All teachers of truth are seen as dangerous false teachers by those who follow the status quo religiously.
Reviving Biblical Christianity (The Way) Part 2
- Thread starter Episkopos
- Start date
-
Welcome to Christian Forums, a Christian Forum that recognizes that all Christians are a work in progress.
You will need to register to be able to join in fellowship with Christians all over the world.
We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!
Unfortunately Epi, your scheme is based, founded, on self righteousness. That is its foundation. And it does show at times, I have to say.
This is what deceives the church people. God sees our true condition. The only ones who proclaim themselves as being innocent are the self-righteous. When Paul says...found to be sinners...he's talking about believers who want to be justified by Christ IN their sins. Is Jesus a minister of sin? Of course not. In Him is no sin. All who abide in Christ don't sin.
Stubborn sinning is what we see here among those who can't tolerate sound doctrine. I'm trying to save souls here, and people say I'm a false teacher...THAT is willful sin...coming from the carnal man in protection of their enslaved inner man....defending their own perceived saved status.
You have no idea of the depth of this...because you are among them.
Yes...but that outer man is still being trusted by most believers. If people admitted they were failures instead of justifying themselves, then they could be justified as the meek.
Yes, again. But only if we submit ourselves to Christ in the inner man MAKING NO provision for the flesh or self-interest (not to mention ceasing from self-righteousness based on bible verse preferences.)
Carnal people see the ones pointing out their obvious self-righteousness...as being self-righteous just like them. I know you can't see anyone being more than half-right just like you KNOW you are. But your self-righteousness gets in the way of a sound judgment.
A self-righteous person will say that God sees them as righteous because "the bible told me so".
So who told you that you were righteous?
We forgive others BECAUSE we have been forgiven. Otherwise be found as a hypocrite and in danger of once again being unforgiven. See the parable of the servant who was first forgiven his debt then refused to forgive another man his debt....Matt. 18
Episkopos..........unfortunately you're making a hash of so many things that are very simple. The carnal mind is enmity with God and cannot perceive the things of God.
It's too early in the day to think you are speaking from a drunken stupor. But all can see that your brain synapses are misfiring in a major way.
If we only forgive others BECAUSE we have been forgiven then the parable of the unforgiving servant you are using as proof says the exact opposite. ....you have to give the old brain a chance.
Actually the truth is opposite to everything you say. Jesus says we are forgiven only AS WE forgive others...and the parable you cited to twist the truth shows that.
The point is that we are forgiven FIRST and it is from that foundation we are forgiving others. Your brain synapses are firing far too much and therein lies the problem. Read that parable in Matt 18 again since you boast in your reading skills.
Amen. Is that called a false dichotomy or straw man...? Something like that whatever it's called....see it a lot around here. Serpentine for sure. And as Job 41 describes very well, it's scales are its pride shut up like a seal and it is king of children of pride.
Last edited:
That's not how righteousness works. It's about what you do. If you allow the flesh to lead the way...then you sin. If you humble yourself and keep the outer man ...limit his excesses through fear of God...then perhaps God can justify you.
Your new man is enslaved by the outer man...until you are freed at the cross...or gradually weaned from dependence on the ego driven religiosity that stems from the outer man.
MostlyConfused
Well-Known Member
I can't argue with any of that...what will I do if I can't argue with you...lol.
I do think holiness needs to be separated from learning righteousness as it has always been important to God (not mixing wool with linen in the holy of holies) to keep holy things holy.
There's a reason why it is said they tied a rope to the priest who went in there once a year and a reason in the story of Annais and saphira. The reason is to protect us.
Taken from
Guyon claimed that she went through a series of spiritual states by means of her ascetically driven mystical experiences. These are the same type of states that Catholic mystics have always promoted. The first, which she called “union of the powers,” lasted eight years. During this time, she felt drawn to God alone and drawn away from people. The second state, which she called “mystical death,” lasted seven years, during which she had a feeling of detachment from God and was plagued with deep mental depression and thoughts of hell and judgment. She frequently had dark, weird dreams, which she considered a form of revelation. In the third state, which she called “the apostolic state,” she claimed that she was absorbed into and united with God. During this time, she preached, but she did not preach the gospel; she preached mystical experiences.
Run.........
I agree about mixture......but it is our own righteousness that is not holy but common/profane (filthy rags)........and we are learning to submit to the righteousness of God (in us), instead of the old way of seeking to establish our own righteousness.
Yes, the priest had to be clothed in the right garments, not his own everyday garments......or it would lead to death, not life and blessing. There was a lot of preparation needed for him to go into the holy of holies once a year. (The bride or wedding guest is another analogy of the same.)
MostlyConfused
Well-Known Member
I appreciate your warning brother, but honestly I don't know enough about her to know if this is might just be someone else's impression. She might have been using what terminology she could to try and convey what she had experienced...? What she called "union of the powers" I thought was her coming to faith in Christ, being joined to Him, those were just her own words to try and describe it. "Mystical death".......sounds like what some call dark night of the soul where one feels abandoned by God but isn't......"apostolic state" might be what Paul called "you who are spiritual". I think we have to take into account the environment and era she was raised and immersed in.....she wasn't exposed to evangelical protestant way of talking/thinking. If there was an intention to try and turn her experience into a formula or method I believe that would be a mistake (dont' know if she tried to do that or not). Her victory as seen in the poem she wrote while in the dungeon sounded genuine to me, being a middle aged woman living in horrible conditions not conducive to survival.
I haven't felt drawn or had any desire to read anything more of her for the time being. I have Andrew Murray/William Law, Watchman Nee and a little book by Oswald Chambers. Their witness agrees with what the Lord has been showing me so far, and always I am looking to the Lord to try and separate any chaff from the wheat, especially as I'm getting older too.
MostlyConfused
Well-Known Member
Oh, I just realized something. When you read “righteous” you think in your head “self righteous?”
So then we don't establish a righteousness in us so that we can establish a righteousness in us. Makes perfect sense...if you remove any kind of critical thinking.
So then instead of sinning in OUR righteousness we get to sin in GOD'S righteousness? And that's OK because Jesus is sinning instead of us? And that is somehow an improvement that DOESN'T condemn us?
Similar threads
