Revelation 12 walk through

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amigo de christo

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He also saw a woman sitting on many waters while riding on a beast with seven heads and ten horns. So, we should take that literally in some sense, also?
Its like when daniel saw the giant statue . It represents something . The head of gold nebb
and so on .
That represents the Harlot . Oh its a harlot all right but as with jews so too with christendom .
THE WHORE cometh FROM WITHIN and she has t aken over much now .
Her influence is great upon this very earth . She has grown in power and influence big time .
She may have the appearance of wool , but many folks she does fool .
She might lip the name of Jesus and claim to hold the keys
But knows not JESUS and holds not the keys .
She herself entered not in and has hindered all who do sit under her from entering into the true covenant .
And she will rule and she shall reign even from Jerusalem .
She has been at work now to merge all the denominations , and all the false religoins to be as one
under what these poor lost and highly decieved folks beleive is LOVE and IS OF GOD . BUT IT IS NEITHER .
 
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Rev 13 all of it but specifically 13:5-7 and the rest of 13

He has the power to kill and make miracles. and He will kill many Christians (elect) as Martyrs..
He has power to also give LIFE unto the image , unto the image of the beast
so that the image CAN SPEAK .
Oh there is much at work in these final hours and many things are coming to pass
which were written long long ago in that holy book known as the bible .
And he causes all both small and great ..........rich and poor
to recieve a mark
NO BUY , NO SELL without that mark .
Rather odd this great and mighty digital system
is run by AI , which can produce any image and that image DO SPEAK
In any langauge too .
And what i long warned us about , concerning the digital etc
and that they will introduce this to us through the very MESS they created ,
AKA IMMIGRATION , they will use
to get ALL peoples , t ribes , and tongues INTO THE DIGITAL , NO BUY NO SELL system .
And folks , go to and behold what they do as of late .
Exactly this
USING the migration problem as a means TO SLAM HOME DIDGITAL ID upon
not just the immigrates BUT ALL THE PEOPLES . and many thought i was nuts for warning this was coming
and this is how they would GET the evangelicals to also support it . WE , my near and dear friend , BEEN DUPED
and done so BY BOTH SIDES of politics . BIBLE time for us all now my friend . Time for us to learn and to be refreshed
in the pages of that lovely truth for ourselves .
 
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When the time of judgement comes, the dead will be raised first and those alive at that time will follow them into the GWTR and all will be judged.
i see a apparent error . it's, no one is resurrected just to be judged . you likely dont yet understand what really happens at the end of the 1000 years . by that time all that would be resurrected would of been resurrected long before the judgment time at the end of the 1000 years.
 

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i see a apparent error . it's, no one is resurrected just to be judged . you likely dont yet understand what really happens at the end of the 1000 years . by that time all that would be resurrected would of been resurrected long before the judgment time at the end of the 1000 years.

The Bible that I read, does not confirm what you have just posted.

I suggest that you read the "Bible" again and again until its message becomes clear to you.

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The Bible that I read, does not confirm what you have just posted.

I suggest that you read the "Bible" again and again until its message becomes clear to you.

Goodbye
my first guess is you've been reading the book Revelation ..you see words that seam to give you understanding . in reality very little of the book can be taken literally .
 

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my first guess is you've been reading the book Revelation ..you see words that seam to give you understanding . in reality very little of the book can be taken literally .

Goodbye.
 

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Oh you can't win so you pick up your ball and bat and you go home

No, that is a false argument on your part in a vain attempt to claim a win on your part.

There is no point in having a discussion with you when you have shown that you did not understand what I had actually posted. So again, it is simply: -

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We know for fact that the book revelation is written in signs its even said so in the first verses of the first chapter but then it gets quickly forgotten when things look familiar.
 

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He has power to also give LIFE unto the image , unto the image of the beast
so that the image CAN SPEAK .
Oh there is much at work in these final hours and many things are coming to pass
which were written long long ago in that holy book known as the bible .
And he causes all both small and great ..........rich and poor
to recieve a mark
NO BUY , NO SELL without that mark .
The he here is the False Prophet who causes the peoples of the world to worship the antichrist.
Rather odd this great and mighty digital system
is run by AI , which can produce any image and that image DO SPEAK
In any langauge to and that they will introduce this to us through the very MESS they created
Keep in mind, AI is run by man kind.
AKA IMMIGRATION , they will use
to get ALL peoples , t ribes , and tongues INTO THE DIGITAL , NO BUY NO SELL system .
And folks , go to and behold what they do as of late .
Yes it is already going down that slippery slope.......Here again AI will not take over for the Ati-christ and False Prophet (the first and second Beast) are MEN according to God's Word.
Exactly this
USING the migration problem as a means TO SLAM HOME DIDGITAL ID upon
not just the immigrates BUT ALL THE PEOPLES . and many thought i was nuts for warning this was coming
and this is how they would GET the evangelicals to also support it . WE , my near and dear friend , BEEN DUPED
and done so BY BOTH SIDES of politics . BIBLE time for us all now my friend . Time for us to learn and to be refreshed
in the pages of that lovely truth for ourselves .
Agree, simply do not fall for the deceptions of Satan trinity...(antichrist-false prophet and Satan). God has everything under His controls and if it ended today I would perfectly fine with that event. Thank you for your great post.
 

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I should like to think that you know that God has standers . the law he gave Israel condemned men to death if they violated certain laws others were punished with whipping for violating other laws . if there are people that call them selves Christian and are morally deficient ,they fall out side of the lines of being acceptable.ness.
God has condemned men to death because He hates sin. Rem. Adam brought about the death of all of mankind and God condemned Him because of His sins against GOD and His Laws...The Laws of Moses simply clarified what a sin was. before if you killed you neighbor, it was relative to your situation. with the Laws of Moses, it became known as a sin and with that sin and others, one cannot live with Jesus forever. This the fire and brimstone where the wicked, the sinners who have not repented (turrned from their sins to obey GOD. It is not God's fault, It is mankinds.
 

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Many Premils interpret the Antichrist and his ten nations as a revised Roman Empire and seem certain it's the EU. I frankly think that as we have seen in Biblical history, the empires that came against Israel: Egyptians, Babylonia, Medo- Persia, Assyria, Greek, and the Romans (who destroyed the Temple and scattered the Jews), were manifestations of the Beast. In each era, Satan worked through His Beast. But the final Empire, no one seems to recognize as a player, the resuscitated Ottoman empire, Islam. They are scattered worldwide. 50 nations have as their majority Muslims.
The Ottoman Empire lasted almost 500 years. The Ottoman Empire died in 1921, but it really didn't get the chance to attack Israel with a conquering and devastating blow that would result in them killing 2/3 of its population and causing the rest to flee!The Jews were scattered and persecuted by Islam (as many nations have been); but their final rally of war again't Israel is what we presently see forming. We have seen Iran as the head of the snake wage proxy wars against Israel for decades. We see this recent Peace Treaty, but it does not include the ten Islamic nations that will unite against Israel, which to me I identifybas the BEAST. The Abraham Accords has really a short list, though Trump raves of a huge success. UAE, Bahrain, Sudan, Morroco and the illegitimate Palistinian Hamas, I guess Jordan still has a treaty with them since 1994. THE EU will not attack Israel nor will Israel adopt a new leader that will gather ten other nations and turn around and attack it's own people. That sounds absurd. Israel is not for Christ but I do not see Israel prosecuting Christians coming under the Antichrist's rule. The are currently naive about Christ but not naive about Islam and its evil intentions.
 

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I will walk through Revelation 12, explaining the verses. Follow along with your bible reading each verse as I explain the meaning thereof.

Revelation 12:1-5 is a vision John saw of Jesus being born to the woman (Israel) and Satan's attempt to have Jesus killed as soon as he was born. Which historically happened when Herod ordered all the children under the age of 2 be killed.

Verse 5 is Jesus born and caught up to God and to God's throne. Destined to rule the nations with a rod of iron.

Revelation 12:6 jumps to the end times, when Israel, the woman, has returned to the land, but still in unbelief that Jesus is the messiah. And for 1260 days, Israel will be fed the Word of God - by the two witnesses, of Revelation 11:3, those 1260 days.
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Revelation 12:7-9
after the 1260 days, there will be a war in the second heaven which Satan and his angels will be cast down to earth.

Revelation 12:10 the Jews at that time finally turn to Jesus and the gospel of salvation. Satan will have been accusing them of their unbelief for the 1260 days that the Jews will mistakenly think the Antichrist is their messiah

Revelation 12:11 the Jews will overcome all Satan's accusations by believing upon the blood of the Lamb as atonement for their sins. And the Jews will testify about Jesus and the gospel of salvation. Even though many will be killed for their testimony.

Revelation 12:12 because Satan has been cast down to earth with just a short time left to his power, them in heaven rejoice about his coming demise. But to them on earth, Satan's wrath at being cast down will be the third woe to the inhabiters of earth as said in Revelation 8:13.

Revelation 12:13 Satan will take his wrath out on Israel and begin to persecute Israel.

Revelation 12:14 The Jews in Judea will flee into the mountains when they see the abomination of desolation statue image set up and indwelt by Satan. There in the wilderness, the Jews will be protected for the remaining time/times/half time that Satan will have left.

Revelation 12:15 Satan will make attempts to destroy the Jews in their mountains sanctuary.

Revelation 12:16 But God will supernaturally thwart all attempts by Satan to persecute the Jews who had fled into the mountains.

Revelation 12:17 Satan, not able to get to the Jews in the mountains, will persecute the remaining Jews who did not flee to the mountains right away, as Jesus told them to do in Matthew 24:15-21. Those Jews who Satan will have access to persecute, Jesus will rescue when Jesus returns to Jerusalem in Zechariah 14.

These mountains these Jews flee into, are they literal mountains? Because if they are literal mountains it is absurd that satan is unable to get to the Jews in the mountains. satan is an angelic being. Literal mountains can't hide and protect someone from angelic beings.
 

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These mountains these Jews flee into, are they literal mountains? Because if they are literal mountains it is absurd that satan is unable to get to the Jews in the mountains. satan is an angelic being. Literal mountains can't hide and protect someone from angelic beings.
David, the mountains themselves are not what protects them, but the Hand of God.

Let's take a look at the verses. It requires some interpretation on our part as what is meant as a "flood",verse 15. I think it means that Satan will put it into the the beast king's mind to order his troops to go into the mountain wilderness and hunt down the Jews who will have fled there. But God will have earthquakes and landslides to destroy those troops, verse 16.

15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.

16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
 

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We know for fact that the book revelation is written in signs its even said so in the first verses of the first chapter but then it gets quickly forgotten when things look familiar.
Well I believe what Jesus says about the resurrection and the judgement, and Paul teaches the same things.

John 5
28 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29 and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation. 30 I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me.

Resurrection then judgment on the LAST DAY

The LAST DAY is the Day of Christ's returning, when God the Father sends Him to judge the world

John 5
21 For as the Father raises the dead and gives life to them, even so the Son gives life to whom He will. 22 For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son, 23 that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.

John 6:44
No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 11:24
Martha said to Him, “I know that he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day.”

John 12:48
He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him— the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.

Acts 17
30 Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, 31 because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead.”


I charge you [a]therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead [b]at His appearing and His kingdom: 2 Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables. 5 But you be watchful in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.
 

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That 'great white throne judgement' of Revelation 20, the God who they stand before and are judged is Christ.
All are judged for the things they did in the body whether good or bad.

2 Corinthians 5:10
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.

Matthew 25

The Son of Man Will Judge the Nations​

31 “When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the [c]holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. 33 And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left.
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34 Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; 36 I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’

37 “Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink? 38 When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? 39 Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’ 40 And the King will answer and say to them, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.’

41 “Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink; 43 I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’

44 “Then they also will answer [d]Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’ 45 Then He will answer them, saying, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’ 46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

I charge you [a]therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ,
who will judge the living and the dead [b]at His appearing and His kingdom:

And His kingdom is glorious. And HE will sit on the throne of His glory and all the people of all the nations will be gathered by the angels and stand before Him for judgment, only believers will be exempt from the second death in the Lake of Fire, but they will still be judged by the things they did and rewards will be handed out.

  1. Revelation 2:11
    “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes shall not be hurt by the second death.” ’
    In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
  2. Revelation 20:6
    Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second deathhas no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.
    In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
  3. Revelation 20:14
    Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
    In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
  4. Revelation 21:8
    But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”
    In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
 

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Matthew 25

The Parable of the Talents​

14 “For the kingdom of heaven is like a man traveling to a far country, who called his own servants and delivered his goods to them. 15 And to one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one, to each according to his own ability; and immediately he went on a journey. 16 Then he who had received the five talents went and traded with them, and made another five talents. 17 And likewise he who had received two gained two more also. 18 But he who had received one went and dug in the ground, and hid his lord’s money. 19 After a long time the lord of those servants came and settled accounts with them.

20 “So he who had received five talents came and brought five other talents, saying, ‘Lord, you delivered to me five talents; look, I have gained five more talents besides them.’ 21 His lord said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant; you were faithful over a few things, I will make you ruler over many things. Enter into the joy of your lord.’ 22 He also who had received two talents came and said, ‘Lord, you delivered to me two talents; look, I have gained two more talents besides them.’ 23 His lord said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant; you have been faithful over a few things, I will make you ruler over many things. Enter into the joy of your lord.’

24 “Then he who had received the one talent came and said, ‘Lord, I knew you to be a hard man, reaping where you have not sown, and gathering where you have not scattered seed. 25 And I was afraid, and went and hid your talent in the ground. Look, there you have what is yours.’

26 “But his lord answered and said to him, ‘You wicked and lazy servant, you knew that I reap where I have not sown, and gather where I have not scattered seed. 27 So you ought to have deposited my money with the bankers, and at my coming I would have received back my own with interest. 28 So take the talent from him, and give it to him who has ten talents.

29 ‘For to everyone who has, more will be given, and he will have abundance; but from him who does not have, even what he has will be taken away. 30 And cast the unprofitable servant into the outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’
 

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Matthew 13

The Parable of the Dragnet​

47 “Again, the Kingdom of Heaven is like unto a net that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind,

48 which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away.

49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth and sever the wicked from among the just,

50 and shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.”

'sever the wicked from among the just'
That happens after they are judged, all are present and all are witness to the final judgment, angels, men, God.

Matthew 25:46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
 

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I charge you [a]therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead [b]at His appearing and His kingdom:

Matthew 13
36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away and went into the house, and His disciples came unto Him, saying, “Explain unto us the parable of the tares of the field.”

37 He answered and said unto them, “He that soweth the good seed is the Son of Man.

38 The field is the world, the good seed are the children of the Kingdom, but the tares are the children of the wicked one.

39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the world, and the reapers are the angels.

40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so shall it be at the end of this world.

41 The Son of Man shall send forth His angels, and they shall gather out of His Kingdom all things that offend and them that do iniquity,

42 and shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the Kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Christ teaches us only righteous children of His kingdom will survive to reign with Him in the kingdom of their Father, all others who do iniquity, who do not believe, that offend, all those will be cast in to the furnace of fire.