Revelation 20: 5&6

[David in NJ]

This right here is what I am talking about.

No knowledge of the 2 wives.
Yes Jesus has a bride that becomes the wife.

You do not have the unction to investigate the 2 wives?

I do not have the time to educate you guys.

Study the 2 wives.
Investigation is your Friend.

Oh wait....better not...it certainly does not fit a postrib rapture.

JESUS came to fulfill the Law and all Righteousness = Yes or No?

 

[David in NJ]

You 100% made that up.
Yes yes yes , I know....the 144k is way over all your heads.
They also destroy postrib rapture theory.
Yep another thing postribbers just do a sky grab and say the 144k are just some abstract thought of God.

Where is our New Birth from?
a.) Heaven
b.) Earth

 

[bro.tan]

Your basics to the scripture(word of GOD), studying plainly the surface of it word to word for understanding, cannot determine the truth in context.

It takes first, years of discipleship based on the scriptures alone, reading it again and again.

And then part by part and time to time revelational understanding will be released from above to us. (because we did not get it when we read these same passages earlier).

Then we'll be able according also to the wisdom given us from above in learning, able to interpret, even in other words, also to sum them up short, to minister and witness to others. (2Timothy3:16&17)

As the 'rapture' referred to the church fathers is actually the 'first resurrection' in the scripture(word of GOD).

The 'second coming' like a thief of Jesus in the 'clouds' is to bring home the first batch of the ready and prepared church saints, even all who died ready and prepared of HIS coming soon.

Then, the other living batch who were ready and not prepared spiritually, will b left behind, to go through the thousand years.

That in lesson, they and the future generation of church, be diligently ready and prepared spiritually, dead or living, for the 'second resurrection'.

The resurrection for the Final judgement on the church sheep and church goats, where they are those who'll resurrect unto life in Heaven and those who'll resurrect unto damnation in hell.

And the 'post-trib rapture' mentioned by some of them, including us, is actually the 'first resurrection' in the scripture. (Revelation ch. 20)

John saw these souls in Heaven 'beheaded' for not yielding to anti-Christ's laws, demands and threats during the Great Tribulation. (vs.4)

Moreover further in the scripture, they are those who have come out of the Great Tribulation. (Rev. 7:14)

And these souls that have part in the 'first resurrection' where 'second death' have no power over them, lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Therefore reasonable and wise saints in Christ, did the 'first resurrection' take place, 'before', 'or in the midst', or 'towards the end', of the Great Tribulation?

To us, 'towards the end', just before Jesus' third coming with the angels in Heaven who followed Him to fight, anti-Christ, the kings of the earth and their armies who've waged war against the Lamb.

'Very short gap' between the second and third coming of Christ, because after the 'second coming' and 'first resurrection' of the church saints?

His 'second coming' is very soon on earth, where anti-Christ cum the false prophet finally are cast alive into the lake of fire, and likewise satan will be bound in the bottomless pit for a 'thousand years'.

To conclude 'very close' because, the resurrected church saints lived and reigned with Christ a 'thousand years', and likewise satan is bound in the bottomless pit a 'thousand years'.

Thank you for your input and peace in Jesus name

 

[David in NJ]

There's yet another thing.
Every postrib rapture teacher needs to be fired for omitting the 2 wives

Did the LORD Jesus Christ fulfill all Righteousness?

Yes or No

 

[bro.tan]

Am glad you're getting it, Glory be to GOD because of our Lord Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost who serve Him.

Read on, at the 'first resurrection', for those who made it, 'second death' have no power over them, blessed and holy he that have part in the in the 'first resurrection'.

Therefore also during the thousand years the dead will not rise again until the thousand years are over.

When the thousand years are over the 'second resurrection' takes place, where there'll be those resurrect unto life and those resurrect unto damnation.

Finally, second death will have power over those who resurrect unto 'damnation', to hell eternal forever and ever.

Shalom in the name of Lord Jesus Christ

How do you become one of those who come up in the first resurrection? Please post and write verses.

 

[Fred J]

How do you become one of those who come up in the first resurrection? Please post and write verses.

i did not, but the KJV Book of Revelation did.

Revelation 20:
5. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection, on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of GOD and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand tears.

Shalom in the name of Lord Jesus Christ

 

[Fred J]

...and yet "years and years of study "....with your omissions is telling, because you COMPLETELY MISS the heart of end times.
1) the gentile bride
2) the Jewish bride
3) the covenant Jews gathered
4) the Harvest dynamic
5) the purpose of the trib
6) the FACT OF 3 SEPARATE comings
( Matthew 24 has 2 separate comings and Rev 14 has a SEPARATE COMING in the middle of the trib )...3 comings you guys cram recklessly into one.
7) so, after missing meaningful study , you claim high ground.

Thr Pharisees knew 10 times your knowledge, and missed God 100%.

50 years of study through a muddied up doctrine, would be backwards, as every postrib rapture adherent demonstrates.

"Study" implies honest incorporation of verses.
Omission ( the best label of the postrib rapture doctrine) GUARANTEES ERROR.

That's your version and ridicule as usual, hence now you're talking about Christ's coming.

Well, this is the given mine of His comings by record in the New Testament.

Christ's 'first coming' is to bring grace and truth, and to take away the sins of the world, crucified, died, buried, cum on the third day rose again whilst ascended to Heaven.

He's 'second coming' is like the thief in the night, in the clouds and in the air, to bring with Him, His first batch of church saints ready and prepared spiritually to have part in the 'first resurrection'.

He's 'third coming' is obviously here on earth with His angels, where upon anti-Christ seeing the Lamb, he, the kings of the earth and their armies, will wage war with the Lamb. Apparently the Lamb with His angels wins, and finally anti-Christ and the false prophet are cast alive into the lake of fire. And satan who possess anti-Christ the man, will be bound in the bottomless pit for a thousand years.

 

[MonoBiblical]

That's your version and ridicule as usual, hence now you're talking about Christ's coming.

Well, this is the given mine of His comings by record in the New Testament.

Christ's 'first coming' is to bring grace and truth, and to take away the sins of the world, crucified, died, buried, cum on the third day rose again whilst ascended to Heaven.

He's 'second coming' is like the thief in the night, in the clouds and in the air, to bring with Him, His first batch of church saints ready and prepared spiritually to have part in the 'first resurrection'.

He's 'third coming' is obviously here on earth with His angels, where upon anti-Christ seeing the Lamb, he, the kings of the earth and their armies, will wage war with the Lamb. Apparently the Lamb with His angels wins, and finally anti-Christ and the false prophet are cast alive into the lake of fire. And satan who possess anti-Christ the man, will be bound in the bottomless pit for a thousand years.

Prove it using scripture :)

 

[Fred J]

( Matthew 24 has 2 separate comings and Rev 14 has a SEPARATE COMING in the middle of the trib )...3 comings you guys cram recklessly into one.

Middle of the Great Tribulation He comes according to you, therefore the church saints did not live through the Great Tribulation?

Revelation 7:
14. And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

This verse describes that the church saints went through the Great Tribulation and come out of it.

Readers, is there more than one 'Great Tribulation', specifically written in the New Testament?

Thank you and shalom in the name of Jesus Christ our Lord

 

[Fred J]

Prove it using scripture :)

Fair enough!

His 'first coming' is in the Gospel of the New Testament.

His 'second coming', (1Thessalonians4:14-17), (Matthew24:30), Christ coming in the clouds, and the saints together will be caught up in the clouds as well. to meet the Lord in the air.

(Therefore He did not step foot on earth)

His 'third coming', (Revelation19:11-21), Christ coming to earth to wage war with anti-Christ, the kings of the earth and their armies.

And the remnant were slain with the sword of Him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of His mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh. (vs.21)

Again, this takes place on earth, period

 

[David in NJ]

That's your version and ridicule as usual, hence now you're talking about Christ's coming.

Well, this is the given mine of His comings by record in the New Testament.

Christ's 'first coming' is to bring grace and truth, and to take away the sins of the world, crucified, died, buried, cum on the third day rose again whilst ascended to Heaven.

He's 'second coming' is like the thief in the night, in the clouds and in the air, to bring with Him, His first batch of church saints ready and prepared spiritually to have part in the 'first resurrection'.

He's 'third coming' is obviously here on earth with His angels, where upon anti-Christ seeing the Lamb, he, the kings of the earth and their armies, will wage war with the Lamb. Apparently the Lamb with His angels wins, and finally anti-Christ and the false prophet are cast alive into the lake of fire. And satan who possess anti-Christ the man, will be bound in the bottomless pit for a thousand years.

Today's TRUTH Challenge = There does not exist in Scripture a single Prophecy as 3 Comings of the LORD

You divided the Second Coming into TWO thus making it a 3rd.

In Order for your theory to be truth, it MUST be Spoken by God = Matthew 4:4 & Proverbs 30:5-6

The Second Coming of Christ is the "DAY of the LORD" whereby HE gathers His Elect via: :
1. RESURRECTION of the Saints - 1 Thess 4:16
2. Rapture of remaining alive Saints - 1 Thess 4:17 , 2 Thess 2:1-4
3. Wrath poured out on the wicked 1 Thess 1:10 & 5:1-9 , 2 Thess 2:5-12

Dear @Fred J , if you are able to find JESUS declaring more then HIS 2nd Coming, please post it - Thank You

Things to seriously consider
Are we permitted to add to God's words what HE never said???
For that is what satan did in the Garden and has never stopped = Revelation 12:15

@rebuilder 454 , @The Light , @Ronald Nolette

 

[Ronald Nolette]

When the scripture clearly read straightforwardly, the raptured church saints will be caught up together 'in the clouds', to meet the Lord 'in the air'.

And your initial version 'babble' is, they'll be caught up in the '2nd Heaven' and 'atmosphere'.

Therefore if mine is inspired man of GOD made, then yours is 'self explanatory' carnal man made.

Let GOD and HIS scripture be the truth and man a liar.

_Please do not break your arm, patting yourself on your back!

So now the whole argument lies in the fact I mentioned 2nd heaven as a probability.

See I fully believe it is in our atmosphere, but I give the leeway simply because there are clouds in the 2nd heaven or space.

The rapture is pre-trib for the tribulation serves two purposes.

1. To punish unbelieving man for wrecking the earth.

2. To prepare the nation of Israel to receive Jesus as Messiah as a nation.

There is only one verse in the NT that defines the time of the rapture.

1 Thessalonians 1:10
And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

Here is an excellent free source from a devoout Messianic Jew:

https://cloud.arielcontent.org/free/mbs039m.pdf

 

[bro.tan]

i did not, but the KJV Book of Revelation did.

Revelation 20:
5. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection, on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of GOD and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand tears.

Shalom in the name of Lord Jesus Christ

I agree with the verses, but that's not answer. The answer is..... A man asked Jesus this very question, "...What good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?", and Jesus replied, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. (Matthew 19:16-19).

This was a direct answer to a direct question, which all of us will do well to take heed to. Anybody can claim to have faith, but actions speak louder than words. Faith and works go together and you can't have one without the other. "Here is the patience of the saints; here are they that keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus" (Revelation 14:12).

Paul say in 1 Corinthians 15: 20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
Paul also said in 1 Thessalonians 3:13 To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.

So to become a Saint and come back with the Lord, one must keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

 

[David in NJ]

I agree with the verses, but that's not answer. The answer is..... A man asked Jesus this very question, "...What good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?", and Jesus replied, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. (Matthew 19:16-19).

This was a direct answer to a direct question, which all of us will do well to take heed to. Anybody can claim to have faith, but actions speak louder than words. Faith and works go together and you can't have one without the other. "Here is the patience of the saints; here are they that keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus" (Revelation 14:12).

Paul say in 1 Corinthians 15: 20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
Paul also said in 1 Thessalonians 3:13 To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.

So to become a Saint and come back with the Lord, one must keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

But the young man was not saved by his faith in the scriptures and good works...................

There is a GLORIOUS TRUTH that is in Matthew 19:16-26

 

[Fred J]

But the young man was not saved by his faith in the scriptures and good works...................

There is a GLORIOUS TRUTH that is in Matthew 19:16-26

You're 'backwards' and have not add to your faith among others, 'knowledge'.

'bro tan' is quoting scripture, ministering and witnessing about the young man after becoming saved, and is now a 'church saint'.

Therefore becoming discipled in All Scripture=Holy Bible, followed by 'faith' and 'every good works' in service for the Kingdom of GOD. (2Timothy3:16&17)

Romans 10:
17. So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of GOD.

In other words, the young man is saved and have now entered the 'gates' into the Kingdom of GOD, and a 'church saint'.

What's ahead of him?

A 'narrow road' that leads to GOD's house or dwelling, and furthermore, the 'way is hard' and 'difficult to follow', for 'only a few make it'.

On top of it, even by having the 'map' and the 'torch' for night(age of darkness), it's the same, 'for only a few make it'.

Therefore what is the 'map' and the 'torch'?

Psalms 119:
105. Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.

All honor, praise and glory be unto GOD the FATHER of our Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Fred J]

Today's TRUTH Challenge = There does not exist in Scripture a single Prophecy as 3 Comings of the LORD

You divided the Second Coming into TWO thus making it a 3rd.

In Order for your theory to be truth, it MUST be Spoken by God = Matthew 4:4 & Proverbs 30:5-6

The Second Coming of Christ is the "DAY of the LORD" whereby HE gathers His Elect via: :
1. RESURRECTION of the Saints - 1 Thess 4:16
2. Rapture of remaining alive Saints - 1 Thess 4:17 , 2 Thess 2:1-4
3. Wrath poured out on the wicked 1 Thess 1:10 & 5:1-9 , 2 Thess 2:5-12

Dear @Fred J , if you are able to find JESUS declaring more then HIS 2nd Coming, please post it - Thank You

Things to seriously consider
Are we permitted to add to God's words what HE never said???
For that is what satan did in the Garden and has never stopped = Revelation 12:15

@rebuilder 454 , @The Light , @Ronald Nolette

Go back to my #110

Thank you

 

[David in NJ]

You're 'backwards' and have not add to your faith among others, 'knowledge'.

'bro tan' is quoting scripture, ministering and witnessing about the young man after becoming saved, and is now a 'church saint'.

Therefore becoming discipled in All Scripture=Holy Bible, followed by 'faith' and 'every good works' in service for the Kingdom of GOD. (2Timothy3:16&17)

Romans 10:
17. So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of GOD.

In other words, the young man is saved and have now entered the 'gates' into the Kingdom of GOD, and a 'church saint'.

What's ahead of him?

A 'narrow road' that leads to GOD's house or dwelling, and furthermore, the 'way is hard' and 'difficult to follow', for 'only a few make it'.

On top of it, even by having the 'map' and the 'torch' for night(age of darkness), it's the same, 'for only a few make it'.

Therefore what is the 'map' and the 'torch'?

Psalms 119:
105. Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.

All honor, praise and glory be unto GOD the FATHER of our Lord Jesus Christ.

i AGREE with @bro.tan and the scriptures you pointed out here of how God gives us "His Good works" to walk in but they are not FOR salvation but they accompany Salvation and are Evidence of being SAVED.

i am speaking of the young of the young man who THOUGHT he was saved thru good works and scripture study = he was not!!!

Do you understand this???

 

[David in NJ]

Go back to my #110

Thank you

Thank You = Yes, i SEE that some are trying to separate His Coming in the clouds from His then Stepping Down on the Mount of Olives.

This all takes place in His 2nd Coming.

JESUS does not Descend from Heaven, swoop up the saints and return to Heaven with them = no such prophecy exists in scripture = ANYWHERE.

It is 100% man-made speculation of a 3rd Coming of Christ for NO SUCH scripture or prophecy or Apostles writings or Revelation contain such a thought.

IMPORTANT: The LORD Keeps me in His Truth and i am ALWAYS OPEN to the HOLY SPIRIT of Truth for correction from the WORD.
If you and @bro.tan find clear prophecy and/or scripture declaring a 3rd Return/Coming of Christ = PLEASE post it for us - Thank You

SHALOM to @Fred J and @bro.tan

 

[rebuilder 454]

Middle of the Great Tribulation He comes according to you, therefore the church saints did not live through the Great Tribulation?

Revelation 7:
14. And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

This verse describes that the church saints went through the Great Tribulation and come out of it.

Readers, is there more than one 'Great Tribulation', specifically written in the New Testament?

Thank you and shalom in the name of Jesus Christ our Lord

Rev 14 is right before the wrath part of the 7 yr gt.
Rev 14 is a Jewish gathering.

I read it like it says.

 

[David in NJ]

Rev 14 is right before the wrath part of the 7 yr gt.
Rev 14 is a Jewish gathering.

I read it like it says.

Are you in CHRIST ???