Revelation 20: 5&6

[Fred J]

We must also refrain from assuming and accusing especially when there is no evidence of such to assume.

You asked for scripture and i joyfully provided one scripture passage that reflects the Source of Scripture.

When you can't answer and don't have the answer, you tend to go back to your 'self' mode as above.

You want us to agree with the answer you gave and not question more, you'd be at peace and friends?

When we perceive those who're 'shortsighted', and need help, but they're merely proud to attain it.

 

[Fred J]

Zion is a subject that I am weak on.
But In case its relevant, I don't believe in REPLACEMENT THEOLGY.

I accept and believe that the 'body of Christ' as taught by only Paul are the Gal 3:28, 1 Cor 12:13, Col 3:11 believers today.
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i get it, continue in your discipleship, because there's doctrine of 'milk' for the 'lambs', and there's doctrine of 'meat' for the 'sheep'.

Thank you

 

[David in NJ]

When you can't answer and don't have the answer, you tend to go back to your 'self' mode as above.

You want us to agree with the answer you gave and not question more, you'd be at peace and friends?

When we perceive those who're 'shortsighted', and need help, but they're merely proud to attain it.

Always know this = every word we speak we will give an account for it before the LORD Jesus Christ.

 

[Fred J]

@rvmb

The correct answer is two Jerusalems are spoken.

The error is assuming that the two Jerusalems are the allegory, when in fact they are not.

The allegorical objects are Hagar and Sarah.

Hagar is allegorically directed to the Jerusalem on earth with the Jewish people who are in bondage to sin and spiritual death/darkness.

Sarah is allegorically directed to Jerusalem Above where God and the holy angels and the spirits of the departed saints are.

You on your own have single out Hagar and Sarah, and left out others pertaining to the subject in context, which things are an allegory.

 

[David in NJ]

When you can't answer and don't have the answer, you tend to go back to your 'self' mode as above.

You want us to agree with the answer you gave and not question more, you'd be at peace and friends?

When we perceive those who're 'shortsighted', and need help, but they're merely proud to attain it.

Also, only in your mind was the Truth "shortsighted" as any English Language teacher would attest to concerning the allegory of Hagar and Sarah.

 

[David in NJ]

You on your own have single out Hagar and Sarah, and left out others pertaining to the subject in context, which things are an allegory.

An allegory is a symbolic representation of something or someone that is not symbolic.

Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? 22For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. 23But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, 24which things are symbolic.

 

[David in NJ]

Also, only in your mind was the Truth "shortsighted" as any English Language teacher would attest to concerning the allegory of Hagar and Sarah.

i KNOW all that Paul spoke in Galatians ch4

The MAIN topic you brought up is that Mt Zion is not in Heaven but on earth in the saints which is false.

Hagar is the covenant of bondage = Jerusalem/Jews on earth who reject MESSIAH

Sarah is the New Covenant of FREEDOM for the saints who have been Born from Jerusalem Above who is our Mother/Origin of Birth.

Jerusalem that is Above is located on Mt Zion Above = the City of the Living God = Hebrews ch12

For you have not come to the mountain that may be touched and that burned with fire, and to blackness and darkness and tempest, and the sound of a trumpet and the voice of words, so that those who heard it begged that the word should not be spoken to them anymore. 20(For they could not endure what was commanded: “And if so much as a beast touches the mountain, it shall be stoned or shot with an arrow.” 21And so terrifying was the sight that Moses said, “I am exceedingly afraid and trembling.”)

22But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels, 23to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect, 24to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel

 

[Fred J]

Always know this = every word we speak we will give an account for it before the LORD Jesus Christ.

That's all you've got to say and 'belittle' others, just because you can't 'quote' more how believers attain it?

1 John 2:
26. These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.
27. But the anointing which ye have received of Him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in Him.

(Readers, note that this anointing which abides in you is referred to as 'it', and not 'He' the Holy Ghost who's at work in a different manner)

2 Timothy 3:
16. All scripture is given by inspiration of GOD, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17. That the man of GOD may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

For the record, am not proud doing this but merely exposing those 'christian pharsees' who are proud and wise in their own conceit.

 

[Fred J]

Also, only in your mind was the Truth "shortsighted" as any English Language teacher would attest to concerning the allegory of Hagar and Sarah.

Boring.....

 

[Fred J]

An allegory is a symbolic representation of something or someone that is not symbolic.

You just 'buried' your 'self', figuratively speaking, thank you.

 

[David in NJ]

That's all you've got to say and 'belittle' others, just because you can't 'quote' more how believers attain it?

1 John 2:
26. These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.
27. But the anointing which ye have received of Him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in Him.

(Readers, note that this anointing which abides in you is referred to as 'it', and not 'He' the Holy Ghost who's at work in a different manner)

2 Timothy 3:
16. All scripture is given by inspiration of GOD, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17. That the man of GOD may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

For the record, am not proud doing this but merely exposing those 'christian pharsees' who are proud and wise in their own conceit.

You are lacking the anointing, therefore you cannot SEE

You are in fact operating under the deception of the pharisees, as per your own words!

 

[amigo de christo]

Will make it short and simple for you kids who making a lot of noise over this simple matter.

Galatians 4:
24. Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants;

Will make it short and simple for any who preaches any other gospel unto you than that which ye had recieved let them be accursed .
SO its very simple that every man , woman and child who is sitting in a church that is in any way
connected to ecumenical intefaith , NEEDS to get out . I SEEN what they told the false religoins and christendom .
Beleive me , it was the lie of anti christ .

 

[amigo de christo]

Zion is a subject that I am weak on.
But In case its relevant, I don't believe in REPLACEMENT THEOLGY.

I accept and believe that the 'body of Christ' as taught by only Paul are the Gal 3:28, 1 Cor 12:13, Col 3:11 believers today.
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God did not replace ISRAEL , its just not all of Israel IS OF ISRAEL .
The body of beleivers , both believing jew and gentile , ARE OF ISRAEL .
no gentile and no jew who Beleives NOT JESUS is the CHRIST is of ISRAEL
The children of the f lesh are NOT the children of GOD ALL M IGHTY .
Be encouraged my friend .
Out of Eygpt have i called Israel
Out of Eygpt have i called My SON .
There is no man , woman or child of ISRAEL who beleives not IN THE KING OF ISRAEL . THE GOD OF ISRAEL .
And contrary to what some might teach , JESUS IS THIS KING . No faith in JESUS
no being of ISRAEL . its that simple . Now to the trenches my friend . TO the trenches .

 

[amigo de christo]

The physical Mt Zion in Jerusalem on earth was once the Holy City of GOD, where the Temple was and HIS Holy presence was in the Most Holy Place in the Temple.

It's long gone and non existence, for GOD's presence have moved on to the 'body of Christ', as now the spiritual Heavenly Mt Zion here on earth.

Yes . For ye have come unto Mount zion and the heavenly jerusalem of GOD .
Wherein the temple is GOD and the LAMB
and the beleivers are tiny stones within , who were added in by FAITH IN THE GLORIOUS KING JESUS , the CHRIST OF GOD
the ONLY NAME whereby one may be saved .

 

[amigo de christo]

The physical Mt Zion in Jerusalem on earth was once the Holy City of GOD, where the Temple was and HIS Holy presence was in the Most Holy Place in the Temple.

It's long gone and non existence, for GOD's presence have moved on to the 'body of Christ', as now the spiritual Heavenly Mt Zion here on earth.

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The physical Mt Zion in Jerusalem on earth was once the Holy City of GOD, where the Temple was and HIS Holy presence was in the Most Holy Place in the Temple.

It's long gone and non existence, for GOD's presence have moved on to the 'body of Christ', as now the spiritual Heavenly Mt Zion here on earth.

Its above in heaven and by the SPIRIT the beleivers of CHRIST are seated within it by FAITH in JESUS the CHRIST .

 

[amigo de christo]

@rvmb

The correct answer is two Jerusalems are spoken.

The error is assuming that the two Jerusalems are the allegory, when in fact they are not.

The allegorical objects are Hagar and Sarah.

Hagar is allegorically directed to the Jerusalem on earth with the Jewish people who are in bondage to sin and spiritual death/darkness.

Sarah is allegorically directed to Jerusalem Above where God and the holy angels and the spirits of the departed saints are.

Exactly .
Paul was showing us this . Many now are running to the earthen and this ecumenical interfaith
and beleive this path to what they beleive will usher in peace upon earth .
Whether it be the left or whether it be the right
whether it be RCC or much of prostestant ville
THE ENEMY has come to merge them . And this creature i speak of
IS the most subtile of all creatures and knows how to blend in , to fit in , to appear as
ANY group it do enter . It will lead them all to the second death . And t hey will
beleive as a child its GOD , its HIS WILL for to attain peace on earth .
You read the same bible i do my friend . Tell me
DID JESUS ever come to bring peace on earth . DID JESUS ever say to anyone
OH its okay if ye beleived not on me , for all are coming to GOD in all religoins . YEAH DIDNT THINK SO .
And as far as peace
I know exactly who this is of , HE who by peace shall DESTROY many . That one is termed
with quite a few names , namely anti ch rist , beast , dragon . NOT the one the sheep shall follow
nor heeds its messsage of ecumenical interfaith to find common ground .
The sheep HEED ONLY ONE VOICE , THE VOICE OF THE GREAT SHEPARD CHRIST JESUS who has and who leads THE SHEEP .

 

[Marvelloustime]

God did not replace ISRAEL , its just not all of Israel IS OF ISRAEL .
The body of beleivers , both believing jew and gentile , ARE OF ISRAEL .
no gentile and no jew who Beleives NOT JESUS is the CHRIST is of ISRAEL
The children of the f lesh are NOT the children of GOD ALL M IGHTY .
Be encouraged my friend .
Out of Eygpt have i called Israel
Out of Eygpt have i called My SON .
There is no man , woman or child of ISRAEL who beleives not IN THE KING OF ISRAEL . THE GOD OF ISRAEL .
And contrary to what some might teach , JESUS IS THIS KING . No faith in JESUS
no being of ISRAEL . its that simple . Now to the trenches my friend . TO the trenches .

@amigo de christo

 

[rvmb]

God did not replace ISRAEL , its just not all of Israel IS OF ISRAEL .
The body of beleivers , both believing jew and gentile , ARE OF ISRAEL .
no gentile and no jew who Beleives NOT JESUS is the CHRIST is of ISRAEL
The children of the f lesh are NOT the children of GOD ALL M IGHTY .
Be encouraged my friend .
Out of Eygpt have i called Israel
Out of Eygpt have i called My SON .
There is no man , woman or child of ISRAEL who beleives not IN THE KING OF ISRAEL . THE GOD OF ISRAEL .
And contrary to what some might teach , JESUS IS THIS KING . No faith in JESUS
no being of ISRAEL . its that simple . Now to the trenches my friend . TO the trenches .

I am not discouraged.
Christ made it simple for all of us today to understand :-
Gal 3:28, 1 Cor 12:13, Col 3:11 is ANYONE ANYWHERE who trusts in ONLY His death/burial/resurrection for forgiveness of ALL their sins.

 

[Fred J]

You are lacking the anointing, therefore you cannot SEE

You are in fact operating under the deception of the pharisees, as per your own words!

Ha, ha, let the true born again judge of your 'fallacy', have already given you two scripture, and you couldn't respond to that.

And what you accuse of others doing, you do it yourself, who's the pharisee then?

You!

According to Jesus, the pharisees say one thing in morality and do another thing in immorality.

 

[Fred J]

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Its above in heaven and by the SPIRIT the beleivers of CHRIST are seated within it by FAITH in JESUS the CHRIST .

To you little ones who take things literally and not understand about which things are an 'allegory'.