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Resurrection vs. Reincarnation--what are the differences?

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  1. Lady Crosstalk

    Lady Crosstalk Well-Known Member

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    The globalist politicians promote a "new world order" and an end to the nation-state system in favor of global government. They are also subtly pushing a "global religion" to go with global government. The ostensible reason for promoting a "new world religion" is to "eliminate sectarian conflict". It is thought that, "no more will neighbor rise up against neighbor because of religious differences--thus ending many, many centuries of conflict."

    In the past, atheism was sought as a remedy--and has already been tried under Marxism. However, atheism fails, for the most part, because mankind is "stubbornly religious". Russians now claim, by a wide margin, that they are "religious". 93% of Russians now officially identify as Russian Orthodox, vs. only 7% "other". Christians, of course, understand that humans are innately spiritual. That is the way we were made--in the "image of God", who is Spirit.

    Ending religious wars sounds like a good idea--no more would Hindu and Muslims war in the Indian sub-continent and Pakistan. No more would Jews and Muslims war in the Middle East--or so the thinking goes--because "everyone would believe the same things." Except what would this new world religion preach?

    Since half the religious world already believes in reincarnation (Hindus and Buddhists), it would seem a handy pillar of the "one-world faith" would be reincarnation. The only thing left is to convince the Abrahamic religions (Christians, Jews and Muslims) that reincarnation is the "proper" way to understand God's intentions for mankind. There are factions in Judaism (Kabbalists) and Islam (Sufi Muslim mysticism) who already hold to the idea of reincarnation. However, it will likely be a tough sell among Christians, who have the strongest teachings on resurrection. There are New Agers who claim they are "Christian" and yet, at the same time believe in reincarnation. But, those who are truly Christian in their understandings, believe that Jesus was resurrected. So, what are the differences between resurrection and reincarnation? Please join in the conversation!
     
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    They are totally unrelated. Resurrection is the raising up of the same body which died -- the same person which existed before death -- but in a transformed state.

    However, reincarnation is the transference of a a soul into another body and another person, or even another creature (if your karma calls for that). Reincarnation is a pagan concept, particular from Eastern religions, starting with Hinduism. But the Bible does not present this idea at all.
     
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    Yes that is certainly the most definitive difference. A Buddhist monk once said that, "Westerners don't make very good Buddhists because they cannot accept the idea that one could be reincarnated as a biting fly on the hindquarters of an elephant." I suspect that they will try to get past that (for Westerners) by saying that, "If you live a very good life, you will come back as a better and better human being until you reach Bodhisattva ("enlightenment"). Christians are being prepared even now to accept that standard by various teachings within the churches that break down the exclusivity of God's word. For "Christians" to accept reincarnation, they all will have to ultimately ignore Hebrews 9:27--->"It is appointed to man once to die and then the judgment" along with other important principles from the Bible. Reincarnation teaches the Buddhist notion of karma, where one's bad deeds or good deeds from a former life determine one's station in the next life. A shocking number of "Christians" say that they believe in karma. This type of syncretism got the Israelites tossed out of the Land and it does not bode well for the next generation.
     
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    I think the "transgenderism" agenda is part of readying Westerners for the "new world religion". Accordingly, a boy who wants to be a girl could be told that he could come back in the "next life" as a girl, if he lives a good life. This gives the social control that religion provides, while, at the same time, allowing the social chaos of everyone "doing as he wills" (a Satanic doctrine). Satan is a wily devil.
     
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    Myself, I'm thinking that lure will be Transcendance.

    Why go through the hassle of death and resurrection, or reincarnation, when you can become godlike now?

    Much love!
     
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    Yes--I think that will be a lure also--a "shortcut" if you will. But, half of the religious people in the world already buy reincarnation (and they are even trying to sell it in the West). Becoming "godlike" ("then you will become like God") is the original lure of the Satanic snake in the Garden of Eden and there will be some interested in that, of course. But most people with a religious bent, appreciate the idea of "reaping what you sow". Mankind has always striven to create a god who will allow them to create their own rules.
     
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    I just wonder what the culture, and people's mentalities, will turn into once the world gets to that point! I'm not sure we're wild enough in our imaginations.

    Much love!
     
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    The Bible implies the doctrine of the preexistence of the soul, not reincarnation: 1. “Why was this man born blind, because of his own sins or (John 9:1-2)…The disciples’ question implies a belief that the man might have been born blind because of sins his soul committed prior to birth. Belief in reincarnation was not an option in first century Palestine. The earliest example of reincarnationism in the region is the Jewish Christian Baptist sect, the Elchasaites attested in 102 AD.
    2. The prophetic call of Jeremiah implies that our life mission is worked out in our soul’s preexistent state: “Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you and before you were born, I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations (Jeremiah 1:5).3.

    3. This view is shared by other Jewish sources from late antiquity.
    a. The Catholic OT implies that a soul’s moral character can develop in its preexistent state: “A good soul fell to my lot, or rather, being good, I entered an undefiled body (Wisdom of Solomon 8:19-20).”
    b. Josephus on the Essenes: “The soul is imperishable and immortal. Emanating from t he finest ether, these souls become entangled, as it were, in the prison house of the body, to which they are dragged down by a sort of natural spell (Josephus, JW 2.8.11).” Philo and rabbinic Judaism agree with this view.
    c. And when are souls created? “All souls are prepared for eternity, before the composition of the earth (2 Enoch 23)
    4. The doctrine of the soul’s preexistence may well have contributed to the Christian prohibition of abortion right from the NT era.
    The Didache (The Teaching of the 12 Apostles) was written in its final form around 95 AD. But it makes use of an initial “Two Ways” section whose style and structure parallels the Essene Manual of Discipline. This “Two Ways” section may have been composed as early as the 50s AD. Unlike our Bible, the Didache explicitly prohibits abortion: “You shall not procure an abortion (2:4),” probably on the basis of the soul’s sacred preexistence. Because this Christian teaching predates most of our NT, it must be presumed to reflect the default teaching of NT Christians. In my view, Psalm 131:13 implies that the foetus may become a person at conception: “You knit me together in my mother’s womb.” and that conception is probably the moment when the preexistent soul begins to become incarnate.
     
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    Yes, I think the idea that the sins of parents or, as you point out, the idea that someone was responsible for his own misfortune, (even before birth!) was common in the Middle East. It was taught by the rabbis that God is a rewarder of righteousness but somehow it got twisted into what they expressed in the John 9:1 quote. That is why Jesus' disciples were so astounded when Jesus suggested that it was difficult for a rich person to get into the Kingdom of God. The common belief, again, was that people were wealthy because God was rewarding their righteousness. The Book of James turns that common belief on its head when James says that God has humbled the rich and honored the poor. (James 1:9-10)


    Yes. God, in His foreknowledge of us, knows our destiny.

    Man does get himself tangled up in his own thoughts about God, in contrast to what God says about Himself.
    The Book of Enoch is not part of the canon for a reason but I don't find anything particularly disturbing in your quote.

    Yes. When the Bible canon was drawn up, there was a lengthy discussion about the possible inclusion of the Didache as well as the Shepherd of Hermas. But, they used the principle of, "When in doubt, leave it out."
     
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    REINCARNATION
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    "What does reincarnation mean?" a fellow asked his friend.
    His pal replied, "It happens when your life has reached its end.
    They comb your hair, and wash your neck, and clean your fingernails,
    And lay you in a padded box away from life's travails.

    The box and you goes in a hole that's been dug into the ground.
    Reincarnation starts in when you're planted in the ground.
    Them clods melt down just like your box, and you who is inside.
    And then you're just beginning on your transformation ride.

    In a while the grass will grow upon your rendered mound,
    Till some day on your flattened grave a lonely flower is found.
    And say a horse should wander by and graze upon this flower
    That once was you, but now's become your vegetative bower.

    This posey that the horse done ate up, with his other feed,
    Makes bone, and fat, and muscle essential to the steed.
    But some is left that he can't use, and so it passes through,
    And finally lays upon the ground - this thing that once was you.

    Then say, by chance, I wander by and see this thing upon the ground,
    And I ponder, and I wonder at this object that I've found.
    I think of reincarnation - of life and death and such,
    And come away concluding, "Friend, you ain't changed all that much."
     
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    Hebrews 9:27 is a defense against the teaching of reincarnation.
     
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