Protestants were supposed to obey the civil authorities in regards to what should be celebrated instead of God. That is a clear disregard for the 1st great commandment that says love for God is supposed to come first.

"Luther was so zealous to maintain the doctrine of justification by faith, that he was prepared even to call in question the authority of some of the scriptures, which seemed to him not to be reconcilable with it(his doctrine that Christians didn't need to obey God). To the Epistle of James, especially, his expressions indicate the strongest repugnance." - Dr. Barnas Sears

A thorough study of James shows why Luther hated it so much: James reinforced the Christian obligation to live according to God's commandments, that those commandments will be the measuring stick by which all will be judged when they have to stand before Christ, and that true Christian freedom can only come by keeping those commandments. It's not a shock that Luther would hate this book, because his idea of Christian freedom came from a desire to do whatever he wanted apart from the standards that God revealed in the Decalogue.

"However, the ancients have not without sufficient reason substituted what we call the Lord's day in the room of the Sabbath. For since the resurrection of the Lord is the end and consummation of that true rest, which was adumbrated by the ancient Sabbath; the same day which put an end to the shadows, admonishes Christians not to keep a shadowy ceremony." - John Calvin

Aside from the fact that Calvin is clearly historically wrong since Acts shows post-conversion Paul keeping the Sabbath as he always did, Calvin made the same dishonest argument many "Christians" do today that somehow Christ's death and resurrection meant the commanded Sabbath had no further relevance(even though Paul can be seen teaching the opposite was true in Heb. 4:1-10). All 10 commandments are relevant, and there isn't a single passage in the Bible that teaches Christ's resurrection abolished the obligation of the commanded Sabbath.

In regards to your question about why i decided to post here despite not believing what the Reformers taught, the answer should be fairly obvious to you: i came here with the intention to expose the lot of them for being the false teachers that they clearly were. Like many other Protestants, you worship and dote on the Reformers while knowing absolutely nothing about them other than the fact that they separated themselves from the ecclesiastical authority of the Catholic Church. The fact of the matter is that like Rev. 17:5 prophesied, those men left the Catholic Church to start equally satanic brands of Christianity.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

Before i address your question as to why i posted here, i'm going to conclusively prove the Reformers did in fact teach people to reject God's commandments:

"As for the Sabbath, we be lords of the Sabbath, and yet may change it into Monday, or into any other day as we see need, or may make ever tenth day holy only if we see cause why." - William Tyndale

"If we would have the Lord's day so bound in time that it shall be wickedness to transfer it to another time, in which resting from our labors equally as in that, we may hear the word of God, if necessity haply shall so require, this day so solicitously observed, would obtrude on us as a ceremony. For we are in no way bound to time, but time ought so serve us, that it is lawful, and permitted to each church, when necessity urges(as is usual to be done in harvest time, to transfer the solemnity and rest of the Lord's day, or Sabbath, to some other day." - Ulrich Zwingli

An objective person can see the sheer arrogance these men possessed to authoritatively decide they and individual churches possessed the power to transfer the sacredness of the Sabbath to another day. But that arrogance was prophesied in Dan. 7:25. Even though it specifically speaks of the pope, it is equally applicable to the Reformers because the Reformers and the false brand of Christianity they produced are all part of the same system described in Rev. 17.

"We now keep no more the Sabbath on Saturday as the Jews do; but we observe the Sunday, and certain other days as the magistrates do judge convenient(no doubt speaking of Easter and other festivals condemned in the Bible), whom in this thing we ought to obey." - Thomas Cranmer

Aside from the fact that Cranmer disavowed the biblical Sabbath, he said the Protestants were supposed to obey the civil authorities in regards to what should be celebrated instead of God. That is a clear disregard for the 1st great commandment that says love for God is supposed to come first.

"Luther was so zealous to maintain the doctrine of justification by faith, that he was prepared even to call in question the authority of some of the scriptures, which seemed to him not to be reconcilable with it(his doctrine that Christians didn't need to obey God). To the Epistle of James, especially, his expressions indicate the strongest repugnance." - Dr. Barnas Sears

A thorough study of James shows why Luther hated it so much: James reinforced the Christian obligation to live according to God's commandments, that those commandments will be the measuring stick by which all will be judged when they have to stand before Christ, and that true Christian freedom can only come by keeping those commandments. It's not a shock that Luther would hate this book, because his idea of Christian freedom came from a desire to do whatever he wanted apart from the standards that God revealed in the Decalogue.

"However, the ancients have not without sufficient reason substituted what we call the Lord's day in the room of the Sabbath. For since the resurrection of the Lord is the end and consummation of that true rest, which was adumbrated by the ancient Sabbath; the same day which put an end to the shadows, admonishes Christians not to keep a shadowy ceremony." - John Calvin

Aside from the fact that Calvin is clearly historically wrong since Acts shows post-conversion Paul keeping the Sabbath as he always did, Calvin made the same dishonest argument many "Christians" do today that somehow Christ's death and resurrection meant the commanded Sabbath had no further relevance(even though Paul can be seen teaching the opposite was true in Heb. 4:1-10). All 10 commandments are relevant, and there isn't a single passage in the Bible that teaches Christ's resurrection abolished the obligation of the commanded Sabbath.

In regards to your question about why i decided to post here despite not believing what the Reformers taught, the answer should be fairly obvious to you: i came here with the intention to expose the lot of them for being the false teachers that they clearly were. Like many other Protestants, you worship and dote on the Reformers while knowing absolutely nothing about them other than the fact that they separated themselves from the ecclesiastical authority of the Catholic Church. The fact of the matter is that like Rev. 17:5 prophesied, those men left the Catholic Church to start equally satanic brands of Christianity.

i actually have done quite a bit of study on the reformers, but we arent to throw our pearls before swine. You catholics just hate that they stopped the corrupt message and fake practices your faith had been forcing on people back in the day. There isnt a single error in what calvin said, the reformers in general merely took back the teachings of Jesus and restored true religion.

i always have been a protestant, and always will be. Ever ready to defend our faith and our God from false doctrines such as catholicism and the SDA’s.

 

[FHII]

To speak of the era of reformation must not be done without understanding history.

Until the mid 1300's Europe was growing.
Then came The Bubonic Plague.
1400's brought a thinner population, the end of manorialism and the Renaissance.
And Martin Luther! Along with the printing press.
Books and education increased.
Preachers and Theologians became more educated.
The Catholic Church (and I am speaking about historical fact) no longer had the power it had before to dictate what was the Word of God. More and more people understood the Bible.
With a more prosperous economy and education prospering, kings and princes stopped listening to the Pope because they saw a different side of the Bible.
Which was not all good... For example the Tudors.
And then, among all this change and crazieness... Something happened that altered the entire history of planet earth: America was found.

So when you think of the reformation, take note of all that happened to make it possible.

 

[Tong2020]

Before i address your question as to why i posted here, i'm going to conclusively prove the Reformers did in fact teach people to reject God's commandments:

"As for the Sabbath, we be lords of the Sabbath, and yet may change it into Monday, or into any other day as we see need, or may make ever tenth day holy only if we see cause why." - William Tyndale

"If we would have the Lord's day so bound in time that it shall be wickedness to transfer it to another time, in which resting from our labors equally as in that, we may hear the word of God, if necessity haply shall so require, this day so solicitously observed, would obtrude on us as a ceremony. For we are in no way bound to time, but time ought so serve us, that it is lawful, and permitted to each church, when necessity urges(as is usual to be done in harvest time, to transfer the solemnity and rest of the Lord's day, or Sabbath, to some other day." - Ulrich Zwingli

An objective person can see the sheer arrogance these men possessed to authoritatively decide they and individual churches possessed the power to transfer the sacredness of the Sabbath to another day. But that arrogance was prophesied in Dan. 7:25. Even though it specifically speaks of the pope, it is equally applicable to the Reformers because the Reformers and the false brand of Christianity they produced are all part of the same system described in Rev. 17.

"We now keep no more the Sabbath on Saturday as the Jews do; but we observe the Sunday, and certain other days as the magistrates do judge convenient(no doubt speaking of Easter and other festivals condemned in the Bible), whom in this thing we ought to obey." - Thomas Cranmer

Aside from the fact that Cranmer disavowed the biblical Sabbath, he said the Protestants were supposed to obey the civil authorities in regards to what should be celebrated instead of God. That is a clear disregard for the 1st great commandment that says love for God is supposed to come first.

"Luther was so zealous to maintain the doctrine of justification by faith, that he was prepared even to call in question the authority of some of the scriptures, which seemed to him not to be reconcilable with it(his doctrine that Christians didn't need to obey God). To the Epistle of James, especially, his expressions indicate the strongest repugnance." - Dr. Barnas Sears

A thorough study of James shows why Luther hated it so much: James reinforced the Christian obligation to live according to God's commandments, that those commandments will be the measuring stick by which all will be judged when they have to stand before Christ, and that true Christian freedom can only come by keeping those commandments. It's not a shock that Luther would hate this book, because his idea of Christian freedom came from a desire to do whatever he wanted apart from the standards that God revealed in the Decalogue.

"However, the ancients have not without sufficient reason substituted what we call the Lord's day in the room of the Sabbath. For since the resurrection of the Lord is the end and consummation of that true rest, which was adumbrated by the ancient Sabbath; the same day which put an end to the shadows, admonishes Christians not to keep a shadowy ceremony." - John Calvin

Aside from the fact that Calvin is clearly historically wrong since Acts shows post-conversion Paul keeping the Sabbath as he always did, Calvin made the same dishonest argument many "Christians" do today that somehow Christ's death and resurrection meant the commanded Sabbath had no further relevance(even though Paul can be seen teaching the opposite was true in Heb. 4:1-10). All 10 commandments are relevant, and there isn't a single passage in the Bible that teaches Christ's resurrection abolished the obligation of the commanded Sabbath.

In regards to your question about why i decided to post here despite not believing what the Reformers taught, the answer should be fairly obvious to you: i came here with the intention to expose the lot of them for being the false teachers that they clearly were. Like many other Protestants, you worship and dote on the Reformers while knowing absolutely nothing about them other than the fact that they separated themselves from the ecclesiastical authority of the Catholic Church. The fact of the matter is that like Rev. 17:5 prophesied, those men left the Catholic Church to start equally satanic brands of Christianity.

NT Scriptures ever warns, do not be deceived by doctrines and commandments of men. Rather, hear and obey Jesus Christ, and be taught by the Holy Spirit who dwells in the Christian, even through His inspired words written in scriptures. Remember what Paul said to Timothy regarding the Scriptures:

2Tim.3:14 But you must continue in the things which you have learned and been assured of, knowing from whom you have learned them, 15 and that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

And the Christian ought to remember always, with regards his walk in this life, in all that he does, and in his worshiping God:

John 4:24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”

Galatians 5:25
If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

Galatians 5: 16 I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

Let us not put a divide in terms of holy days, sabbaths, food and drink, and the precepts of the old covenant law, or what have you, as ought not to be. Rather, let us pray that all be one in all things pertaining to God. For, as Paul pointed out, where there are envy, strife, and divisions, are we not carnal and behaving like mere men? This should not be, if at all we are who we claim to be, Christians indwelled by the Spirit of God. For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.

What are the things of the Spirit? Are they such as what day should the Sabbath day be? Nope. The things of the Spirit, needless to say, are spirit and spiritual, such as are faith, hope, and love.

Tong
R4847

 

[Pythagorean12]

October is known to some protestants as the Reformation month. On Oct 31, 1517, Martin Luther, Nailed a copy of his 95 theses on a churchs door. No doubt martin luther revealed the falsehood of catholicism, and many would follow in Luthers footsteps, to include a john calvin.
Hundreds of years later, we still look back to teachings from those men who God used to reach others.
In 1862, William Cunningham, a presbyterian, wrote about calvin’s effect on Theology.

“We believe that it is impossible to bring out accurately, fully, and definitely, the sum and substance of what is taught in Scripture concerning the place which the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost hold in the salvation of sinners, without taking up Calvinistic ground, — without being in a manner necessitated to assert the fundamental principles of the Calvinistic system of theology. It is, we believe, impossible otherwise to do full justice, and to give full effect, to what Scripture teaches, concerning the sovereign supremacy of the Father in determining the everlasting destiny of His creatures, — concerning the death and righteousness of Christ, as of infinite worth and value, and as infallibly efficacious for securing all the great objects to which they are directed, — and concerning the agency of the Holy Spirit in certainly and infallibly uniting to Christ through faith all whom the Father had given to Him, and preserving them in safety unto His eternal kingdom.

Those who reject or put aside the peculiar doctrines of Calvinism can, we think, be shown to be practically, and by fair construction, withholding from God, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, more or less of the place and influence which the Scripture assigns to them in the salvation of sinners; and to be giving to men themselves, or at least to creatures, a share in effecting their salvation which the Scripture does not sanction. And when Calvinistic principles are rejected or thrown into the background, not only is something, more or less, of necessity taken from the Creator and assigned to the creature, but an opening is made, — an opportunity is left, — for carrying on this process of transferring to man what belongs to God to almost any extent, until the scriptural method of salvation is wholly set aside or overturned.”

William Cunningham, ‘John Calvin’ in The Reformers and the Theology of the Reformation, eds James Buchanan and James Bannerman (Edinburgh: T.&T. Clark, 1862), pp 337-39.

Reformers month. Never heard of it till now.
This must be what inspired theefaith's personal attack thread against all Protestants.

How it must burn to learn an entire month is dedicated to a mass exodus of conscious Christians from the cult that once had them enslaved to Satan.

 

[theefaith]

Reformers month. Never heard of it till now.
This must be what inspired theefaith's personal attack thread against all Protestants.

How it must burn to learn an entire month is dedicated to a mass exodus of conscious Christians from the cult that once had them enslaved to Satan.

Why are you continuing to attack Christ?

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

Reformers month. Never heard of it till now.
This must be what inspired theefaith's personal attack thread against all Protestants.

How it must burn to learn an entire month is dedicated to a mass exodus of conscious Christians from the cult that once had them enslaved to Satan.

yes, we have a whole month to celebrate a return to Gods true gospel and the escape from catholic oppression. And yea, the catholics on here went crazy about it. LoL

 

[theefaith]

yes, we have a whole month to celebrate a return to Gods true gospel and the escape from catholic oppression. And yea, the catholics on here went crazy about it. LoL

still would like to know by what authority?