Revealing the Sons of God.

[MTPockets]

Loved this line! (Loved your whole post, MT. :) )

The only counterintuitive line is this one: 'To be raised means that by an outside force a living person is put back into the earthly sphere.'

Into a new 'earthly sphere'?

Hi! 'DragonFly'

I'm so pleased that you found the ideas which I expressed uplifting to your inner man.

Ummm, yuh see? I'm just an ordinary man enjoying an extraordinary experience ... which we name as 'Born Again'. I only dare to express these thoughts openly because they worked for me. So, it's nice to occasionally hear that others, like yourself, might wish to make them their own too.
I'm not a teacher nor a preacher or anything of the sort. I'm jus' some plain everyday kinna' guy who heard the Gospel of Repentance and discovered the face of God for himself. Yet, I should also admit that, at the time when I first heard the Gospel, I needed something much more than some tidy code of moral behavior, While others were seeking a doctor for their inner wounds and injuries, I was needing something closer to a brain surgeon. :)

I have read in here of many confessing to be Roman Catholic. Well, I too was raised as a 'cradle Catholic'; my sister was a Convent Nun. So, I'm quite aware of Catholic teaching and their thought-world. But soon after I began on the path towards my inner healing and restoration, I realized that the gospel of my Catholic upbringing was woefully insufficient for my needs. So, that was when I decided to upgrade my reading liibrary from the thoughts of Thomas Merton and the like and graduate to the writings of Watchman Nee and others similar. After stumbling around for nearly 10 years through the maze of popular non-Catholic writings, I bumped into some teachings about the 'Gospel of the Kingdom' ... the gospel about the unseen world ... the heavenly places. At first, the gospel of the kingdom didn't make a lot of 'sense' to me. But I discovered that sometimes we can't comprehend the Word of God because our heads have been filled with so many conflicting and confusing ideas. But once I began to take a fresh look at the Bible ... away from the noise of the puppet masters, that's when everything dramatically changed for me. My Christian experience has never been the same since. For the first time in my life, I could honestly confess that I enjoyed knowing God and became excited about His thoughts concerning me.

So it is that you see that I'm frequently writing about the 'heavenly places'. But, when yuh think about it, that should not be so strange to us Christians in these Forums. After all, what does our Bible say faith is? Well, look and see for yourself: "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen". The Gospel of the Kingdom is about the heavens ... about the invisible world ... about "things not seen".

I recently returned from Europe after a two week visit with pastors and teachers who have been preaching the gospel of the kingdom since the late 1960's. I also met with the authors of several books dealing with this gospel. It was a very enlightening, gratifying and encouraging time. God is clearly speaking to His faithful in this day and hour. A time of refreshing is upon us. This is in keeping with Matthew 24:14, "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come".

Anyways, there I went again ... mumblin' an' mumblin ... sorry 'bout that. :)
You asked: "Into a new 'earthly sphere'?"
Well, if I have understood your question correctly, the answer is identical to the situation as described of Jesus when he appeared to his disciples and doubting Thomas.
"The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe", (John 20:25).
On the other hand, you might be asking if the "new earth" is a reality at this point in time. If this is the substance of your question, the answer would be - No -., not at this particular stage of development/events.


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[Rex]

An ordinary man experiencing an extraordinary God
Thats the well we drink from.
i was about 4 years old when the Lord gave me my first drink
I've followed that spring my entire life forsaking many comforts simply because nothing else will suffice.
You express yourself and the light within you very well, I'm not so gifted but your a pleasure to read

It is nice to finally start seeing the light at the end of the tunnel

 

[John_8:32]

You forget the period of Christ's "thousand years" reign of Rev.20. It happens prior to God's Great White Throne Judgment.

Christ's coming, then His thousand years reign over the nations, then the final Judgment. That's the order in God's Word.

Exactly, there are three judgment periods...

Today on the few called now.
The Millenium for those living then.
The Great White Throne Judgment for the vast majority of mankind.

 

[Spirit Covenant]

If Christs kingdom is not of this world, then why expect it to manifest in some political and geographical way.?
Its all about us undergoing a circumsicion of the heart, and christ ruling and reaching out to the world from there.

Christ has promised to come after the gospel of the kingdom has been preached to all nations, and everyone has had the chance to enter into it.
In the future, paul expected the Lord to fulfill his promise of rewarding those who believe and enter the kingdom ,at his appearing at the end of that age.

Because Christ has said that He and His Saints will destroy the world and set up His kingdom here.


Matthew 13
40 Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age.
41 The Son of Man will send out His messengers, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness,
42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!




Matthew 25
31 "When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy messengers with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory.
32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats.

Jude 1
4 Now Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men also, saying, "Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of His saints,
15 to execute judgment on all, to convict all who are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have committed in an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him."

1 Corinthians 6
2 Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world will be judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters?

 

[revturmoil]

Because Christ has said that He and His Saints will destroy the world and set up His kingdom here.


Matthew 13
40 Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age.
41 The Son of Man will send out His messengers, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness,
42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!




Matthew 25
31 "When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy messengers with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory.
32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats.

Jude 1
4 Now Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men also, saying, "Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of His saints,
15 to execute judgment on all, to convict all who are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have committed in an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him."

1 Corinthians 6
2 Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world will be judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters?

How in the world do you get the idea that Christ and his saints will destroy the world?

 

[logabe]

There's a difference between the idea that Christ's elect will reign with Him in judging the world vs. literally 'taking over' the world. The former is dependent upon Christ's coming to take over this world, the latter idea does not, which is why it's false.

We shall inherit through Christ Jesus when He returns to this earth in our near future.

Veteran, we're always going to be under the authority of Jesus Christ. When
we judge, Jesus will be judging through us, but we will be an extension of
Jesus himself.

But we will do the judging on behalf of Jesus, according to His Law, just as it
was in Moses day. Ex. 18:18-23 says,

18 You and these people who come to you will only
wear yourselves out.
19 Listen now to me and I will give you some advice,
and may God be with you. You must be the people's
representative before God and bring their disputes
to him.
20 Teach them the decrees and laws, and show them
the way to live and the duties they are to perform.
21 But select capable men from all the people--men
who fear God, trustworthy men who hate dishonest
gain--and appoint them as officials over thousands,
hundreds, fifties and tens.
22 Have them serve as judges for the people at all
times, but have them bring every difficult case to you;
the simple cases they can decide themselves. That will
make your load lighter, because they will share it with
you.
23 If you do this and God so commands, you will be
able to stand the strain, and all these people will go
home satisfied."

Moses listened to God through Jethro his father-in-law and set up 72 judges,
six from every tribe. This was done so Moses wouldn't have to judge every
case. Deut. 1:12, 14 says,

12 But how can I bear your problems and your
burdens and your disputes all by myself ?
15 So I took the leading men of your tribes, wise
and respected men, and appointed them to have
authority over you--as commanders of thousands,
of hundreds, of fifties and of tens and as tribal
officials.

This is how God is going to set up a representative government in
the Tabernacle Age and beyond. What Moses was setting up in his
day, was a type and shadow of the ultimate Kingdom. For instance,
Jesus said in Luke 19:17, 19,

17 " 'Well done, my good servant!' his master
replied. 'Because you have been trustworthy in
a very small matter, take charge of ten cities.'
19 "His master answered, 'You take charge of
five cities.'

So to put everything in perspective, the life we are living in the flesh,
is to qualify us to be given authority by Jesus Christ in the end of this
age. We will be given a position of authority in God's Kingdom if we
allow God to write His Laws in our hearts and become good servants
in this life.

Everything will be done according to the plan of God.

Logabe

 

[tgwprophet]

Logabe wrote: " Veteran, we're always going to be under the authority of Jesus Christ. When we judge, Jesus will be judging through us, but we will be an extension of Jesus himself. "

Did not Jesus say; Judge not lest you be judged ? Since he did say this, it certainly means your perspective is on error Logabe.
That is just my tale and i am wagging it...again. Oh yeah, I wish that you were right on this Logabe.

 

[veteran]

Veteran, we're always going to be under the authority of Jesus Christ. When
we judge, Jesus will be judging through us, but we will be an extension of
Jesus himself.

But we will do the judging on behalf of Jesus, according to His Law, just as it
was in Moses day. Ex. 18:18-23 says,

18 You and these people who come to you will only
wear yourselves out.
19 Listen now to me and I will give you some advice,
and may God be with you. You must be the people's
representative before God and bring their disputes
to him.
20 Teach them the decrees and laws, and show them
the way to live and the duties they are to perform.
21 But select capable men from all the people--men
who fear God, trustworthy men who hate dishonest
gain--and appoint them as officials over thousands,
hundreds, fifties and tens.
22 Have them serve as judges for the people at all
times, but have them bring every difficult case to you;
the simple cases they can decide themselves. That will
make your load lighter, because they will share it with
you.
23 If you do this and God so commands, you will be
able to stand the strain, and all these people will go
home satisfied."

Moses listened to God through Jethro his father-in-law and set up 72 judges,
six from every tribe. This was done so Moses wouldn't have to judge every
case. Deut. 1:12, 14 says,

12 But how can I bear your problems and your
burdens and your disputes all by myself ?
15 So I took the leading men of your tribes, wise
and respected men, and appointed them to have
authority over you--as commanders of thousands,
of hundreds, of fifties and of tens and as tribal
officials.

This is how God is going to set up a representative government in
the Tabernacle Age and beyond. What Moses was setting up in his
day, was a type and shadow of the ultimate Kingdom. For instance,
Jesus said in Luke 19:17, 19,

17 " 'Well done, my good servant!' his master
replied. 'Because you have been trustworthy in
a very small matter, take charge of ten cities.'
19 "His master answered, 'You take charge of
five cities.'

So to put everything in perspective, the life we are living in the flesh,
is to qualify us to be given authority by Jesus Christ in the end of this
age. We will be given a position of authority in God's Kingdom if we
allow God to write His Laws in our hearts and become good servants
in this life.

Everything will be done according to the plan of God.

Logabe

What I'm talking about is the concept that 'some' men here on earth have with trying to take over this present world in thinking to setup a one-world kingdom here and now, without Christ's second coming. Such a movement as that is false.

 

[logabe]

What I'm talking about is the concept that 'some' men here on earth have with trying to take over this present world in thinking to setup a one-world kingdom here and now, without Christ's second coming. Such a movement as that is false.

I agree Verteran with what you are saying, but I am specfically talking
about after the 2nd coming of Christ. There will be a Kingdom of God
upon this earth that will not fail because Jesus Christ will be the Head
and not man.

We are living this life right now to qualify as a good servant so that Jesus
can make us a ruler over many. I'm not talking about salvation, but I'm
talking about ruling and reigning in God's Kingdom that will be set up on
this earth by Jesus Christ. We have to qualify for that position by learning
obedience as a bond servant today.

Salvation is simply believing on the Lord, but you must mature by growing
in Grace and in the knowledge of Jesus Christ. Seeking Him diligently and
learning His ways in order to learn how to judge in righteousness. Phil. 3:12-
14 says,

12 Not that I have already obtained it or have already
become perfect, but I press on so that I may lay hold
of that for which also I was laid hold of by Christ Jesus.
13 Brethren, I do not regard myself as having laid hold
of it yet ; but one thing I do: forgetting what lies behind
and reaching forward to what lies ahead,
14 I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward
call of God in Christ Jesus.

Paul was looking for a position (upward calling) in the Kingdom that was
going to be set up in the future. He kept his eyes on the prize that Jesus
would give him if he became an overcomer and didn't allow the things of
this world to cause him to slumber. He didn't just want salvation, but he
wanted a crown which represented him ruling with authority with Jesus.

That is what everyone of us should desire. What kind of calling do we want?
The high calling or a low calling.

Logabe

 

[veteran]

I agree Verteran with what you are saying, but I am specfically talking
about after the 2nd coming of Christ. There will be a Kingdom of God
upon this earth that will not fail because Jesus Christ will be the Head
and not man.

We are living this life right now to qualify as a good servant so that Jesus
can make us a ruler over many. I'm not talking about salvation, but I'm
talking about ruling and reigning in God's Kingdom that will be set up on
this earth by Jesus Christ. We have to qualify for that position by learning
obedience as a bond servant today.

Salvation is simply believing on the Lord, but you must mature by growing
in Grace and in the knowledge of Jesus Christ. Seeking Him diligently and
learning His ways in order to learn how to judge in righteousness. Phil. 3:12-
14 says,

12 Not that I have already obtained it or have already
become perfect, but I press on so that I may lay hold
of that for which also I was laid hold of by Christ Jesus.
13 Brethren, I do not regard myself as having laid hold
of it yet ; but one thing I do: forgetting what lies behind
and reaching forward to what lies ahead,
14 I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward
call of God in Christ Jesus.

Paul was looking for a position (upward calling) in the Kingdom that was
going to be set up in the future. He kept his eyes on the prize that Jesus
would give him if he became an overcomer and didn't allow the things of
this world to cause him to slumber. He didn't just want salvation, but he
wanted a crown which represented him ruling with authority with Jesus.

That is what everyone of us should desire. What kind of calling do we want?
The high calling or a low calling.

Logabe

It's the Kingdom to come that Christ Jesus Himself brings that I look forward to. It will only occur with His second coming which is still future to us today.

 

[logabe]

It's the Kingdom to come that Christ Jesus Himself brings that I look forward to. It will only occur with His second coming which is still future to us today.

Exactly, the New Jerusalem is coming down to earth from God. A change
is coming and what we do now will determine where God put's us in His
Kingdom. As Jesus said, thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth as
it is in heaven.

My point is, if we learn obedience in this life that we are living at present,
it will determine where God places us in the future. Paul said it like this in
in 1st Corinthians 2:9, quoting Isa.,

9 but just as it is written, "THINGS WHICH EYE HAS
NOT SEEN AND EAR HAS NOT HEARD, AND which
HAVE NOT ENTERED THE HEART OF MAN, ALL THAT
GOD HAS PREPARED FOR THOSE WHO LOVE HIM."

Well... who do you think loves Him? Jesus said, if you love me, you will
keep my commandments. John 14:21 says,

21 "He who has My commandments and keeps them
is the one who loves Me; and he who loves Me will
be loved by My Father, and I will love him and will
disclose Myself to him."

When we learn to be obedient to His commandments, we will receive a
crown that fades not away. The Kingdom will continue to grow until it
fills the whole earth. Hab. 2:14 says,

14 "For the earth will be filled With the knowledge
of the glory of the LORD, As the waters cover the
sea.

What a God! What a Plan!

Logabe

 

[tgwprophet]

on that, i'm with you fellers.

 

[afaithfulone4u]

I woke up this morning considering this verse for some reason.

For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory that is to be revealed to us. 19 For the anxious longing of the creation waits eagerly for the revealing of the sons of God. 20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it, in hope 21 that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now. 23 And not only this, but also we ourselves, having the first fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our body.



I got to thinking about "how" and "when" are we revealed.


　

How? ....v23.
Through the resurrection of the body---Glorification.
　
When? Rev 20
　
11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them.
12 And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds.
14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.
15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.



The opening of the book of life reveals those who are his....yes? The book was closed not revealing anything before the GWT.

Linking the 2 verses,
　
This is a plain indication of God’s righteous judgment so that you will be considered worthy of the kingdom of God, for which indeed you are suffering. 6 For after all it is only just for God to repay with affliction those who afflict you, 7 and to give relief to you who are afflicted and to us as well when the Lord Jesus will be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire, 8 dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9 These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes to be glorified in His saints on that day, and to be marveled at among all
who have believed—for our testimony to you was believed.


From what i understand these verses to be saying,
the second coming takes place,
all in the tomb hear his voice,resurrection ,
Final judgment, Book of life opened ,
revealing / Glorification of all the redeemed at the final GWT judgment.


Other Scriptures to consider..,
　
Acts 17
　
30 Therefore having overlooked the times of ignorance, God is now declaring to men that all people everywhere should repent, 31 because He has fixed a day in which He will judge the world in righteousness through a Man whom He has appointed, having furnished proof to all men by raising Him from the dead."

Ro 2
But do you suppose this, O man, when you pass judgment on those who practice such things and do the same yourself, that you will escape the judgment of God? 4 Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance? 5 But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, 6 who will render to each person according to his deeds: 7 to those who by perseverance in doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life; 8 but to those who are selfishly ambitious and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, wrath and indignation.
　
2Tim 4
I have fought the good fight, I have finished the course, I have kept the faith; 8 in the future there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on that day; and not only to me, but also to all who have loved His appearing.


So I guess ive convinced myself that the Lord will come again and his reward will be with him, to render to everyman his Eternal destiny.... on the day the book of life is opened to all, revealing the Sons of God in all their Eternal glory and reward.

Greetings,
The son's of God will be birthed to our mother heavenly Jerusalem in Rev 12:5 just after the two witnesses finish their course( Feast of Trumpets to assemble God's people) followed by the earthquake in Jerusalem( Day of Atonement, 1/10th and seven thousand Jewish remnant die), then the seventh trump sounds to announce the elect son's, Holy ones those birthed in the image of Christ and they will be caught up in the twinkling of an eye to the throne of God as they exchange their earthly corrupt tent for the incorruptable tabernacle (Feast of Tabernacles) who will rule and reign with Christ for 1,000 yrs. These are the first resurrection. The book of life is opened in the second resurrection when ALL the books are opened just before the new heaven and earth.
The man child is the children of God built up as the temple and Christ is the head making them male for there is neither Jew or Gentile male nor female as we are all one in the BODY members of Christ who is the temple and the holy living stones with the Word as their foundation. Not all will be worthy to rule and reign with Christ.

Rev 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
KJV

Blessings

 

[logabe]

Logabe wrote: " Veteran, we're always going to be under the authority of Jesus Christ. When we judge, Jesus will be judging through us, but we will be an extension of Jesus himself. "

Did not Jesus say; Judge not lest you be judged ? Since he did say this, it certainly means your perspective is on error Logabe.
That is just my tale and i am wagging it...again. Oh yeah, I wish that you were right on this Logabe.

You're right Terry... we must be taught by God how to judge a matter or we may
find ourselves condemning someone that God is dealing with. That's why the Divine
Law is so important as becoming a mature Judge.

I have to check myself @ times to make sure I am not judging according to the flesh.
John 8:15-16 says,

15 "You judge according to the flesh ; I am not judging
anyone.
16 "But even if I do judge, My judgment is true ; for I
am not alone in it, but I and the Father who sent Me.

When we judge a matter, we must judge it by the Spirit so in reality it is not us judging,
it is God. Yes... we need to be careful that we are not judging after the flesh, so we want
be judged according to the judgment we were applying.

What a God! What a Plan!

Logabe