Reviving Biblical Christianity (The Way) Part 1

[Hillsage]

Greetings. Happy to communicate with you.

Wow this thread is moving too fast for me. I'm going to skip catching up and just jump in.

Imputed righteousness is God accepting the works or faith of what a human can do. Imparted righteousness is in the higher walk whereby we can walk under the COVERING power of God to walk in His strength and righteousness.

Hence the lower walk and the higher walk working together...a synthesis of both God and man working together.

We have an interesting dicotomy then. I have thought of 'imputed' righteousness as that righteousness which was accomplished by Christ's life from his birth and imputed to us, at the rebirth of our spirits. A birth which gives us the same spirit of Christ which Jesus was born with. The same spirit which made him a paidion/child made us one too.

LUK 2:40 And the child/paidion grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him.

So, from your paradigm, when Jesus was seeking the baptism of repentance from John; When he said in MAT 3:15 ...Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness..."

What righteousness (in your paradigm) do you see as being the 'unfulfilled righteousness' ....(which I'm assuming to have been in operation for Jesus) up to that point? Would you say Jesus had been walking in the 'lower walk' or 'higher walk' paradigm mentioned in your video?

He had obviously been walking in sinless righteousness for 30 years. My opinion is that he walked in sinlessness by the power of the spirit of Christ which he was born with. Your thoughts? You mentioned somewhere about people having trouble looking at Jesus as God. I don't, but I do look at him as a triune being from birth. 1/3 "son of God", 1/3 "son of David" and 1/3 "son of man" (another rabbit hole for another time). And it was the spirit in Jesus that qualified him as a "SON of God" in the spirit realm. Would you agree or disagree?

Then we also have Adam that was created as the "son of God", and walked in sinlessness for who knows how long? We have no idea. How long single, how long with Eve. Based upon your paradigm, why was Adam a "son of God" and why did he sin? Especially if he also had that same 'higher walk' (?) which kept Jesus from sinning? I'm having a bit of difficulty with the application of your paradigm. Did Adam have your same 'lower walk' or 'higher walk' as Jesus? Does this still work for your paradigm?

I'll just stop here. You presented a whole lot right out of the gate. Most won't even chew the meat, let alone swallow it. Hopefully we can assume more dialogue. All your bashers seem to have gone silent since my first post, and your response. Which works fine for me. But I'll still wait a good while before sending this.
Did you steal my 'signature line' icthus, for your PEACE <>< sign off?
I've used it for many years. And I don't remember, but probably stole it from some one else too.

 

[Episkopos]

Wow this thread is moving too fast for me. I'm going to skip catching up and just jump in.

We have an interesting dicotomy then. I have thought of 'imputed' righteousness as that righteousness which was accomplished by Christ's life from his birth and imputed to us, at the rebirth of our spirits. A birth which gives us the same spirit of Christ which Jesus was born with. The same spirit which made him a paidion/child made us one too.

The imputed righteousness is a human righteousness that we see in people like Abraham, or Phinehas who killed 2 people and it was counted (imputed) to him for righteousness. Jesus didn't come to kill anyone, but to give His life for many. So then imputed righteousness is an OT standard. I know evengelicalism gets this wrong...and this because religious quotas must be met.... and the narrow way has to be made wide enough to fill the pews....that's the way of religion.

What is given to us at regeneration is a SAMPLE of grace...and a qualification to be in the higher race that is under grace. An "earnest" of the Spirit...an "aravon"....a down-payment for something to be promised IF the conditions are met. Unfortunately, those conditions are not met very often...especially because the doctrines are so off.

LUK 2:40 And the child/paidion grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him.

Grace being the power of God in a divine eternal life.

So, from your paradigm, when Jesus was seeking the baptism of repentance from John; When he said in MAT 3:15 ...Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness..."

Righteousness on BOTH levels. Jesus is BOTH God and man.....and He was fulfilling the human righteousness standard by being baptized...so that we should follow His example as BOTH a man AND someone who is called into the divine life.

What righteousness (in your paradigm) do you see as being the 'unfulfilled righteousness' ....(which I'm assuming to have been in operation for Jesus) up to that point? Would you say Jesus had been walking in the 'lower walk' or 'higher walk' paradigm mentioned in your video?

Jesus came to earth with an eternal wisdom....but had to learn the limitations of a man...listening to parents and being baptized into a repentance He didn't need. But Jesus was showing us what we must do to follow Him...being conformed to Christ both as a man AND as someone who walks in God's holiness.

Jesus walked in BOTH the higher walk AND a lower walk that He had to learn. Our process is the other way around. We know our limitations...we have to learn that to God the impossible is possible if we only have faith.

He had obviously been walking in sinless righteousness for 30 years. My opinion is that he walked in sinlessness by the power of the spirit of Christ which he was born with. Your thoughts?

Agreed. Jesus is divine and has no sin in Him.

You mentioned somewhere about people having trouble looking at Jesus as God. I don't, but I do look at him as a triune being from birth. 1/3 "son of God", 1/3 "son of David" and 1/3 "son of man" (another rabbit hole for another time). And it was the spirit in Jesus that qualified him as a "SON of God" in the spirit realm. Would you agree or disagree?

Jesus is the Son of God...but He was learning to be a man so He preferred that title...son of Man. Again, this shows His emphasis on obeying the commandments and fulfilling righteousness on both levels...as well as wisdom on both levels. Both eternal wisdom...and the kind of wisdom that brings God's mercy. The lower wisdom, according to mercy, was not needed by Jesus as God...but only something to be learned as a man. Imagine Jesus looking to His Father for mercy?????? Definitely not something He ever had to do before coming to earth. But it was necessary to put Him in that situation so He could identify with our predicament, and become fully human as we are.

Then we also have Adam that was created as the "son of God", and walked in sinlessness for who knows how long? We have no idea. How long single, how long with Eve. Based upon your paradigm, why was Adam a "son of God" and why did he sin? Especially if he also had that same 'higher walk' (?) which kept Jesus from sinning? I'm having a bit of difficulty with the application of your paradigm. Did Adam have your same 'lower walk' or 'higher walk' as Jesus? Does this still work for your paradigm?

Adam walked in the higher walk. The higher walk is a GIFT of grace from God. However PURE Adam was before the fall, he wasn't mature or wise before the Lord. And the devil took advantage of His naivete and foolishness in order to take over the reigns of this lower realm.

When we sin in the higher walk, we are forced back into a walk in our own power with the limitations of carnal senses...just like Adam and Eve experienced.

I'll just stop here. You presented a whole lot right out of the gate. Most won't even chew the meat, let alone swallow it. Hopefully we can assume more dialogue. All your bashers seem to have gone silent since my first post, and your response. Which works fine for me. But I'll still wait a good while before sending this.

Most believers in our time have become spoiled by grace and are unable to think critically. Their beliefs get in the way of faith...and their insistence on facts gets in the way of truth.

Did you steal my 'signature line' icthus, for your PEACE <>< sign off?
I've used it for many years. And I don't remember, but probably stole it from some one else too.

The <>< sign-off I have been using for the past 35 years or so. I picked it up on a mission trip to Mexico...where a young man used it when writing to me. :)

Peace <>< :)

 

[Marvelloustime]

what starts with an H and ends with an N . HIS KINGDOM IS HEAVENLY
Dont ya find it odd that many have tried to make it earthen and tied it into THEIR POLTIICS
and THEIR etc .
And yet upon simple examination OF BOTH Sides politics and men , OH DEAR MUCH ERROR IS SEEN .
And people wonder why a document was written long long ago
that said GOVT will not ESTABLISH any religoin . LOOK at what the RCC did
and then later , YES EVEN the protestants did too . BIG MESSAGE , SOMETHING HUGE to be learned
DONT NEVER MIX the EARTHEN and THE HEAVENLY
cause all you really get is , THE EARTHEN ON S TEROIDS and folks believing they do the will of GOD
and oh yeah those who dont conform , PERSEUCTIONS and even death .
WE better all watch out . SOMETHING VERY WICKED COMETH and this one world ecuemincal WHORE of all harlots
IS GONNA KILL AGAIN and USE GOVERMENTS TO DO SO . man there aint anything new under that ol sun .

@amigo de christo

 

[Lizbeth]

The carnal mind is enmity with God....it will and does lead astray. Too much splicing and dicing and dissection of the word with the carnal mind proceeds from pride and will lead astray........it leads to a messed up disjointed Picasso painting as opposed to a beautiful classic "realism" (truth).picture. What we need is illumination of the Lord.....to become as little children relying on Him.

 

[amigo de christo]

The carnal mind is enmity with God....it will and does lead astray. Too much splicing and dicing and dissection of the word with the carnal mind proceeds from pride and will lead astray........it leads to a messed up disjointed Picasso painting as opposed to a beautiful classic "realism" (truth).picture. What we need is illumination of the Lord.....to become as little children relying on Him.

OH yes . the carnal way of the carnal mind .
FOR with that mind
THERE is a way WHICH SEEMS SO RIGHT unto a man but the end , OH DEAR its DEATH .
For the mind of man do as you described , oh it sure can splash the paint of ideals upon the mind of man
BUT IT SURE CANNOT PAINT the picture CLEARLY . OH b ut THE SPIRIT surely CAN MAKE IT CLEAR .
The SPIRIT paints LOVELY TRUTH
the mind of man paints what might seem as truth and can use t ruths , IT JUS DONT KNOW TRUTH and cannot LEAD TO TRUTH .

 

[Marvelloustime]

OH yes . the carnal way of the carnal mind .
FOR with that mind
THERE is a way WHICH SEEMS SO RIGHT unto a man but the end , OH DEAR its DEATH .
For the mind of man do as you described , oh it sure can splash the paint of ideals upon the mind of man
BUT IT SURE CANNOT PAINT the picture CLEARLY . OH b ut THE SPIRIT surely CAN MAKE IT CLEAR .
The SPIRIT paints LOVELY TRUTH
the mind of man paints what might seem as truth and can use t ruths , IT JUS DONT KNOW TRUTH and cannot LEAD TO TRUTH .

@amigo de christo

 

[Moontan13]

In this first part of a five part series on reviving biblical Christianity we lay out a definitive illustrative chart taken from the bible narrative that reveals God's ways - joined together by Jesus into one "Way" in Him. While this may seem to be too daunting a task to have undertaken, considering the staggering implications of this restored revelation, we challenge those who are serious about following Christ to at least consider what is being presented and take it to the words of God in the Bible -- and to the Lord Himself.

Take it to the limit. Insist women dress modestly without push up bras, exposed cleavage, make-up or heels. What we accept as normal are blatant methods to enhance sexual attraction. Use the sermons and hymns from the Puritans.

 

[amigo de christo]

Take it to the limit. Insist women dress modestly without push up bras, exposed cleavage, make-up or heels. What we accept as normal are blatant methods to enhance sexual attraction. Use the sermons and hymns from the Puritans.

moontan . i just noticed something . And it aint what you wrote .
ITS YA AVATAR . NO GRATITUDE for such a thing .
but do know this , THE GREATEST crusades of all shall soon come
through the worlds religoin that has united all . INCLUSIVISM .
AND IT OF ANTI CHRIST . A harlot kills , and has killed before and soon
through her ecumeincal cup of f alse love SHE GONNA KILL AGAIN .
and as usual , those trapped under her , GONNA SEE IT as a dire necessary thing .
EVEN BELEIVING they do the will of GOD when The true saints who conformed not are killed .
MIGHT I suggest we flee any ho , and fast .
And let us return to some lovely pages of that bible and again REAL FAST .
cause we g ots us more wolves than a man can count
AND MANY OF THEM WEAR WOOL as well . OH YEAH . THESE BE THE DAYS
that all were warned that would come . WE G OTS LOVERS OF A LIE they think is love and believe to be of GOD .
but it of THE DEVIL h imself , his harlot and all that is unholy and in the darkness .

 

[amigo de christo]

Always remember a harlot knows how to lie and to seduce .

 

[Hillsage]

The imputed righteousness is a human righteousness that we see in people like Abraham, or Phinehas who killed 2 people and it was counted (imputed) to him for righteousness. Jesus didn't come to kill anyone, but to give His life for many. So then imputed righteousness is an OT standard. I know evengelicalism gets this wrong...and this because religious quotas must be met.... and the narrow way has to be made wide enough to fill the pews....that's the way of religion.

Abraham, Phinehas, scribe, pharisee or Gentile. It seems to make no difference scripturally. All humans appear have a good/evil nature from birth IMO. All appear to be capable of, shall I say, human righteousness.?

MAT 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Rom 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

But, IMO the 'human righteousness' of 'no one'....allows us to "enter into the kingdom of heaven" 'here and now' (per Matt 5:20). On this side of death or 'perishing', more is needed to "enter". I think, from reading you so far ("evangelicalism"), that you too seem to get the fact that true biblical Christianity isn't about sitting on your ("pew" butt) until "AFTER WE PERISH" so we can then GO to the heavenly kingdom realm. Jesus has called us to do 'even greater things than even He has done'.... How about; 'that WE may NOT PERISH" which is His John 3:16 promise IMO.
Does that opinion fit your paradigm?

What is given to us at regeneration is a SAMPLE of grace...and a qualification to be in the higher race that is under grace. An "earnest" of the Spirit...an "aravon"....a down-payment for something to be promised IF the conditions are met. Unfortunately, those conditions are not met very often...especially because the doctrines are so off.

What is "aravon"? I couldn't find it as a Greek word for "earnest". And in English, shoes popped up everywhere.

Would you agree that at regeneration it is only our spirit, which undergoes this rebirth salvation? IOW, not our soul and not our body? Do you think our human natured spirit became the holy natured spirit of Christ in us? Would you say YES or NO?

Grace being the power of God in a divine eternal life.

Totally agree with your definition of GRACE. It is the POWER to achieve 'that' which God's TRUTH demands. Starting with "you must be born again". And that "divine eternal life" which Jesus was born with, is the same 'IMPUTED righteousness life' which we first receive.

Righteousness on BOTH levels. Jesus is BOTH God and man.....and He was fulfilling the human righteousness standard by being baptized...so that we should follow His example as BOTH a man AND someone who is called into the divine life.

And Jesus told the unsaved "YE are Gods and the scripture cannot be broken." All humans are 'divine' in that all have 'a spirit' which came from "the Father GOD of ALL spirits". But only one spirit imputes us with the spirit which can make any human (male or female) a 'son of God' after the spirit of Christ indwells them.

HEB 12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

Jesus came to earth with an eternal wisdom....but had to learn the limitations of a man...listening to parents and being baptized into a repentance He didn't need. But Jesus was showing us what we must do to follow Him...being conformed to Christ both as a man AND as someone who walks in God's holiness.

Yes! Remembering Luke again;
LUK 2:40 And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him.

Why was "grace upon him"? For the same reason GRACE comes upon any one; you must HUMBLE YOURSELF (or be humbled by God).

JAM 4:6* But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.
1PE 5:5* ...be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble.

I don't think he had to "learn the limitations of a man" I believe he was born with those limitations just like we were born with our sinful flesh nature inherited from Adam, Jesus also took on that same sin natured flesh, according to scripture;

ROM 8:3* For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

Remember Jesus was made just exactly like us who are "BRETHREN" they who are "joined to the Lord is ONE SPIRIT." eg a christos spirit, which is an anointed human spirit. Just like Adam had and just like we received when we became sons of God....as long as we were led by that holy spirit and not our sinful flesh nature's influence.

HEB 2:17 Therefore, He had to be made like His brethren in all things, so that He might become a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people.

If Jesus was the only one who could walk in sinlessness because he was GOD, then he has no right to demand I walk in sinlessness if he did not give me all he had, in order for Him to do so.

Jesus walked in BOTH the higher walk AND a lower walk that He had to learn. Our process is the other way around. We know our limitations...we have to learn that to God the impossible is possible if we only have faith.

I agree, and I believe that Jesus the anointed one imputed 100% of his spirit's righteousness into our born again spirits. And it is that degree of righteousness which is needed for us to "enter into the heavenly kingdom". We are 100% IN CHRISTED in our born again spirit. But Christ is IN my FLESH only in as much as I am yielded to being led by the born again spirit of Christ in me. And if we are spirit led we will WALK as 'manifesting sons of God'..... whether male or female in the flesh.

And where does FAITH come from? No one had the faith to even believe the gospel, until God gifted it to them to 'hear with their ears' for the very first time...the gospel they've had preached to them how ever many times. FAITH come from HEARING and hearing by a 'spoken word proceeding from the mouth of God. IMO. But then I believe the "calling, chosen, for ordained, predestined" work of God in me/all both "TO WILL and TO DO."
Just curious as to if you agree or not concerning predestination for salvation? Not interested in a debate or rabbit trail here. Just a YES or NO so we both know where the 'other' is.

These posts are too big and we both need to be saying less. I'm not wanting to read a chapter every trip here. I hope you understand. I can see you have a big book understanding of where you are coming from. I'm 10 years older than you, and my unwritten book is pretty fat too. But hopefully we can still plumb the depths of a book shallow enough to get a kid saved and deep enough to drown the world's theologians for millenniums.

Going to stop here Episkopos, my eyes are tired of screen distance. But really don't want to miss visiting about things below either. Shorter posts.

 

[Episkopos]

Abraham, Phinehas, scribe, pharisee or Gentile. It seems to make no difference scripturally. All humans appear have a good/evil nature from birth IMO. All appear to be capable of, shall I say, human righteousness.?

MAT 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Rom 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

But, IMO the 'human righteousness' of 'no one'....allows us to "enter into the kingdom of heaven" 'here and now' (per Matt 5:20). On this side of death or 'perishing', more is needed to "enter". I think, from reading you so far ("evangelicalism"), that you too seem to get the fact that true biblical Christianity isn't about sitting on your ("pew" butt) until "AFTER WE PERISH" so we can then GO to the heavenly kingdom realm. Jesus has called us to do 'even greater things than even He has done'.... How about; 'that WE may NOT PERISH" which is His John 3:16 promise IMO.
Does that opinion fit your paradigm?

What is "aravon"? I couldn't find it as a Greek word for "earnest". And in English, shoes popped up everywhere.

Would you agree that at regeneration it is only our spirit, which undergoes this rebirth salvation? IOW, not our soul and not our body? Do you think our human natured spirit became the holy natured spirit of Christ in us? Would you say YES or NO?


Totally agree with your definition of GRACE. It is the POWER to achieve 'that' which God's TRUTH demands. Starting with "you must be born again". And that "divine eternal life" which Jesus was born with, is the same 'IMPUTED righteousness life' which we first receive.


And Jesus told the unsaved "YE are Gods and the scripture cannot be broken." All humans are 'divine' in that all have 'a spirit' which came from "the Father GOD of ALL spirits". But only one spirit imputes us with the spirit which can make any human (male or female) a 'son of God' after the spirit of Christ indwells them.

HEB 12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?



Yes! Remembering Luke again;
LUK 2:40 And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him.

Why was "grace upon him"? For the same reason GRACE comes upon any one; you must HUMBLE YOURSELF (or be humbled by God).

JAM 4:6* But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.
1PE 5:5* ...be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble.

I don't think he had to "learn the limitations of a man" I believe he was born with those limitations just like we were born with our sinful flesh nature inherited from Adam, Jesus also took on that same sin natured flesh, according to scripture;

ROM 8:3* For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

Remember Jesus was made just exactly like us who are "BRETHREN" they who are "joined to the Lord is ONE SPIRIT." eg a christos spirit, which is an anointed human spirit. Just like Adam had and just like we received when we became sons of God....as long as we were led by that holy spirit and not our sinful flesh nature's influence.

HEB 2:17 Therefore, He had to be made like His brethren in all things, so that He might become a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people.

If Jesus was the only one who could walk in sinlessness because he was GOD, then he has no right to demand I walk in sinlessness if he did not give me all he had, in order for Him to do so.



I agree, and I believe that Jesus the anointed one imputed 100% of his spirit's righteousness into our born again spirits. And it is that degree of righteousness which is needed for us to "enter into the heavenly kingdom". We are 100% IN CHRISTED in our born again spirit. But Christ is IN my FLESH only in as much as I am yielded to being led by the born again spirit of Christ in me. And if we are spirit led we will WALK as 'manifesting sons of God'..... whether male or female in the flesh.

And where does FAITH come from? No one had the faith to even believe the gospel, until God gifted it to them to 'hear with their ears' for the very first time...the gospel they've had preached to them how ever many times. FAITH come from HEARING and hearing by a 'spoken word proceeding from the mouth of God. IMO. But then I believe the "calling, chosen, for ordained, predestined" work of God in me/all both "TO WILL and TO DO."
Just curious as to if you agree or not concerning predestination for salvation? Not interested in a debate or rabbit trail here. Just a YES or NO so we both know where the 'other' is.

These posts are too big and we both need to be saying less. I'm not wanting to read a chapter every trip here. I hope you understand. I can see you have a big book understanding of where you are coming from. I'm 10 years older than you, and my unwritten book is pretty fat too. But hopefully we can still plumb the depths of a book shallow enough to get a kid saved and deep enough to drown the world's theologians for millenniums.

Going to stop here Episkopos, my eyes are tired of screen distance. But really don't want to miss visiting about things below either. Shorter posts.

Too many twists and turns here to track your thought process. But you seem to have missed the idea of biblical imputation of righteousness in favour of an evangelical 2-step that fully misunderstands what righteousness is.

In the following verses we see God caught in the very act of imputing righteousness to 3 men. Who is seeing the righteousness and declaring that these men are righteous? God is. What KIND of righteousness is being noticed? The righteousness of 3 men.

Ez. 14:14 Though these three men, Noah, Daniel, and Job, were in it, they should deliver but their own souls by their righteousness, saith the Lord God.

v20 Though Noah, Daniel, and Job were in it, as I live, saith the Lord God, they shall deliver neither son nor daughter; they shall but deliver their own souls by their righteousness.

 

[Behold]

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Ez. 14:14 Though these three men, Noah, Daniel, and Job, were in it, they should deliver but their own souls by their righteousness,

The only righteousness that exists is God's.
The only way you can have it, is if God gives it to you as "the gift of righteousness", that is the 'imputed righteousness of god".... as Paul teaches.

And why does God give a sinner His righteousness?
Its because the sinner did what God required, and that is .. the sinner = gave God their FAITH in Christ, and " faith (not our works) are counted by God as RIGHTEOUSNESS"...

This is how Abraham got it., and that is the only way a sinner can have it.

A.) "Abraham believed God, and it (his faith) was counted by God, as Righteouness".

Now, The reason that you dont have any righeousness of your own, is because "all have sinned and there is none righteous, no not one"'.
And that includes us all.

Therefore, we come to CHRIST, by Faith, and we then receive from God = "imputed rightesouness" that is His to give to a BELIEVER.

No other fake religious nonsense such as this self righteousness tripe you are teaching @Episkopos , can achieve it.

Righteousness is a GIFT from God, given to a Sinner....."while we were yet sinners"......and this is based on "Justification by Faith", as Paul explains and teaches.

 

[Episkopos]

The only righteousness that exists is God's.
The only way you can have it, is if God gives it to you as "the gift of righteousness", that is the 'imputed righteousness of god".... as Paul teaches.

And why does God give a sinner His righteousness?
Its because the sinner did what God required, and that is .. the sinner = gave God their FAITH in Christ, and " faith (not our works) are counted by God as RIGHTEOUSNESS"...

This is how Abraham got it., and that is the only way a sinner can have it.

A.) "Abraham believed God, and it (his faith) was counted by God, as Righteouness".

Now, The reason that you dont have any righeousness of your own, is because "all have sinned and there is none righteous, no not one"'.
And that includes us all.

Therefore, we come to CHRIST, by Faith, and we then receive from God = "imputed rightesouness" that is His to give to a BELIEVER.

No other fake religious nonsense such as this self righteousness tripe you are teaching @Episkopos , can achieve it.

Righteousness is a GIFT from God, given to a Sinner....."while we were yet sinners"......and this is based on "Justification by Faith", as Paul explains and teaches.

More twist and shout from the peanut stands. More bad attitude...more unruly behaviour.

The bible lays out 2 standards, levels or kinds of righteousness. More than one thing can be true at the same time. But one must suspect the motives of the person who can blatantly throw out a direct quote from God and treat His words with disrespect and claim them to be wrong in order to promote a human understanding as being superior to God's. All for the sake of self-promotion and self-interest.

The verses I quoted include the statement "AS I LIVE, SAYS THE LORD". Disrespect God at your own peril. How many here even read the bible?

God's ways are higher than man's. I think you missed the memo.

It is religious hubris and iniquity at work that dishonours God and avoids the biblical text.

 

[Behold]

The bible lays out 2 standards, levels or kinds of righteousness

The Cross of Christ is the only standard for "Righteousness".
And that is because its God's very Rightesouness who is hanging on The Cross who is Himself = the "imputed righteousness" of God, who is given to a BELIEVER, as "imputed righteousness".

Now, Abraham received it, (by faith) before The Cross was raised, and by faith is the only way you will be able to receive it, and if i were you, id get busy getting it, as you're older now and you dont have a lot more time to keep playing your self righteous religious games with yourself and others, @Episkopos .
Thats a fact.

Listen up.......... the only way a sinner like you is going to receive it is to repent of your self righteous religion whereby you pretend that you can be righteous....of yourself.
Its hilarious what you teach and believe regarding SALVATION.....but its also incredibly deceptive, and you've decieve many here who are in about the same place you are.......= very religious, and nothing more. @Episkopos .

See, you dont understand God's imputed righteousness and in fact have denied that God gives His righteousness to a believer which proves you are nothing more and nothign less then a religious tool of the Devil, according to how you deny "imputed righteousness"..

Also, your personal salvation Testimony that ive read carefully , (that you posted on this Forum)... does not contain a word in it whereby you stated that you trusted in Christ, or were born again. @Episkopos .
Not one word.
In fact, Your personal "salvation testamony" does not contain a word by you that states that you trusted in Christ for forgiveness.
And in fact, you have stated many times on this so called "chrisitan forum" that "the Cross is not about Forgiveness" and that explains why your personaal salvation testimony has no Christ in it, no Cross in it, and no faith in Christ stated.

But you can now rewrite it now that you are discovered.
You can now post more fake photos of you teaching the bible for these kiddies here who are clueless and can't realize what you are, or what you are actually doing here.
Sure, you can now revise your "salvation testamony" for these people, as that would be your typical behavior, but ive seen your original "salvation testimony" and its as bizarre and strange as something that L Ron Hubbard (Scientology) would invent while he was tripping on LSD.

 

[Behold]

Reader, your bible tells you that salvation is "found in no other".

And who is that?

That's Jesus on The Cross.,. as God's Salvation.......and its found in no other.

See John 14:6 for the update on who is your eternal and only Salvation.

So, there is your Righteousness found......its "in Him".... "In Christ"./

Therefore, when these hyper religious heretics try to teach instead that your righteousness is YOU DOING IT, then they are trying to lead you to believe that righteousness is found as your deeds, instead of in Christ alone.
So, this proves that their teaching is anti CHRIST because its "anti-Cross" = as is all teaching that tries to bypass God's '"imputed righteousnes" = through Christ alone. So, this type of religious "do good-ism" that is being falsely taught as your salvation, and as your righteousness.... is of the DEVIL.......its a "doctrine of devils'.

Heb 13:9 (KJV).

Remember.......our RIGHTEOUSNESS is based on "one man's obedience" and that is CHRIST on THE CROSS, as He is our Righteousess.

Read 1 Cor 1:30 in a KJV and find out who is your righteousness and sanctification,.....and more.

CHRISTIANS are "complete in Him"...."in Christ'.......and there is where our "righteousness" is found, forever.......and no where else is it found or offered.

 

[Lambano]

What is "aravon"? I couldn't find it as a Greek word for "earnest". And in English, shoes popped up everywhere.

Greek ἀρραβών ("arrabon"), a transliteration of the Hebrew עֵרָבוֹן. Used by Paul in 2 Corinthians 1:22, 2 Corinthians 5:5, and Ephesians 1:14 to refer to the gift of the Holy Spirit as a down-payment on the future promise of a full gift to come.

 

[Episkopos]

The Cross of Christ is the only standard for "Righteousness".
And that is because its God's very Rightesouness who is hanging on The Cross who is Himself = the "imputed righteousness" of God, who is given to a BELIEVER, as "imputed righteousness".

Now, Abraham received it, (by faith) before The Cross was raised, and by faith is the only way you will be able to receive it, and if i were you, id get busy getting it, as you're older now and you dont have a lot more time to keep playing your self righteous religious games with yourself and others, @Episkopos .
Thats a fact.

Listen up.......... the only way a sinner like you is going to receive it is to repent of your self righteous religion whereby you pretend that you can be righteous....of yourself.
Its hilarious what you teach and believe regarding SALVATION.....but its also incredibly deceptive, and you've decieve many here who are in about the same place you are.......= very religious, and nothing more. @Episkopos .

See, you dont understand God's imputed righteousness and in fact have denied that God gives His righteousness to a believer which proves you are nothing more and nothign less then a religious tool of the Devil, according to how you deny "imputed righteousness"..

Also, your personal salvation Testimony that ive read carefully , (that you posted on this Forum)... does not contain a word in it whereby you stated that you trusted in Christ, or were born again. @Episkopos .
Not one word.
In fact, Your personal "salvation testamony" does not contain a word by you that states that you trusted in Christ for forgiveness.
And in fact, you have stated many times on this so called "chrisitan forum" that "the Cross is not about Forgiveness" and that explains why your personaal salvation testimony has no Christ in it, no Cross in it, and no faith in Christ stated.

But you can now rewrite it now that you are discovered.
You can now post more fake photos of you teaching the bible for these kiddies here who are clueless and can't realize what you are, or what you are actually doing here.
Sure, you can now revise your "salvation testamony" for these people, as that would be your typical behavior, but ive seen your original "salvation testimony" and its as bizarre and strange as something that L Ron Hubbard (Scientology) would invent while he was tripping on LSD.

The religious game is your own. Because I didn't declare myself saved or righteous by a religious acceptance of the cross for self-preservation, you say that I can't be born again. When I testify to the power of God who called me and translated me into the higher kingdom walk...you think I'm creating fiction, not realizing, if you actually read the bible, that all of the things that I testify to in my experience lines up perfectly with being a disciple of Christ......for REAL.

I didn't declare myself righteous.....but my calling is directly from Jesus Himself. I don't declare myself righteous because my salvation doesn't come from a self-interested reading of the bible. God backs me because I ACTUALLY trust in Him, not in religious formulas that are invented to keep people duped and in the pews.

 

[Episkopos]

Greek ἀρραβών ("arrabon"), a transliteration of the Hebrew עֵרָבוֹן. Used by Paul in 2 Corinthians 1:22, 2 Corinthians 5:5, and Ephesians 1:14 to refer to the gift of the Holy Spirit as a down-payment on the future promise of a full gift to come.

...right...and which can also be seen as a sample of grace, since so many will fail the grace of God.

 

[Behold]

The religious game is your own.

The Cross is not a "religious game".

The "religious game" is everything you teach.
Thats a fact well proven by your videos and Threads and posts.

Listen, The Cross and the "preaching of the Cross" is the "Power of God unto Salvation".... according to Paul and the NT.
But not according to your nonsense self righteous theology GAME you play with this forum and with yourself and with God.

See, its "by the foolishness of Preaching" (Paul teaches).. that God saves anyone and everyone who = believes.

A.) "all who believe in Jesus, shall be saved"..........not "all who try to do righteous deeds"., as you falsely teach.

See........ Salvation, the 'gift of Salvation"... is based on the Savior and what He has completed by His life, death, and shed blood.

A.) JESUS IS Salvation.......... only.

Jesus told you that He alone is the "only way to the Father"... John 14:6.....and that does not include your religious opinions or false theology or heretics commentary teaching(s) that you post on this forum, that all deny God's "imputed righteousness".. @Episkopos .

See, there is Paul's Gospel that concluded 2000 yrs ago that your gospel of "what i do" and "look at my works" and "see all my striving" is a false gospel.

Galatians 1:8.

Because I didn't declare myself saved or righteous by a religious acceptance of the cross for self-preservation,

You talk in circles and try to "sound spiritual"... because you are unable to just say anything that actually agrees with NT Salvation....And that is because there is nothing in you that is true that you teach, regarding how God actually saves a sinner like you. All you have to offer is this incredible pile of WORKS that you try to perform to replace God's "Gift of Salvation"
See, if you had every actually understood The Cross,.... if you truly had gone to Jesus for forgiveness, then you would be giving the Cross of Christ and the Blood of Jesus and Jesus Himself all the credit due them for your salvation, vs trying to deny them, over and over.
But because they have nothing to do with your religious pretense, , then you are left ranting incoherent nonsense in all your videos, and in all your posts and Threads.
The only thing you have going for you, is that on this one forum, the Mods who have the authority to reject liars, are not able to understand what you are doing here, as if they did, you wouldnt be teaching anything to anyone on this Forum.


Your particular false gospel is very easy to reveal.........as its this..... = "self saving". = LEGALISM.

See that?
That is you..........you are a "self saver" @Episkopos .... who is trying to create your own SELF righteousness based on misunderstanding OT verses that are not related to the NT Church or NT Doctrine.... And you actually believe God will accept your filthy self righteous works., ..YET... He never has so far, and never could, because you have no righteousness that He can accept.. and that is why He gave you JESUS on The Cross...,= as its by the Savior's BLOOD that God is able to give any sinner like you, His "imputed righteousness" that you dont want and deny exists....., and so this proves that you dont have it yet.
So, You're just one more hyper religious sinner, who has a big issue with the Cross of Christ and the Gift of Salvation. @Episkopos
And you'll keep proving this in your Videos and in your Threads and in your Posts, same as you have been doing here for over 10 yrs.
Over 10 Years. !

you say that I can't be born again.

What i posted is very clear.
I posted that your own words...= reject God's "imputed righteousness" and you are outspoken about this... and falsely declare that God does not give His righteousness to a human,.. THEREFORE = how can you possible be born again, if you have rejected the only way to become born again, which is based on FORGIVENESS of sin, that you deny happened on The Cross.
You have to start THERE before God can give you His imputed righteousness, that you say can't happen to you.
So, its your own crazy theology that defines you as religious but lost......and all i do is point it out, and will again.

When I testify to the power of God who called me and translated me into the higher kingdom walk..

I testify that your posts deny that you even understand the Gospel of the Grace of God.
You actually teach that Paul's "gospel of the Grace of god" is a false Gospel.......so, there is no way you could have believed it, if you are teaching this very day on this very forum, AGAIN... that its false.
So, do you see your problem yet @Episkopos ?
Ive seen it for years, and God has seen it for much much longer.

Your own redundant and ridiculous theology that you post in videos as well as on this Forum, teach that you do not have God's forgiveness, and that is also according to your own Salvation Testimony.
You continue to DENY the very means that God has offered, so that you couldd become His = based on FORGIVENESS (The Cross) and "imputed righteousness" that only comes from God.
= You deny that The Cross is about forgiveness of YOUR SINS and that is why your so called "salvation testimony" has no CHRIST In it, no CROSS IN IT< and no FAITH in Christ in it.
= ZERO.
So, then how can God forgive you when you have DENIED many times on this very forum the very means of Salvation that God has offered a sinner like you, so that you could become "born again".

Listen carefully fella.........you have denied How God offers Salvation to you a sinner, so, that means you not only dont understand it......it also means you dont have it yet, according to your own VIDEOS, POSTS, and THREADS.

Understand?

I didn't declare myself righteous.....but my calling is directly from Jesus Himself.

The only calling you have is a inner compulsion to continue to mislead & deceive and otherwise prove that you have no real calling.
I guess next you'll play the Martyr for us again, and say that you are being attacked.....but the reality is... your own words attack The Cross and The True NT Gospel.
Thats a fact you'll continue to prove, here.

You are a self appointed rediculous religious person, according to your THEOLOGY that Denies the "imputed righteousness of God".
And just because these particular forum Mods dont care, or cant actually understand what you teach and believe, is not going to stop me from revealing you to the handful of Christian on this forum who understand that they have no righteousness, unless God as Christ on the Cross, has furnished it for them through His Shed Blood and Death, only based on THIER FAITH IN CHRIST.

And YOU deny this very "gift of Salvation" that they. have attained, and that i have attained, , while claiming you are "born again". @Episkopos

 

[Episkopos]

Isaiah 51:7 “Listen to me, you who know righteousness, the people in whose heart is my law; fear not the reproach of man, nor be dismayed at their revilings.


1 John 3:7 Little children, let no one deceive you. Whoever practices righteousness is righteous, as he is righteous.


Habakkuk 2:4 “Behold, his soul is puffed up; it is not upright within him, but the righteous shall live by his faith.