Revelation 3:10

[MatthewG]

10 Because you kept my command to endure, I also will keep you from the hour of testing which is to come on the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.



This whole world - would be that whole world of the Jewish people - that would declare the ending of that whole age within the region.

 

[TrevorHL]

Greetings MatthewG,

This whole world - would be that whole world of the Jewish people - that would declare the ending of that whole age within the region.

I prefer the latter day application as to literally the whole world and the time of trouble before the coming of Christ. I believe that the Book of Revelation was given after AD70, possibly AD 96. The Ekklesia at Philadelphia could have had some Jews, but most probably many Greeks and other Gentiles.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[MatthewG]

TrevorHL,

That is a different view. I do see differently, and do believe that both Jews and Gentiles were both gathered before. It seems like it doesn't really matter though in the scope of different beliefs out there today anymore. Because all that is important at least to Yahavah, is the change of heart looking towards him and his Son, and walking in resurrected Lord Yeshua's Spirit by abiding in him as we walk this earth. Having love for Yahavah, and love for the Lord Yeshua. Allowing people freedom and liberty to think, choose and deciding for themselves in their own convictions.

Thank you for sharing,
Matthew

 

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@MatthewG said:-
10 Because you kept my command to endure, I also will keep you from the hour of testing which is to come on the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.

This whole world - would be that whole world of the Jewish people - that would declare the ending of that whole age within the region.

'Because thou hast kept the word of my patience,
I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation,
which shall come upon all the world,
to try them that dwell upon the earth.'
(Rev 3:10)

Hello @MatthewG,

'Because thou hast kept the word of my patience'. This 'patient waiting', is referred to in Revelation 1:9 by John:-
,
'I John, who also am your brother,
.. and companion in tribulation,
.... and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ,
was in the isle that is called Patmos,
for the word of God,
and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.'

* The tribulation here is that which is related especially with the Kingdom of God: and the patient waiting is 'in Jesus', as in (2Thess. 3:5) ' And the Lord direct your hearts into the love of God, and into the patient waiting for Christ.' and in Act 14:22, Paul was, 'Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.'

* John was in Patmos for or because of the word of God, to receive this revelation of the events that were to take place in 'The Lord's day', Like Ezekiel in Ez.8:3.

* The following appears relevant to your statement:-

'The great day of the LORD is near,
it is near, and hasteth greatly,
even the voice of the day of the LORD:
the mighty man shall cry there bitterly.
That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress,
a day of wasteness and desolation,
a day of darkness and gloominess,
a day of clouds and thick darkness,
A day of the trumpet and alarm against the fenced cities,
and against the high towers.
And I will bring distress upon men,
that they shall walk like blind men,
because they have sinned against the LORD:
and their blood shall be poured out as dust, and their flesh as the dung.
Neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them
in the day of the LORD'S wrath;
but the whole land shall be devoured by the fire of His jealousy:
for He shall make even a speedy riddance of all them that dwell in the land.'
(Zep 1:14-18)

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[MatthewG]

Hello Chris,

Thank you so much for sharing those things with me in confirmation of my thoughts on this verse itself. You just gave me a whole lot of reassurance. I've always heard the saying "My whole world is falling apart." But the whole world continues to stay together. So my thoughts on the verse itself would to me have to be "Their whole world, which was said to come to an end." Of course, in that day in age. Appreciate that greatly!

Grace and peace,
Matthew

 

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TrevorHL,

That is a different view. I do see differently, and do believe that both Jews and Gentiles were both gathered before. It seems like it doesn't really matter though in the scope of different beliefs out there today anymore. Because all that is important at least to Yahavah, is the change of heart looking towards him and his Son, and walking in resurrected Lord Yeshua's Spirit by abiding in him as we walk this earth. Having love for Yahavah, and love for the Lord Yeshua. Allowing people freedom and liberty to think, choose and deciding for themselves in their own convictions.

Thank you for sharing,
Matthew

Hello @MatthewG,

'For we are not as many,
which corrupt the word of God:
but as of sincerity,
but as of God,
in the sight of God
speak we in Christ.'
(2Co 2:17)

'Therefore seeing we have this ministry,
as we have received mercy, we faint not;
But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty,
not walking in craftiness,
nor handling the word of God deceitfully;
but by manifestation of the truth
commending ourselves to every man's conscience
in the sight of God.'
(2 Co 4:1-2)

* Paul is a good example of how we are to treat the word of God, isn't he?

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

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Hello Chris,

Thank you so much for sharing those things with me in confirmation of my thoughts on this verse itself. You just gave me a whole lot of reassurance. I've always heard the saying "My whole world is falling apart." But the whole world continues to stay together. So my thoughts on the verse itself would to me have to be "Their whole world, which was said to come to an end." Of course, in that day in age. Appreciate that greatly!

Grace and peace,
Matthew

'And as He sat upon the mount of Olives,
the disciples came unto Him privately, saying,
Tell us, when shall these things be?
and what shall be the sign of Thy coming,
and of the end of the world?' (aion - age)
(Mat 24:3)

Praise God!

 

[TrevorHL]

Greetings again MatthewG,

It seems like it doesn't really matter though in the scope of different beliefs out there today anymore.

Despite the many different views of this important Book and despite the difficulty of understanding this difficult Book, the opening verses seem to indicate that this prophecy can be understood, and will be understood by those who are truly God's Servants

Revelation 1:1–3 (KJV): 1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: 2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. 3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

In other words, the Word of God including the Book of Revelation is living and powerful and effective to accomplish the purpose for which it was given.

Isaiah 55:8–11 (KJV): 8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. 9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. 10 For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater: 11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[rvmb]

10 Because you kept my command to endure, I also will keep you from the hour of testing which is to come on the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.



This whole world - would be that whole world of the Jewish people - that would declare the ending of that whole age within the region.

""10 Because you kept my command to endure,""
Since Paul does not teach 'endure' as a requirement for believers today to enter Heaven tomorrow, Rev 3:10 remains a yet future command that is n/a to believers today.

 

[MatthewG]

Greetings again MatthewG,

Despite the many different views of this important Book and despite the difficulty of understanding this difficult Book, the opening verses seem to indicate that this prophecy can be understood, and will be understood by those who are truly God's Servants

Revelation 1:1–3 (KJV): 1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: 2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. 3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

In other words, the Word of God including the Book of Revelation is living and powerful and effective to accomplish the purpose for which it was given.

Isaiah 55:8–11 (KJV): 8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. 9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. 10 For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bri
ng forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater: 11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

Kind regards
Trevor

TrevorL,

Yes many people base their beliefs on the bible. I believe its good for any person to sit there and read it outloud to themselves.

Thank you for sharing yours,
Matthew

""10 Because you kept my command to endure,""
Since Paul does not teach 'endure' as a requirement for believers today to enter Heaven tomorrow, Rev 3:10 remains a yet future command that is n/a to believers today.

Rvmb,

Many people have many ideas and thoughts and beliefs concerning Revelation.


Thank you for sharing yours,
Matthew



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I won't sit here and go back and forth on them! :)

 

[rvmb]

TrevorL,

Yes many people base their beliefs on the bible. I believe its good for any person to sit there and read it outloud to themselves.

Thank you for sharing yours,
Matthew


Rvmb,

Many people have many ideas and thoughts and beliefs concerning Revelation.


Thank you for sharing yours,
Matthew



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I won't sit here and go back and forth on them! :)

All good Matthew, Revelation involves works eg 'endure', so I just ask if 'endure' is a condition for believers today then Christ would have taught it via Paul, hence I ask where does Paul teach that as condition for believers today to enter Heaven tomorrow, hint, still waiting :)
ps, 2 Tim 2:13, the only grey area for me is what if a believer today stops believing

 

[MatthewG]

All good Matthew, Revelation involves works eg 'endure', so I just ask if 'endure' is a condition for believers today then Christ would have taught it via Paul, hence I ask where does Paul teach that as condition for believers today to enter Heaven tomorrow, hint, still waiting :)
ps, 2 Tim 2:13, the only grey area for me is what if a believer today stops believing

Rvmb,

As far I know everyone is going to endure their own suffering lived for the Lord Yeshua. That doesn't mean to seek in being hated, but a suffering none the less. It's good to continue to remain faithful (which pleases God) and steadfast in relationship with Yahavah/Yahweh/Yehovah/Jehovah, however one may use the name of God respectfully.

Grace and peace,
Matthew

 

[rvmb]

Rvmb,

As far I know everyone is going to endure their own suffering lived for the Lord Yeshua. That doesn't mean to seek in being hated, but a suffering none the less. It's good to continue to remain faithful (which pleases God) and steadfast in relationship with Yahavah/Yahweh/Yehovah/Jehovah, however one may use the name of God respectfully.

Grace and peace,
Matthew

Yes, believers today face varying levels of 'tribulation' yet apart from faith eg Eph 2:8-9, Gal 2:16, Titus 3:5, Rom 4:5-8 etc I am unaware of anywhere where like in Rev Paul teaches a level of believer performance is required of a believer today to enter Heaven tomorrow.
Believer performance today though will be subject to rewards/loss at the Judgement Seat of Christ 2 Cor 5:10, 1 Cor 3:15 but I am unaware where Paul teaches a believer can become UNsaved, UNsealed, UNjustified once they have placed their complete trust in the Gospel for today - Eph 1:13, 1 Cor 15:1-4.
To include Rev type performance today as a condition to enter Heaven tomorrow requires blending the teachings of the 12 with Paul.
Yet Acts 9:10-15, Rom 11:13, Rom 15:16, Gal 2:7-9, Acts 15:6-25 teaches that only Paul today has the Christ given authority to teach Salvation where the 12 have another age/audience.
Always happy to be corrected with the relevant verses though :)

 

[MatthewG]

Hello Rvmb,

I can only mention this. In Revelation, the people Jesus is speaking to needed to get their stuff together, otherwise they were gonna miss the boat. The people in Revelation are real people that were in Asia Minor.

Thank you for sharing all you have, I would say that the Revelation and them getting it together may have something to glenn spiritually from, in application however has no bearing on salvation itself. These people were going to be saved from the Wrath of God when it had ensued upon the nation itself. I do believe this included the first-century bride of Christ, consisting of Jews and Gentiles whom were waiting for Jesus to return and take them.

Those are just my conclusions which can always be wrong,
Matthew

 

[rvmb]

Hello Rvmb,

I can only mention this. In Revelation, the people Jesus is speaking to needed to get their stuff together, otherwise they were gonna miss the boat. The people in Revelation are real people that were in Asia Minor.

Thank you for sharing all you have, I would say that the Revelation and them getting it together may have something to glenn spiritually from, in application however has no bearing on salvation itself. These people were going to be saved from the Wrath of God when it had ensued upon the nation itself. I do believe this included the first-century bride of Christ, consisting of Jews and Gentiles whom were waiting for Jesus to return and take them.

Those are just my conclusions which can always be wrong,
Matthew

It's an interesting friendly topic to discuss hence the back & forth.
Though I used to I'm now not convinced that any of Rev applies before 1 Thess 4:17 & 1 Cor 15:52.
"Get their stuff together" currently affects believers 'today' at the Judgement Seat of Christ eg 1 Cor 3:15.
"Get their stuff together" in Rev appears to be treated differently & worse still, take the mark = LOSS of Salvation which is not taught by Paul that I'm aware of.

 

[MatthewG]

Hello Rvmb,

Okay. If you would like to know what I believe if one can walk away from Yahavah I will be glad to tell you.
You are gonna believe how you will, there are people that do not want anything to do with Revelation.
I can share my beliefs all day but at the end of the day, you will have to choose for yourself. I believe people have freedom to believe, and choose for themselves. I can not even prove that God exists at all.

Grace, and Peace,
Matthew

 

[Charlie24]

10 Because you kept my command to endure, I also will keep you from the hour of testing which is to come on the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.



This whole world - would be that whole world of the Jewish people - that would declare the ending of that whole age within the region.

Would you think that in 1 Thess. 4, when Paul spoke of being "caught up" to meet the Lord in the air, it has something to do with Rev. 3:10 those in Christ being delivered from the wrath to come on the whole world, the Great Tribulation?

Paul is speaking of the resurrection with both the dead and alive in Christ meeting the Lord in air. I think they call it the Rapture.

 

[rvmb]

Hello Rvmb,

Okay. If you would like to know what I believe if one can walk away from Yahavah I will be glad to tell you.
You are gonna believe how you will, there are people that do not want anything to do with Revelation.
I can share my beliefs all day but at the end of the day, you will have to choose for yourself. I believe people have freedom to believe, and choose for themselves. I can not even prove that God exists at all.

Grace, and Peace,
Matthew

"" if one can walk away from Yahavah I will be glad to tell you.""
Does Paul teach a saved/sealed/justified believer can become UNsaved/UNsealed/UNjustified ?
""You are gonna believe how you will
do not want anything to do with Revelation.""
Our beliefs do not over-ride the verses that apply today.
""I can not even prove that God exists at all.""
Blessed are those who believe without seeing.
**
I'm here to try & understand why & how other believers believe what they do :)

 

[rvmb]

Would you think that in 1 Thess. 4, when Paul spoke of being "caught up" to meet the Lord in the air, it has something to do with Rev. 3:10 those in Christ being delivered from the wrath to come on the whole world, the Great Tribulation?

Paul is speaking of the resurrection with both the dead and alive in Christ meeting the Lord in air. I think they call it the Rapture.

""Paul is speaking of the resurrection with both the dead and alive in Christ meeting the Lord in air. I think they call it the Rapture.""
Yes I believe that to be the case which includes all saved believers today since Gal 3:28 to 1 Cor 15:52 & 1 Thess 4:17

 

[MatthewG]

"" if one can walk away from Yahavah I will be glad to tell you.""
Does Paul teach a saved/sealed/justified believer can become UNsaved/UNsealed/UNjustified ?
""You are gonna believe how you will
do not want anything to do with Revelation.""
Our beliefs do not over-ride the verses that apply today.
""I can not even prove that God exists at all.""
Blessed are those who believe without seeing.
**
I'm here to try & understand why & how other believers believe what they do :)

Rvmb,

I am not gonna share anything unless asked.

Grace, and peace,
Matthew