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TallMan,Many Bible scholars believe that this list is meant to include, not only the Jewish people, but people of all the nations. WHY THINK THAT??? The Bible tells us that the Kings and Priests will be from all nations Rev 5:9,10. The Bible tells us that God meant for all the nations to be blessed because of Abraham,in time, Gen 22:18, Gal 3:7-9, Eph 3:3-6. When speaking to the Ephesians, who were gentiles, Paul told them that they were now members of the household of God. The scriptures tell us clearly that people from both Jews and gentiles would be called, 1Cor 1:24,Rom 9:24-26. These make up the household of God, Eph 2:11-13,19,20.What are your thoughts on why Ephraim and Dan aren't mentioned, but Joseph and Manasseh are?John Fox says it's because Manasseh is incorrectly translated, it should read Dan.
Hi there Vickie.It becomes clear the only answer anyone can give is speculation. Ephraim is very much not mentioned nor is Ephraim a part of the 144000. Could you provide just how the name Manasseh was wrongly translated? Thanks
Hi there Vickie.Where did I say in my post that Ephraim was part of Manasseh? I said Ephraim and Manasseh are part of Joseph. Why? Because Ephraim and Manasseh are both sons of Joseph. Manasseh being the firstborn. So I'll ask you again, since scripture of Revelation 7:6 says that Manasseh are sealed 12,000. Who, then, are the tribe of Joseph in Revelation 7:8? Please provide documentation on who are the the tribe of Joseph... because Joseph himself can't be sealed 12,000 all by himself.Hello Jordan, thanks for entering into this response with me. Ephraim is not a part of Manasseh in Revelation 7 and that is just the facts to try to say they are when God clearly did not write Ephraim's name down and Ephraim is not included or God would have documented it to make it known.In fact Levi was placed into the Jer 7:15 And I will cast you out of my sight, as I have cast out all your brethren, even the whole seed of Ephraim. Jer 7 appears to be of the prophecy of the End and God's affliction and Wrath on them as well as Judah, but specificallyEphraim. God appears to have placed Levi in Ephraim's place to make the 144000 to be sealed in the End before he appears. Ephraim hasdone great evil in th sight of the Lord. Reading chapter 7 is an end time prophecy of the End. For me this explains why Ephraim will not be sealed but suffer exactly what the verses below prophecy for Ephraim. 16 Therefore pray not thou for this people, neither lift up cry nor prayer for them, neither make intercession to me: for I will not hear thee. 17 Seest thou not what they do in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem? 18 The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queena of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger. 19 Do they provoke me to anger? saith the LORD: do they not provoke themselves to the confusion of their own faces? 20 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, mine anger and my fury shall be poured out upon this place, upon man, and upon beast, and upon the trees of the field, and upon the fruit of the ground; and it shall burn, and shall not be quenched.Ephraim is going to be facing the Lord's wrath and fury that will be poured out and his fury shall NOT BE QUENCHED This could by why Ephraim is not written in Revelation 7.
Good morning Jordan. I did some research on verse 8 of Revelation. Strange but not unusual, to find another passage in the bible that no commentary is written on nor is the original translation of the name Joseph traceable at this point of my search. Not one translation has anything on the original word Joseph written for that verse. Something that has been either, removed by translators, or added, not wanting us to have the access to what and who is being spoken of. Interestingly as Manasseh is of the tribe of Joseph, there should be no need to mention Manasseh for he too comes from Joseph. Something is a miss here in this which has been done by man. Though this is an area still, that to assume where a verse or a thought is not accurate, or complete, proof must be sought and not just assumed.Hi there Vickie.Where did I say in my post that Ephraim was part of Manasseh? I said Ephraim and Manasseh are part of Joseph. Why? Because Ephraim and Manasseh are both sons of Joseph. Manasseh being the firstborn. So I'll ask you again, since scripture of Revelation 7:6 says that Manasseh are sealed 12,000. Who, then, are the tribe of Joseph in Revelation 7:8? Please provide documentation on who are the the tribe of Joseph... because Joseph himself can't be sealed 12,000 all by himself.