Republican Party = Christianity; why?

[Axehead]

Well as the current caucus only has 2 Independents who have caucused with the Democrats, I don't believe that is a very accurate assessment. As 98.25% of qualified Americans voted for either Republican or Democrat in the last election, I'd have to say the 1.75% of qualified Americans who voted for others in that election, is NOT many.

I think you should take another look at your numbers. You are way off. Independents are now, almost 30% of registered voters that voted in the 2012 Presidential Election.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2012

 

[StanJ]

I think you should take another look at your numbers. You are way off. Independents are now, almost 30% of registered voters that voted in the 2012 Presidential Election.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2012

As an American you should know the difference between the Presidential Election and the Congressional Election no?

The 114th congress shows the following at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_divisions_of_United_States_Congresses ;



114th

2015–2017

100

44

54

2[19]

—

435

188

247

—

—

 

[Axehead]

As an American you should know the difference between the Presidential Election and the Congressional Election no?

The 114th congress shows the following at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_divisions_of_United_States_Congresses ;


114th 2015–2017 100 44 54 2[19] — 435 188 247 —
—

As a Canadian, you probably don't know that Independents can vote in some primaries depending on the State and can't vote in other primaries, depending on the State. In the Presidential Election, Independents can vote with no restrictions. So, it is the Presidential Election that is ultimately important.

 

[pom2014]

And as a yank you'll no doubt know that the presidency is won or lost in the caucuses.

It is there that the plutocrats chose the pool you can vote from. The voter has no input they may only rubber stamp the men behind the scenes choice.

This is the joy of being in an oligarchy.

 

[StanJ]

As a Canadian, you probably don't know that Independents can vote in some primaries depending on the State and can't vote in other primaries, depending on the State. In the Presidential Election, Independents can vote with no restrictions. So, it is the Presidential Election that is ultimately important.

You would be surprised at what THIS Canadian knows, but the bottom line is that Congress only has two independent seats so if you're trying to assert those two seats are a result of 30% of the populace vote then something is fishy in Denmark.

 

[Axehead]

You would be surprised at what THIS Canadian knows,

Actually, based on other threads, I am more surprised at what you don't know. But, obviously your self-image is not suffering from it.

but the bottom line is that Congress only has two independent seats so if you're trying to assert those two seats are a result of 30% of the populace vote then something is fishy in Denmark.

Case in point. Those two independent seats do not reflect the total independents in the nation as those seats are only voted for by the independents in those districts, by law.

Next?

 

[StanJ]

Actually, based on other threads, I am more surprised at what you don't know. But, obviously your self-image is not suffering from it.


Case in point. Those two independent seats do not reflect the total independents in the nation as those seats are only voted for by the independents in those districts, by law.

Next?

and you complain when others take shots at you....now you know why with these type of supercilious replies.

Again I don't know what stats you refer to but what I found showed 3,457,560 OTHER votes in the last election, which was only 4% of voters, NOT 30%.

http://clerk.house.gov/member_info/electionInfo/2014/114-statistics.pdf

 

[Axehead]

No, I don't complain and people are free to express themselves. I don't know what you are referring to.

If you would be a bit slower to speak and quicker to listen (read), you would not miss some important points. We are talking about how fast independents are growing and that people are leaving both parties and registering as independents.

US voters by party registration:

Democrats – 42 million
Republicans – 30 million
Independents – 24 million*

http://www.examiner.com/article/number-of-independent-voters-skyrockets

 

[LightMessenger]

I'll ignore your loaded questions and answer why Republicans are considered the Christian party as opposed to the Democratic party. Republicans chose to identify with Christians to appeal to the traditional family values among conservatives. The Democratic party has chosen to distance themselves from God because they wish to instill new moral values and are offended by God's standards.

Republican morals are tied with this country's Christian heritage. Republican morals do conflict with Christian ethics in many cases.

Work ethic stems from self reliance, because it is misguided to entrust your livelihood to the government.

Democrat presidents have started more wars than Republican presidents.

To outsource our christian duty to social programs is negligent.

Actually, what is quite negligent is the Republican attitude that they are somehow the chosen ones of God. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Everyone is basically a sinner in the eyes of God. Democrats are just as religious as Republicans and in many cases even more so, so to say that they are somehow not is very incorrect. As to wars, one need go no farther than to the big war that started in Heaven that resulted in Lucifer being cast out by God for disobedience to Him. Wars on earth are man-made and brought about by both political parties and some appear to be necessary and allowed by God to teach lessons unto the parties involved as well as to others.

 

[StanJ]

No, I don't complain and people are free to express themselves. I don't know what you are referring to.

If you would be a bit slower to speak and quicker to listen (read), you would not miss some important points. We are talking about how fast independents are growing and that people are leaving both parties and registering as independents.

US voters by party registration:

Democrats – 42 million
Republicans – 30 million
Independents – 24 million*

http://www.examiner.com/article/number-of-independent-voters-skyrockets

Well if you would have been a lot less equivocal, you could have dealt with this in the post you raised it in and I would not have had a reason to correct you.
The old adage holds true, that a leopard can't change his spots I guess.
Moving on.

 

[DogLady19]

Personally, today's GOP look a lot like the Sadducees. They are elitists who seem to consider the wealthy to be more important to society than the poor. Their goal is not to govern but to rule. In so doing, they want the letter of the law enforced, but neglect the spirit of the law.

Over the past several years, I have become very disappointed in the GOP in general. I do not belong to any party and plan to keep it that way. Too much corruption.

"All the public business in Congress now connects itself with intrigues, and there is great danger that the whole government will degenerate into a struggle of cabals." -John Quincy Adams

In the Presidential Election, Independents can vote with no restrictions. So, it is the Presidential Election that is ultimately important.

Independents can vote in Congressional elections without restrictions too... and the People are represented by Congress. To me, that makes Congressional elections more important.

 

[Axehead]

Personally, today's GOP look a lot like the Sadducees. They are elitists who seem to consider the wealthy to be more important to society than the poor. Their goal is not to govern but to rule. In so doing, they want the letter of the law enforced, but neglect the spirit of the law.

Over the past several years, I have become very disappointed in the GOP in general. I do not belong to any party and plan to keep it that way. Too much corruption.

"All the public business in Congress now connects itself with intrigues, and there is great danger that the whole government will degenerate into a struggle of cabals." -John Quincy Adams

Independents can vote in Congressional elections without restrictions too... and the People are represented by Congress. To me, that makes Congressional elections more important.

All can vote in the final election, but in some states independents cannot vote in the primaries.

 

[DogLady19]

All can vote in the final election, but in some states independents cannot vote in the primaries.

I'm only making the point that the presidential elections are not as important as the congressional as you suggested... Primaries are specifically for partisan candidate selection. They mean nothing to an indie... but the beauty of being an indie is they can influence how any primary goes...

 

[Axehead]

I'm only making the point that the presidential elections are not as important as the congressional as you suggested... Primaries are specifically for partisan candidate selection. They mean nothing to an indie... but the beauty of being an indie is they can influence how any primary goes...

I agree, that primaries are most important even though depending on the state, independents can't vote in some of them. Also, don't forget that in some states, Dems can sway the Republican vote and vice versa. When there is only a Republican primary, Dems can show up and vote! h34r:

http://blog.fiscalnote.com/2014/07/07/why-democrats-can-vote-in-republican-primaries-sometimes/
For the last 70 years, America has definitely been a socialist nation, transferring large sums of wealth from people who work to people who do not work.

And, we are still the most generous nation among our own people than any other nation. And the world, I might add. But, there is a colossal waste of money and resources with government and if people were allowed to keep more of their hard earned money, Americans would do a much better job of taking care of one another than the government could ever hope to do purr has ever done.

But, who wants to reduce government and taxes (theft)?

If we don't balance our checkbook and budget, we could lose everything. Government doesn't have this same sense of responsibility. They have printing presses and don't need to budget. Problem is, they dilute the value of what you earn while taking more from you each year.

It is all designed to bring you into greater and greater servitude and dependence on government. Sadly, they have over the years come to the place where they see themselves as our masters and treat the people as children who don't know how to take care of themselves.

There are a few good ones in Congress, but they are either outnumbered or led by compromisers.

In the last 20-25 years we have become a nation under surveillance and in the last 15 years we have made great progress in laying the foundation for becoming a police state.

It all only proves that our hope must always be in God. The Lord is always able to make a way for you when there seems to be no way and he is never limited by men.


​ I will lift up mine eyes unto the hills, from whence cometh my help. Psa. 121:1

Give us help from trouble: for vain is the help of man. Psa. 60:11

 

[pom2014]

Socialist?

Have your ever been to a real socialist nation?
Have your ever left your own borders?

Really I'm curious how every yank claims their nation is socialist.

 

[StanJ]

Socialist?

Have your ever been to a real socialist nation?
Have your ever left your own borders?

Really I'm curious how every yank claims their nation is socialist.

Not every American does pom, just the ones who can't stand the Democrats, and hate the idea that Jesus preached a type of socialism as did the early church.

 

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God is NOT subject to human rational or reasoning...He does what He deigns to do, and does not have to apologize for anything.

You'll have to qualify your statement rjp. I know about God's promises to Israel, but those are still bound under the NC. I have no idea what you refer to about Egypt.

That is the point that Jesus was making. To obey the government, and Paul reiterated this position. Where exactly does the Bible teach that nations are saved?
I don't believe any Christian of sound mind has a problem being a good citizen AND Christian. I also am not a big fan of "American Exceptionalism".
Salvation IS personal rjp, and this is exactly what the Bible teaches.

Jesus never said His disciples should obey the government or give their allegiance to it. His example was to obey the laws and pay the taxes, nothing more. In actual fact, Christ acted in exactly the manner of a foreign tourist. Jesus was a stranger in the land of His birth and to His own kinsmen. He obeyed the laws and paid the taxes, but did not lend political support to the government. Political opportunists ever since have corrupted His message for their own political motivations of greed and murder. Jesus was never a part of any of that.

"Christ does not vindicate a race or a nation. It is the sovereignty of God which is vindicated."
- Reinhold Neibuhr

Did I write that salvation wasn't personal? I did not. Misquoting my words will not justify error on your part Stan.

The Bible does say that Israel and Egypt and I believe also Syria will be saved as nations. YOU said nations would not be saved and that is an incorrect assertion.

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To return to the theme of the thread, I don't believe that Christianity can be identified with the Republicans any more. It's a fact that the GOP has been distancing itself from the former moral majority for years. The change in alliance will continue and grow greater as the next presidential campaign gets under way.

Moral standards are no longer politically expedient in America. They are to be denied and ridiculed and relegated to the lunatic fringe.

"So do not pray for this people nor offer any plea or petition for them; do not plead with me, for I will not listen to you."
- Jeremiah 7:16

The people of the United States have abandoned God and His ways and as a result will no longer be blessed as a nation. Individuals may be saved if they fervently seek the Kingdom of God, but not the country. America has turned its back on God and the tipping point of divine favor has been crossed. God has turned His back on America.

Judgment is upon us and will grow more severe as time goes by. Watch and learn, pilgrim.

I remember the calls that once went out for national prayer. The calls were usually made by hypocritical presidents who wanted God to march in lock step with their murder and thievery rather than to bow in humility before the Almighty. The calls were echoed by churches that wanted to increase their self-indulgent 'ministries'. I remember petitions to heaven for wisdom to be granted to our leadership. In the end wisdom was indeed granted, but it was used to betray us.

The Republican party has abandoned its former alliance with white Christians. That much has been obvious to most folks except a few political pundits who like to use the former marriage of political expediency as material for jibes and jokes. It isn't obvious to many white Christians, however. Many of the older generation continue to hang on to days of former glory and memories of hope for political influence. The reality is far different.

It's all about bread and circuses, not morality, God and financial responsibility.

The Democrats are famous for handing out treats to the undeserving and the wayward, while the Republicans were traditionally the party of conservative values and monetary responsibility. Like some ponderous dinosaur, the Republican party is gradually turning away from its traditional position and alliances.......as the nation continues to circle the drain of history and we seek to escape God any way we can.

Christians need to remember the cross more......and wave the flag less.

and that's me, hollering from the choir loft...

 

[pom2014]

The people of the United States have abandoned God and His ways and as a result will no longer be blessed as a nation. Individuals may be saved if they fervently seek the Kingdom of God, but not the country. America has turned its back on God and the tipping point of divine favor has been crossed. God has turned His back on America.

The states never sided with God. No secular nation does. They cloak themselves with false righteousness to deceive people into believing their cause and methods are justified.

So to assert that the states turned their backs on God is false. They never sided the King. Never once obeyed his commands. No fallen nation does.

 

[DogLady19]

I agree, that primaries are most important even though depending on the state, independents can't vote in some of them. ...
For the last 70 years, America has definitely been a socialist nation, transferring large sums of wealth from people who work to people who do not work.
...But, there is a colossal waste of money and resources with government and if people were allowed to keep more of their hard earned money, Americans would do a much better job of taking care of one another than the government could ever hope to do purr has ever done.

...
In the last 20-25 years we have become a nation under surveillance and in the last 15 years we have made great progress in laying the foundation for becoming a police state.

I live in a state with open primaries, so I know about indies being able to vote in them, and yes, they do influence which candidate a particular party ends up with (but not to the degree that some people claim). Personally, I think that's fair considering only a limited few of the people who wish to run for office are actually allowed on the ballot because party politics have been codified.

As for socialism, yes, some money from working people goes to non-working people. Two thirds of those non-working people are elderly, disabled or children - people the Church is supposed to care for (especially in a country that has a church on every corner!)

What concerns me more is how much money from working people goes to millionaires and corrupt officials. We spend far more in corporate welfare than we do in poverty alleviation.

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." -Frederic Bastiat

The people of the United States have abandoned God and His ways and as a result will no longer be blessed as a nation.

Personally, I don't God is on any country's "side" any more than He cares what football team makes it to the Superbowl. He wishes ALL would come to repentance, but that requires individual choice, not a national one. This nation was founded by sinners - some saved by grace, some not - and I don't think God ever promised He'd bless our nation... perhaps we have been a little too presumptuous to ever think that.

 

[Axehead]

What concerns me more is how much money from working people goes to millionaires and corrupt officials. We spend far more in corporate welfare than we do in poverty alleviation.

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." -Frederic Bastiat

It is a corrupt and fallen world and we have to remember who our King is and how he functioned in the corrupt world of His time. He resisted taking one side or the other in the affairs of men and stayed true to His Father's message to man.

If we entangle ourselves in the affairs of this life we may lose our Godly witness and Gospel effectiveness. I think we all understand how emotional the affairs of this world can get and the enemy seeks to use them to suck us into men's battles and away from the true eternal battles we all need to stay engaged in.

Since our warring is not with flesh and blood the Holy Spirit's instruction, below is a very good reminder.
2Ti_2:4 No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.

All the best,
Axehead