Refuting Losing Salvation! (B)

[Davy]

God says He declares the end from the beginning. Isaiah 46:10. Davy is just letting his man-made religion come through instead of teaching the Bible.

Ah... contrare... mon ami.

What I have said about this matter comes strictly from Bible Scripture as written, like John 17, Matthew 20:16, Acts 9, Matthew 24:24, and many other New Testament writings which speak the warning against falling away to the coming false Messiah, like 2 Thessalonians 2 and Matthew 24:23-26. And of course the Thread topic in Hebrews 6.

Since you 'think' you are mocking me by your rejection of those above Scripture references I refer to, it shows you don't even know... what those Bible Scriptures are about. You only show off your BIBLICAL ILLITERACY.

 

[Davy]

OK, just in case the Biblically illiterate brethren here don't know what Calvinism is about, here's a tidbit.

Calvin believed Christ's Salvation has already... been determined upon those who are to be saved. That is Salvation by fate, not by one's Faith. If God already knows who will believe and who will not, then we all are just ROBOTS, and it would mean our love towards God is not REAL.

For example, those of you who have children. Do your FORCE your children to love you, or do you hope they will love you by their own free will?

Obviously, REAL love does not involve 'force', but instead the person's choice to love. That is why God gave each soul 'free will', including His angels, and yes, even Satan.

Why would Calvin then believe Salvation being a Fate thing already ordained for only certain individuals? It is because of his not... understanding those Scriptures which point to Christ's elect before the foundation of this world, like in Ephesians 1, Romans 8, and Revelation 13:8. But that actually only means Calvin did not yet understand the difference between the many that are called, yet few are chosen which Lord Jesus said.

And today, many brethren likewise are in that same position as Calvin, not understanding why many are called, but few are chosen, like Jesus said in Matthew 20:16. When Jesus spoke of those who have eyes to see, and ears to hear, that also is what He was pointing to, those chosen vs. those called only.

 

[Rudometkin]

Ah... contrare... mon ami.

What I have said about this matter comes strictly from Bible Scripture as written, like John 17, Matthew 20:16, Acts 9, Matthew 24:24, and many other New Testament writings which speak the warning against falling away to the coming false Messiah, like 2 Thessalonians 2 and Matthew 24:23-26. And of course the Thread topic in Hebrews 6.

Since you 'think' you are mocking me by your rejection of those above Scripture references I refer to, it shows you don't even know... what those Bible Scriptures are about. You only show off your BIBLICAL ILLITERACY.

I'm referring to your simple statement of God's lack of knowledge for man's free will.

God 'chooses' to not know who will fall away and who won't. It's a little thing He created called 'free will'.

Your statement is false. God knows everything. 1 John 3:20.

 

[Davy]

I'm referring to your simple statement of God's lack of knowledge for man's free will.


Your statement is false. God knows everything. 1 John 3:20.

Of course God knows everything, I never said He didn't. What I said was that He CHOOSES to not know who will believe, and who will not believe, and IF this were not so, then Calvinism would be true; but Calvinism is not true.

Moreover, to believe God has already 'ordained' who all will believe, and who will not believe, completely negates His offer of His Salvation through the Blood of His Son shed upon the cross that is only according to one's FAITH.

Gal 3:22
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
KJV

 

[Rudometkin]

Of course God knows everything, I never said He didn't. What I said was that He CHOOSES to not know who will believe, and who will not believe, and IF this were not so, then Calvinism would be true; but Calvinism is not true.

When God chooses to not know something, does He not know it?

 

[Davy]

When God chooses to not know something, does He not know it?

Is your belief on Jesus Christ your own, or is it by someone else? or did God make it for you?

 

[Rudometkin]

Is your belief on Jesus Christ your own, or is it by someone else? or did God make it for you?

Is your life your own? Or is it by someone else? or did God make it for you?

 

[Davy]

Is your life your own? Or is it by someone else? or did God make it for you?

So... you have not yet really BELIEVED on Jesus Christ by Faith?

Just what then, do... you... believe in?

 

[Davy]

Is your life your own? Or is it by someone else? or did God make it for you?

Do you hear little voices inside your head, telling you what and who to believe?

 

[Button]

I think it is great to have a thread that reiterates the words of God.

I'm surprised when I find discussions here that intend to deny God's word is true.

And on what is thought to be a forum board for Christians only.

 

[Davy]

I think it is great to have a thread that reiterates the words of God.

I'm surprised when I find discussions here that intend to deny God's word is true.

And on what is thought to be a forum board for Christians only.

Yeah, and that's why this Forum needs more of those who actually study the written Word of God, and have no problem quoting it, instead of just slapping up men's theories and doctrines with no Biblical support.