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Richard Aberdeen

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CHRISTIAN: Paul never once refers to himself as a 'christian', while at least five times in the New Testament he refers to himself as a follower of "the way". The way was considered to be a revolutionary new way of life, centered on the true communism of sharing all things in common and distributing to each according to need, the opposite of both Roman, Greek and modern capitalist societies.

Unlike in the 21st Century, First Century followers of Jesus largely remained among the poor. Paul being among the very poorest of the poor, was entrusted to carry the "purse" for the poor, donated by people who themselves were generally poor.

The term "christian" appears to have originally been a derogatory term invented by outsiders, loosely comparable to the N-word in modern American society. According to Acts 11:26, the term was first used in Antioch. When a Roman ruler says to Paul, "you almost persuade me to become a christian", Paul replies as follows: "I would to God that not only you, but also all who hear me today, might become both almost and altogether such as I am, except for these chains" Acts 26:28-29.

Note that Paul seems to deliberately avoid using the term 'christian' in his response. Perhaps he suspected even then it was being used to place the followers of Jesus back under religious laws, rules and vain traditions, something Paul utterly opposed.

No one knows why Paul doesn't use the term christian in his response to King Agrippa, but we do know based on Romans, Galatians and other writings, that Paul strongly opposes forms of outward religion, insisting that those who have the spirit of Jesus within them, "are not under law, but under grace" Romans 6:14; see also Galatians 5:18. Paul may have been adverse to referring to himself as a christian for similar reasons that people today resent being referred to by a racial or other derogatory slur.

It appears being branded as a "christian" was eventually adopted as a badge of honor, signifying that one was willing to endure ridicule and ostracization from regular Jewish, Roman and Greek society, was willing to adopt a completely different type of lifestyle perhaps seemingly 'strange' to their First Century peers (as it would likewise appear very different today in the modern-day capitalist United States). And, one was willing to risk imprisonment and extreme forms of torture and execution, which could also apply to spouse, children, extended household and friends.

The bad habit of seeking to accumulate more than we need seems to be as old as civilization itself, for as Ecclesiastes says, "there is nothing new under the sun." And as Paul writes, "the love of wealth is the root of all evil."

It is perhaps worthy to note, that even as late as the events in Acts 19, followers of Jesus are not referred to as followers of Christianity, as if Jesus was ever viewed by his early followers as having come to establish a new religion. Rather in Acts 19:23 we find followers of Jesus, including Luke the author of Acts, viewing themselves as being followers of "the way": "And about that time there arose a great commotion about the way."

Also, towards the end of the record of his life, Paul refers to "this way" in Acts 22:4 and "the way" in Acts 24:14. This indicates that perhaps many followers of Jesus considered themselves to be followers of "the way" until after the authors of the Bible had all passed on.

Suffice it to say, both Stephen and Paul in Acts insist that God does not live in temples made with hands, Paul in particular being utterly scornful of what today is commonly understood as "religion". If when we hear the word "religion", we think in our minds of dependence on God's help to in turn, freely "love one another", then the New Testament is indeed a highly religious collection.

However, if when we hear the word "religion", we think in our minds of institutionalized religion, temples and church structures, priests and preachers parading around in garments differing in any way from how regular average people normally dress in their leisure and, an organization collecting huge sums for any reason other than helping the sick and poor and otherwise oppressed, then the New Testament remains among the least religious body of works in the history of humanity.

While many people today call themselves Christians, the New Testament reference to "christian" is worlds different than modern day Christianity in all of it's insidious extreme twisting of the truth. It is not that modern Christianity needs tweaking and correcting but rather, it is completely and entirely very much in the way of the true "sinners" and average people friendly message of Jesus. Modern Christians can learn from the portrait of Jesus in the New Testament that, if it ain't gladly heard and received by the sinners and average people of human society, it ain't remotely correct.

Other than it's use in Acts twice as noted, the word "christian" only appears one other time in the Bible: "Yet if anyone suffers as a christian, let him not be ashamed, but let him glorify God in this matter" 1 Peter 4:16. One should never confuse what it meant to be called a 'christian' at the time this was written, with well-fed and palatially housed televised frauds, clothed in clownish so-called 'sacred' attire and flying around in personal jets, nor confuse this with any form of modern Christianity.

Meanwhile, such frauds extract large sums from well-meaning common people with false promises of a so-called "prosperity gospel". And, rather than giving such sums to help widows, orphans and the poor, as both James and Jesus himself teach us to do, using them instead to live in opulent extravagance. Such liars truly personify biblical terms like "ungodly" and "hypocrite" in about the worst possible way imaginable.

Use of the term "christian" in the New Testament can be found here Acts 11:26, here Acts 26:28 and here 1 Peter 4:16. James may also refer to this word, but he does not do so directly. Even though the term originated as early as Acts 11, Luke, Paul and other followers of Jesus in their group continue to refer to themselves as followers of "the way" throughout the entirety of Acts.

Be not deceived, for the word "Christianity" is not anywhere in the Bible. And there is zero historical or other evidence that Jesus is the founder of either Christianity or any other religion. Rather, as Jesus says in John 10:10, "the thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly."
 
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All you have done is equate early Christianity with atheistic Communism, and then condemned an extreme form of religious hypocrisy and pomposity as representative of Christianity in general. Playing the game of church, not separating from worldliness, and helping pastors become millionaires is called Churchianity.

The words “Trinity” and “Bible” are also not used anywhere in the Bible, but we use them. You use the word “Bible” yourself. Why?

We do not like using “the way” as a term for Christianity, because there was a brainwashing, heretical, pseudo-Christian cult called The Way International that was a non-trinitarian, sexually predatory, hedonistic organization based on the plagiarized teachings of one man.

You cannot use “gladly heard and received by the sinners and average people of human society” as the criterion of truth, since the masses gladly hear and receive many false doctrines and perverse ideologies.

Jesus actually did intend on setting up a new religion and He said He would build His church upon a rock and the gates of hell will not prevail against it.

When a Roman ruler says to Paul, "you almost persuade me to become a christian", Paul replies as follows: "I would to God that not only you, but also all who hear me today, might become both almost and altogether such as I am, except for these chains" Acts 26:28-29.

Notice that Paul did not deride the appellation of “Christian”, but affirmed it, by saying “become almost and altogether such (Christian) as I am”.
 
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All you have done is equate early Christianity with atheistic Communism, and then condemned an extreme form of religious hypocrisy and pomposity as representative of Christianity in general. Playing the game of church, not separating from worldliness, and helping pastors become millionaires is called Churchianity.

The words “Trinity” and “Bible” are also not used anywhere in the Bible, but we use them. You use the word “Bible” yourself. Why?

We do not like using “the way” as a term for Christianity, because there was a brainwashing, heretical, pseudo-Christian cult called The Way International that was a non-trinitarian, sexually predatory, hedonistic organization based on the plagiarized teachings of one man.

You cannot use “gladly heard and received by the sinners and average people of human society” as the criterion of truth, since the masses gladly hear and receive many false doctrines and perverse ideologies.

Jesus actually did intend on setting up a new religion and He said He would build His church upon a rock and the gates of hell will not prevail against it.



Notice that Paul did not deride the appellation of “Christian”, but affirmed it, by saying “become almost and altogether such (Christian) as I am”.
Paul sidestepped the term. True religion is defined in James 1:27, which isn't remotely the same as modern Christianity.
 

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Paul sidestepped the term. True religion is defined in James 1:27, which isn't remotely the same as modern Christianity.
This shows you are unfamiliar with modern Christianity in its best iterations. You have set up a caricature of Christianity as representative of all Christianity.
 

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Notice that Paul did not deride the appellation of “Christian”, but affirmed it, by saying “become almost and altogether such (Christian) as I am”.

Exactly! Paul affirmed being a Christian as being a follower of Christ, for which he hoped not only Agrippa, but that all people would become like him Christians!
 
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Richard, I appreciate the history you’re bringing in about how the earliest believers understood themselves. You’re right that the term “Christian” wasn’t something the first followers of Jesus invented for themselves, and that “the way” was the language used inside the community. That part is clear in Acts.

Where I think we need to be careful is assuming Paul avoided the word because he rejected the idea behind it. Paul’s focus was never on labels at all. His entire message was centered on the new covenant life in the Spirit. Whether someone called him a Christian, a Nazarene, or a follower of the way, he kept pointing people back to the same thing: Christ formed in them.

When Agrippa uses the word “Christian,” Paul doesn’t correct him or reject the term. He simply says he wishes everyone could become what he had become, except for the chains. That’s Paul’s pattern everywhere. He refuses to get pulled into arguments about outward identity markers, because the whole point of the gospel is that the Spirit replaces the old systems of law, ritual, and religious identity.

You’re also right that the early believers didn’t see themselves as founding a new religion. They saw themselves as the people God promised to gather when the Law had reached its fulfillment. That’s why Acts uses “the way.” It wasn’t branding. It was describing a covenant transition happening in real time.

But the failures of modern Christianity don’t change what the word meant in the first century. The word itself wasn’t the problem then, and it isn’t the problem now. The problem — then and now — is when people drift from the simplicity of Christ into systems that look nothing like Him.

Paul wasn’t pushing for communism, capitalism, or any modern category. He was pushing for a life shaped by the Spirit, where generosity flows from the heart, not from a political structure. And he warned just as strongly against religious exploitation as you’re describing. Jesus did too.

At the end of the day, the label isn’t the issue. The life is.
If something calling itself Christian doesn’t reflect the heart of Jesus, doesn’t sound like good news to ordinary people, and doesn’t embody the love the apostles taught, then it’s not the faith they lived and died for.

As Jesus said, “A tree is known by its fruit.” And as Paul said, “If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.”
 

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Lets study actual Bible...

25 Then departed Barnabas to Tarsus, for to seek Saul:
26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch. - Acts 11

27 King Agrippa, believest thou the prophets? I know that thou believest.
28 Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian. - Acts 26

15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters.
16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian... Let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf. - 1 Peter 4
 

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Lets study actual Bible...

25 Then departed Barnabas to Tarsus, for to seek Saul:
26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch. - Acts 11

27 King Agrippa, believest thou the prophets? I know that thou believest.
28 Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian. - Acts 26

15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters.
16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian... Let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf. - 1 Peter 4
I was just going to post those.

I'll post this instead.

2 Corinthians 5:17 "Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come: The old has gone, the new is here!"

Matthew 7, from the Sermon on the Mount.

21 "Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’"
 
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This shows you are unfamiliar with modern Christianity in its best iterations. You have set up a caricature of Christianity as representative of all Christianity.
I have been to numerous so-called 'churches' and different brands and kinds of Christianity. I've only been in one "assembly", the correct term, which was even remotely close to a New Testament "assembly" of Jesus.

In New Testament assemblies, people spoke or sang as they were so moved. There was no sermon, no planned program; everything was spontaneous and Jesus was the leader, not some liar with a cemetery degree.
 

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I have been to numerous so-called 'churches' and different brands and kinds of Christianity. I've only been in one "assembly", the correct term, which was even remotely close to a New Testament "assembly" of Jesus.

In New Testament assemblies, people spoke or sang as they were so moved. There was no sermon, no planned program; everything was spontaneous and Jesus was the leader, not some liar with a cemetery degree.
Once again, as usual, you express hostility and utter generalized condemnations.

Paul speaks of doctrine in the assembly, which would be delivered in a sermon. He also said things should be done decently and in order, not shimshammying around in spontaneous confusion like in the Toronto Blessing chaos.


I Corinthians 14

26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.

33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

40 Let all things be done decently and in order.
 

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I have been to numerous so-called 'churches' and different brands and kinds of Christianity. I've only been in one "assembly", the correct term, which was even remotely close to a New Testament "assembly" of Jesus.

In New Testament assemblies, people spoke or sang as they were so moved. There was no sermon, no planned program; everything was spontaneous and Jesus was the leader, not some liar with a cemetery degree.
A Seminary Degree.

I'll take note that according to you,the churches the Apostle Paul founded were , so called.

Are you here under any other full names?
I noticed those full name members often take a crass attitude jab at our faith.
 

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Once again, as usual, you express hostility and utter generalized condemnations.

Paul speaks of doctrine in the assembly, which would be delivered in a sermon. He also said things should be done decently and in order, not shimshammying around in spontaneous confusion like in the Toronto Blessing chaos.


I Corinthians 14

26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.

33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

40 Let all things be done decently and in order.
Paul never speaks of "doctrine". The Greek simply means teaching; there is good teaching and false teaching. There is no such thing as "doctrines" in the New Testament, which is about true and false, right and wrong human behavior, freedom and abundant living, not religious nonsense.
 

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Paul never speaks of "doctrine". The Greek simply means teaching; there is good teaching and false teaching. There is no such thing as "doctrines" in the New Testament, which is about true and false, right and wrong human behavior, freedom and abundant living, not religious nonsense.
Strongs Concordance

1319. διδασκαλία didaskalia did-as-kal-ee'-ah

from 1320; instruction (the function or the information):doctrine, learning, teaching.

1322. διδαχή didache did-akh-ay'

from 1321; instruction (the act or the matter) doctrine, hath been taught.
 

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Paul never speaks of "doctrine". The Greek simply means teaching; there is good teaching and false teaching. There is no such thing as "doctrines" in the New Testament, which is about true and false, right and wrong human behavior, freedom and abundant living, not religious nonsense.
Let us know when you start your own Holier Than Thou church, since all other churches are so inferior to your exalted level of understanding.

Your pompous arrogance has a distinct stench to it.
 

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Who also hath made us able ministers of the New Testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. - 2 Corinthians 3:6

I would summarize this as.... These type of arguments kill... But the true Spirit gives life.
 

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What a bunch of MALARKEY the original post is!

The word "christian" in the Greek (christianos - NT:5546) simply means 'a follower of Christ'. Apostle Paul affirmed that he was follower of Christ, and so should ANYONE know that who reads his Epistles!

Only one of the "synagogue of Satan" could come up with some LAME STUPIDITY to use in mocking the Christian Faith, purposefully trying to make Bible Scripture say something it does not!
 

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AI on Nit Picking... Nit-picking (or nitpicking) is the act of meticulously focusing on small, trivial, or unimportant flaws while ignoring the broader picture. People often use it to criticize others or as a coping mechanism in an attempt to control situations or mask feelings of anxiety.
 

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Don't believe I have spoken with you @Richard Aberdeen , nice to meet you . tsml

And there is zero historical or other evidence that Jesus is the founder of either Christianity or any other religion.
If we don't call it Christianity, what do we call the followers of the risen Christ ? Son Worshippers ?
I have been to numerous so-called 'churches' and different brands and kinds of Christianity. I've only been in one "assembly", the correct term, which was even remotely close to a New Testament "assembly" of Jesus.
The church I have attended has used a loose format that if the Holy Spirit has other plans for us that is the direction the pastor will go with , the pastor is not so much leading the service as he is being an MC , Services are as Paul described .
@Richard Aberdeen ,how many people were in the assembly you are speaking of ?
In New Testament assemblies, people spoke or sang as they were so moved. There was no sermon, no planned program; everything was spontaneous and Jesus was the leader, not some liar with a cemetery degree.
The Holy Spirit was allowed to speak at any time He would during the services I attended and He did speak . People would give testimony of their walk with Christ , Hymns would be sung . If anyone needed prayer from others we would gather around and offer prayer on their behalf .
Don't discount the degree so much it is still education in God's word .
I will check out more of your articles on your website .