Reviving Biblical Christianity (The Way) Part 1

[Episkopos]

Yes. But the point I was making is that sincere and genuine born again believers who have received Christ and His Spirit do not typically start out practicing lawlessness and iniquity.

But many end that way. Grace is deceitful...for all who entertain self-interest. One must let go of one's life in order to find eternal life.

I consider it to be tremendously presumptuous to call people pretenders on the basis of disagreement over doctrine, when you don't know their lives and hearts.

I am calling out the presumptuous. And I know God and His ways. I don't have beliefs...I have testimony.

Yes, I agree, humility, honesty and the fear of the Lord, and deep repentance, Godly sorrow, confessing our sins/faults, etc, amen.

At least in theory....I know. It's in the bible with too much evidence to just explain away. Or are such character traits only for the Jews?...as you would normally deflect?

 

[amigo de christo]

Yes. But the point I was making is that sincere and genuine born again believers who have received Christ and His Spirit do not typically start out practicing lawlessness and iniquity. We are righteous living though not perfected yet, and as well God's righteousness is being imputed to us by grace. But yes, any believer may slide and be tempted or deceived and drawn away or fall away etc, after coming to know the Lord....the devil prowls around like a roaring lion seeking who he may devour.....hence the warnings. If anyone tries the Lord and grieves His Spirit enough His longsuffering may come to an end, His Spirit may depart, and then His righteousness is no longer being imputed to them any more....in other words they are fallen away.


I consider it to be tremendously presumptuous to call people pretenders on the basis of disagreement over doctrine, when you don't know their lives and hearts.


I think anyone who is living righteously and not knowingly living in wilful sins can exclude themselves from that, although it is God who judges us. It's our new man who is seated in heavenly places with Christ, not our flesh nature/old man. If Christ is in us, we are where He is....His Spirit within us is not restricted to time and space.. And it is our old flesh nature that we are to reckon as being crucified with Christ. But the more we go along the more we realize what we are without the Lord, our old nature ....utterly unworthy and wretched..


It's not we in our old self that is holy and righteous...it is our new man and how God is choosing to graciously see us through the cross. Nobody should be claiming their flesh nature is holy and righteous, because it just isn't, it's the opposite. Yes, I agree, humility, honesty and the fear of the Lord, and deep repentance, Godly sorrow, confessing our sins/faults, etc, amen.

to the trenches one and all . We gots us a gospel to preach . This world is dying and in its last hour of death thralls .
ONLY JESUS can save them . and interfaith will grave them all .
IF we love , WE would have pointed them TO ONLY FAITH IN JESUS THE CHRIST and got them into the bible
To learn of HIM .
IF we loved this people we had POINTED ONLY TO JESUS THE CHRIST . And never once given them false hope
in a fairy tale unbeleif ending that will only ensure the second death upon them .
Always remember , HE who made and l ov ed a lie will have his place in the lake of fire .
And we who HAVE BELIEVED IN CHRIST , have set to our seal that GOD IS TRUE .
ITS those who BELIEvE NOT that call GOD a liar . YOU ALWAYS REMEMBER THAT
no matter how many say otherwise .
Fairy tales , no mat ter how kind and caring they m ay have seemed WILL save none .
BUT
BUT , JESUS I KNOW SAVES . AND TO JESUS ALONE i shall point them with the dire reminder BELEIVE on HIM
or perish .

 

[Episkopos]

to the trenches one and all . We gots us a gospel to preach . This world is dying and in its last hour of death thralls .
ONLY JESUS can save them . and interfaith will grave them all .
IF we love , WE would have pointed them TO ONLY FAITH IN JESUS THE CHRIST and got them into the bible
To learn of HIM .
IF we loved this people we had POINTED ONLY TO JESUS THE CHRIST . And never once given them false hope
in a fairy tale unbeleif ending that will only ensure the second death upon them .
Always remember , HE who made and l ov ed a lie will have his place in the lake of fire .
And we who HAVE BELIEVED IN CHRIST , have set to our seal that GOD IS TRUE .
ITS those who BELIEvE NOT that call GOD a liar . YOU ALWAYS REMEMBER THAT
no matter how many say otherwise .
Fairy tales , no mat ter how kind and caring they m ay have seemed WILL save none .
BUT
BUT , JESUS I KNOW SAVES . AND TO JESUS ALONE i shall point them with the dire reminder BELEIVE on HIM
or perish .

Here is something that shallow religionists like yourself will never understand......that unless one believes INTO Jesus (to be where He is), one does not have eternal life.


I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believes into me should not abide in darkness.
And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
He that rejects me, and receives not my words, hath one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. John 12:46-48

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believes into me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. John 14:12

 

[Marvelloustime]

to the trenches one and all . We gots us a gospel to preach . This world is dying and in its last hour of death thralls .
ONLY JESUS can save them . and interfaith will grave them all .
IF we love , WE would have pointed them TO ONLY FAITH IN JESUS THE CHRIST and got them into the bible
To learn of HIM .
IF we loved this people we had POINTED ONLY TO JESUS THE CHRIST . And never once given them false hope
in a fairy tale unbeleif ending that will only ensure the second death upon them .
Always remember , HE who made and l ov ed a lie will have his place in the lake of fire .
And we who HAVE BELIEVED IN CHRIST , have set to our seal that GOD IS TRUE .
ITS those who BELIEvE NOT that call GOD a liar . YOU ALWAYS REMEMBER THAT
no matter how many say otherwise .
Fairy tales , no mat ter how kind and caring they m ay have seemed WILL save none .
BUT
BUT , JESUS I KNOW SAVES . AND TO JESUS ALONE i shall point them with the dire reminder BELEIVE on HIM
or perish .

@amigo de christo

 

[Lizbeth]

Here is something that shallow religionists like yourself will never understand......that unless one believes INTO Jesus (to be where He is), one does not have eternal life.


I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believes into me should not abide in darkness.
And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
He that rejects me, and receives not my words, hath one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. John 12:46-48

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believes into me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. John 14:12

Splitting hairs and putting too fine a point on that word "eis". John also said ye believe in (eis) God, believe also in (eis) me. If we have true faith and have received Christ by His Spirit we have believed "into" or "unto" or "on" or "in" Him. Now we are instructed that we must remain in Him that He might remain in us......if He is in us, we are in Him.

 

[amigo de christo]

Splitting hairs and putting too fine a point on that word "eis". John also said ye believe in (eis) God, believe also in (eis) me. If we have true faith and have received Christ by His Spirit we have believed "into" or "unto" or "on" or "in" Him. Now we are instructed that we must remain in Him that He might remain in us......if He is in us, we are in Him.

Epi do as he do sister . On the day of the LORD many will wail . But always remember
sirs what must i Do to be saved . BELEIVE YE IN JESUS CHRIST . epi no likey that .
He had rather believe something else but uses the Name of JESUS to , split hairs and preach something else .
I would not heed him . As i am sure you well know this already .

 

[Lizbeth]

But many end that way.

Much more these days it seems....sign of the times....it is a falling away that is happening.

I don't have beliefs...I have testimony.

There are those who have both belief and testimonies. And neither of those things necessarily equates to right understanding.

At least in theory....I know. It's in the bible with too much evidence to just explain away. Or are such character traits only for the Jews?...as you would normally deflect?

No idea what you are trying to say here, aside from it apparently being a put down of some kind.

 

[Lizbeth]

Epi do as he do sister . On the day of the LORD many will wail . But always remember
sirs what must i Do to be saved . BELEIVE YE IN JESUS CHRIST . epi no likey that .
He had rather believe something else but uses the Name of JESUS to , split hairs and preach something else .
I would not heed him . As i am sure you well know this already .

Yes, and just to say I'm not heeding anyone here, but I am willing to hear what they have to say to understand where they are coming from and try to sort out the wheat from the chaff. But unfortunately nobody has taken me up on my offer to expound and look at how they are seeing those scriptures I posted on righteousness. I mean, as far as I can tell, those passages directly disprove that righteousness means one is under the Law (speaking of believers).

 

[Episkopos]

Splitting hairs and putting too fine a point on that word "eis". John also said ye believe in (eis) God, believe also in (eis) me. If we have true faith and have received Christ by His Spirit we have believed "into" or "unto" or "on" or "in" Him. Now we are instructed that we must remain in Him that He might remain in us......if He is in us, we are in Him.

It's the little foxes that spoil the vineyard...and it's the little words that show direction that mess up people who have no spiritual experience with God.

If you had more respect for God's word....you might even get a chance to meet Him.

 

[amigo de christo]

the little foxes phrase computes to this , HEY i dont know how to explain it , Just take my word for it .
ya aint fooling anyone epi .
And had you truly had an experience with GOD by THE SPIRIT
then how comes ya got such a problem with those who say YE MUST BELEIVE .
CAUSE That is exactly WHAT THE SPIRIT reveals to the heart of the sheep .
Want p roof epi .
NO MAN CAN ALL HIM LORD BUT BY THE SPIRIT . hello epi . Yet you go around hammering on those
who preach the DIRE NEED to BELEIVE ON HIM . kinda odd epi .
You beleive something else entirely . I bet you beleive the HOLY SPIRIT is at work in every religion
and EV EN THOUGH they never said they BELIEVED ON JESUS , HEY they born again . WHAT A LIE THAT ONE IS .
the reason i brought that up is cause you admi tted you were an inclusivist
AND THAT IS WHAT THEY TEACH . that new age mumbo jumbo oprah whimphrey junk .
OH so lets finish
AND NO MAN calleth JESUS ACCURSED BY THE SPIRIT . SO OOPSY them false religoins that DENY HE IS THE CHRIST
AINT WALKING IN THE SPIRIT or BY IT EPI . you all b een d uped b ad .

 

[Marvelloustime]

the little foxes phrase computes to this , HEY i dont know how to explain it , Just take my word for it .
ya aint fooling anyone epi .
And had you truly had an experience with GOD by THE SPIRIT
then how comes ya got such a problem with those who say YE MUST BELEIVE .
CAUSE That is exactly WHAT THE SPIRIT reveals to the heart of the sheep .
Want p roof epi .
NO MAN CAN ALL HIM LORD BUT BY THE SPIRIT . hello epi . Yet you go around hammering on those
who preach the DIRE NEED to BELEIVE ON HIM . kinda odd epi .
You beleive something else entirely . I bet you beleive the HOLY SPIRIT is at work in every religion
and EV EN THOUGH they never said they BELIEVED ON JESUS , HEY they born again . WHAT A LIE THAT ONE IS .
the reason i brought that up is cause you admi tted you were an inclusivist
AND THAT IS WHAT THEY TEACH . that new age mumbo jumbo oprah whimphrey junk .
OH so lets finish
AND NO MAN calleth JESUS ACCURSED BY THE SPIRIT . SO OOPSY them false religoins that DENY HE IS THE CHRIST
AINT WALKING IN THE SPIRIT or BY IT EPI . you all b een d uped b ad .

@amigo de christo

 

[Rockerduck]

You must also make Jesus Lord of your life. He owns you, and you don't own anything He hasn't given you. Praise God.

1 Corinthians 6:19-20 -or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and the you are not your own? For you have been bought with a price therefore glorify God in your body

 

[Lizbeth]

the little foxes phrase computes to this , HEY i dont know how to explain it , Just take my word for it .
ya aint fooling anyone epi .
And had you truly had an experience with GOD by THE SPIRIT
then how comes ya got such a problem with those who say YE MUST BELEIVE .
CAUSE That is exactly WHAT THE SPIRIT reveals to the heart of the sheep .
Want p roof epi .
NO MAN CAN ALL HIM LORD BUT BY THE SPIRIT . hello epi . Yet you go around hammering on those
who preach the DIRE NEED to BELEIVE ON HIM . kinda odd epi .
You beleive something else entirely . I bet you beleive the HOLY SPIRIT is at work in every religion
and EV EN THOUGH they never said they BELIEVED ON JESUS , HEY they born again . WHAT A LIE THAT ONE IS .
the reason i brought that up is cause you admi tted you were an inclusivist
AND THAT IS WHAT THEY TEACH . that new age mumbo jumbo oprah whimphrey junk .
OH so lets finish
AND NO MAN calleth JESUS ACCURSED BY THE SPIRIT . SO OOPSY them false religoins that DENY HE IS THE CHRIST
AINT WALKING IN THE SPIRIT or BY IT EPI . you all b een d uped b ad .

And when we prove the devil wrong at any time or on any thing, by the word of God, and he has no way to argue, he resorts to being mean and ugly. Very predictable. Occurs to me that this must be the devil's very nature..... he is too proud to ever be corrected and have the ability to ever repent and change his mind and attitude, and just gets ugly instead..........and that is why he cannot be saved and will end up in the lake of fire...too proud to simply repent. He is called Leviathan, the king of pride talked about in Job,, pride being his false covering of hard scales. I believe scripture indicates that this was at the very root of his fall (which followed for every individual soul afterward too)...which leads to the spirit of murder (Raca! - hatred, mean and nasty) as well as being the father of lies.

 

[amigo de christo]

And when we prove the devil wrong at any time or on any thing, by the word of God, and he has no way to argue, he resorts to being mean and ugly. Very predictable. Occurs to me that this must be the devil's very nature..... he is too proud to ever be corrected and have the ability to ever repent and change his mind and attitude, and just gets ugly instead..........and that is why he cannot be saved and will end up in the lake of fire...too proud to simply repent. He is called Leviathan, the king of pride talked about in Job,, pride being his false covering of hard scales. I believe scripture indicates that this was at the very root of his fall (which followed for every individual soul afterward too)...which leads to the spirit of murder (Raca! - hatred, mean and nasty) as well as being the father of lies.

PRIDE .
and let us see another example of it .
When cain was corrected of GOD
he rather KILLED HIS OWN BROTHER than simply repent of his own error . Oh when the dark one approaches
to seduce he always comes as though he is your best friend
But those who resist him , PERSEUCTIONS against such as is ALLOWED of GOD of course .
IF you dont kneel before a pride filled man , BELEIVE ME they will change their countennace towards you .
SOMEONE HERE has LOVED the praise of men and to BE SEEN as a great and mig hty spiritual man
Someone believes they have V ERY HIGH SPIRITUIAL WISDOM and that to not bow before such ...............
SOMEONE here accuses us of the very EGO HE is guilty of ........
SOMEONE amongst us WILL NOT GIVE GOD THE GLORY and THUS RECOGNIZE
THAT ITS only BY FAITH IN BELIEF IN JESUS that one can b e saved , and even walk truly righteously
and worship GOD as GOD always desired . NO , someone here
believes in and has become enamored with HIS OWN WISDOM .
SOmeone amongst FAILS to GIVE GOD the GLORY and rather hammers on those WHO DO
GIVE GOD the GLORY and THUS REMIND ALL OF THE DIRE NEED TO FIRST BELIEVE ON JESUS .
No , someone here t hinks that ol cross can be carried WITHOUT BELEIF IN CHRIST .
Someone amongst us beleives A LIE . and that very lie GLORIFIES HIS OWN SELF .
SOmeone here has put the HORSE INTO the cart , told that ol horse
HEY BUDDY i can pull much better than you , YOU JUST SIT in this cart and LET ME PULL YOU .
SOMEONE Here IS TO TALLY DECIEVED and full of ego and p ride . But will acccuse US of being full of ego .
But ya dont see me saying I CAN DO ANYTHING at all without belief IN CHRIST , and that WE MUST
absolutely BELIEVE ON HIM .

 

[Episkopos]

PRIDE .
and let us see another example of it .
When cain was corrected of GOD
he rather KILLED HIS OWN BROTHER than simply repent of his own error . Oh when the dark one approaches
to seduce he always comes as though he is your best friend
But those who resist him , PERSEUCTIONS against such as is ALLOWED of GOD of course .
IF you dont kneel before a pride filled man , BELEIVE ME they will change their countennace towards you .
SOMEONE HERE has LOVED the praise of men and to BE SEEN as a great and mig hty spiritual man
Someone believes they have V ERY HIGH SPIRITUIAL WISDOM and that to not bow before such ...............
SOMEONE here accuses us of the very EGO HE is guilty of ........
SOMEONE amongst us WILL NOT GIVE GOD THE GLORY and THUS RECOGNIZE
THAT ITS only BY FAITH IN BELIEF IN JESUS that one can b e saved , and even walk truly righteously
and worship GOD as GOD always desired . NO , someone here
believes in and has become enamored with HIS OWN WISDOM .
SOmeone amongst FAILS to GIVE GOD the GLORY and rather hammers on those WHO DO
GIVE GOD the GLORY and THUS REMIND ALL OF THE DIRE NEED TO FIRST BELIEVE ON JESUS .
No , someone here t hinks that ol cross can be carried WITHOUT BELEIF IN CHRIST .
Someone amongst us beleives A LIE . and that very lie GLORIFIES HIS OWN SELF .
SOmeone here has put the HORSE INTO the cart , told that ol horse
HEY BUDDY i can pull much better than you , YOU JUST SIT in this cart and LET ME PULL YOU .
SOMEONE Here IS TO TALLY DECIEVED and full of ego and p ride . But will acccuse US of being full of ego .
But ya dont see me saying I CAN DO ANYTHING at all without belief IN CHRIST , and that WE MUST
absolutely BELIEVE ON HIM .

more hurt pride... and more virtue-signalling. And more of the same nonsense over and over again.

 

[amigo de christo]

more hurt pride... and more virtue-signalling. And more of the same nonsense over and over again.

Pride and only pride would remove The dire necessity to have had to have beleived ON CHRIST JESUS .
And it sure aint me DOING that one epi . that be YOU .
oh you can bring some of his words , so can any false group . But the whole of his words you DENY .
Railing on those who remind of the dire necessity to FIRST BELEIVE ON HIM .
What you give to this people is like a man that walks another man to the end of a pier
and has both his legs tied in chains to one hundred pound blocks of concrete .
And before shoving him off into the waters you give him a snorkel as IF somehow that will help that man .
A snorkel of truth wont amount to the deception you gave . That man gonna sink and drown and that snorkel
will have done him NO GOOD at all . Ya put the horse into the cart my friend . not gonna bode well ON the day
of the LORD for you or for any that sat under your doctrine .

 

[Lizbeth]

more hurt pride... and more virtue-signalling. And more of the same nonsense over and over again.

Ah Epi…preaching to yourself again I see, as you so often do. I pray you will look in the mirror for yourself and that the Lord may yet be merciful and gracious to help get the log out of your eye. A wonderful thing about our Saviour is that we don't need to be afraid of being honest about ourselves and repenting. He is always so gracious to forgive when we do that. And guess what….He always knows long before we become aware of our problem anyhow.

 

[amigo de christo]

what starts with an H and ends with an N . HIS KINGDOM IS HEAVENLY
Dont ya find it odd that many have tried to make it earthen and tied it into THEIR POLTIICS
and THEIR etc .
And yet upon simple examination OF BOTH Sides politics and men , OH DEAR MUCH ERROR IS SEEN .
And people wonder why a document was written long long ago
that said GOVT will not ESTABLISH any religoin . LOOK at what the RCC did
and then later , YES EVEN the protestants did too . BIG MESSAGE , SOMETHING HUGE to be learned
DONT NEVER MIX the EARTHEN and THE HEAVENLY
cause all you really get is , THE EARTHEN ON S TEROIDS and folks believing they do the will of GOD
and oh yeah those who dont conform , PERSEUCTIONS and even death .
WE better all watch out . SOMETHING VERY WICKED COMETH and this one world ecuemincal WHORE of all harlots
IS GONNA KILL AGAIN and USE GOVERMENTS TO DO SO . man there aint anything new under that ol sun .

 

[Hillsage]

@Episkopos I am intrigued having read posts, as well as your first video. Definitely have agreements as well as questions concerning things.

I'm just curious, will your videos address a defining difference between 1. "imputed righteousness" and 'imparted righteousness'? Does your paradigm deal with a difference in scriptures which claim a difference as to us being 2. "IN the faith" comparative to 3. "being OF the faith"? In your reference in one of the posts concerning "transgression of the law" will you also be unveiling a deeper understanding of "iniquity, transgression and sin" in scripture dealing with a 'forgiveness ' of each of those as separate entities?
Not asking for you to elaborate now. Just curious, as to any of those, already being on your agenda....at some point?

You're responding to many so; 1, 2, 3 Yes or No is fine for and answer now.

 

[Episkopos]

@Episkopos I am intrigued having read posts, as well as your first video. Definitely have agreements as well as questions concerning things.

Greetings. Happy to communicate with you.

I'm just curious, will your videos address a defining difference between 1. "imputed righteousness" and 'imparted righteousness'?

Imputed righteousness is God accepting the works or faith of what a human can do. Imparted righteousness is in the higher walk whereby we can walk under the COVERING power of God to walk in His strength and righteousness.

Hence the lower walk and the higher walk working together...a synthesis of both God and man working together.

In my experience believers either see Jesus as God OR man, but not both. But Jesus also did what a man can do together with what God can do...thus fulfilling ALL righteousness. We can follow Him in the lower walk....or the higher walk. But the higher walk must also be accompanied by a righteous lower walk or else the righteousness collapses....and we are seen as workers of iniquity or lawlessness by the Lord and rejected.

Does your paradigm deal with a difference in scriptures which claim a difference as to us being 2. "IN the faith" comparative to 3. "being OF the faith"? In your reference in one of the posts concerning "transgression of the law" will you also be unveiling a deeper understanding of "iniquity, transgression and sin" in scripture dealing with a 'forgiveness ' of each of those as separate entities?
Not asking for you to elaborate now. Just curious, as to any of those, already being on your agenda....at some point?

You're responding to many so; 1, 2, 3 Yes or No is fine for and answer now.

In the faith...walking in at least a guidance by the Spirit...if not walking IN the Spirit. Of the faith means we are being at least obedient in what humans can do.


There are 3 kinds of sin as laid out in the bible. Sin is on the road of righteousness...but missing the mark (of holiness). And the other two types of sin are in the ditch on either side of the road. So a person with no balance or righteousness will go from one ditch to the other...like a person trying to mount a horse but falling over on the other side.

Iniquity is mixing holiness with anything thus making filthy what is clean. The filthy have their own eternal destiny as per Rev. 22:11.

All 3 kinds of sin are forgivable IF one repents. Iniquity is wilful sin (based on pride and religious hubris) therefore the word cautions us to forsake iniquity...as an example 2 Tim 2:19. Iniquity is the least understood kind of sin in the churches since it is so prevalent and it justifies itself by comparison with more blatant forms of sin or failings. The Pharisees did such...and could not see the error of their ways. So busy they were comparing their idea of justification with others...as we see all the time in our day.

Peace <><