Reviving Biblical Christianity (The Way) Part 2

[amigo de christo]

As John Wesley rightly said, we are to draw people in not whip them in. The truth in love.

so tell me . since what you said about teh TRUTH in love is TRUE .
then tell me what part of YOU DONT HAVE TO BELIEVE ON JESUS IS TRUE and what part of LOVE IS THAT .
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD IS THAT WE KEEP his commandments .
TO BLEIEVE ON JESUS and to love one another . SO HOW On earth is it TRUTH OR EvEN LOVE
to imply one dont need to BELIEVE ON HIM . sounds like only a lie to me .
And remember CHARITY dont rejoice in inqiuity or a lie , ONLY IN TRUTH .
SO ANY LOVE OF GOD REJOICES ONLY IN THE TRUTH , NOT A bROAD PATH LIE of UNbELIEF .

 

[amigo de christo]

Agreed. But the mules need more than a gentle prod. Have you ever worked with a mule?

And Paul exhorts Timothy to teach, reprove and rebuke with all authority. The problem with the unwise is that they don't appreciate the lengths that minsters of the gospel go for them.

epi it is true that true leaders ought to rebuke .
But me oh my DID YOU JUST SAY the unwise dont appreciate the lenghts that minsitirs of THE GOSPEL go for them .
WHAT GOSPEL EPI . YOU DENY THE FACT ONE HAS TO BELIEVE ON JESUS .
WHICH IS THE GOPSEL . you DENY THIS . so yeah you aint NO minstir of the gospel at all . NOT at all epi .
TRY preaching THE REAL GOSPEL for a change . you know
THE ONE THAT SAYS YE MUST BELEIVE ON HIM . man epi inclusivism has you confused big t ime .

 

[Hepzibah]

so tell me . since what you said about teh TRUTH in love is TRUE .
then tell me what part of YOU DONT HAVE TO BELIEVE ON JESUS IS TRUE and what part of LOVE IS THAT .
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD IS THAT WE KEEP his commandments .
TO BLEIEVE ON JESUS and to love one another . SO HOW On earth is it TRUTH OR EvEN LOVE
to imply one dont need to BELIEVE ON HIM . sounds like only a lie to me .
And remember CHARITY dont rejoice in inqiuity or a lie , ONLY IN TRUTH .
SO ANY LOVE OF GOD REJOICES ONLY IN THE TRUTH , NOT A bROAD PATH LIE of UNbELIEF .

Haven't a clue what you mean. Are you agreeing or disagreeing?

 

[amigo de christo]

WOW . someone here thinks their inclusivsism IS THE GOSPEL .
NOPE .
ITS antoher gospel that IS NO gospel . and if any preaches any other gospel
if even an angel or etc , LET THEM be accursed .
SO much FOR INCLUSIVISM . IT DENIES the fact one MUST BELIEVE ON JESUS CHRIST . aint NO GOPSEL at all .

 

[Hepzibah]

WOW . someone here thinks their inclusivsism IS THE GOSPEL .
NOPE .
ITS antoher gospel that IS NO gospel . and if any preaches any other gospel
if even an angel or etc , LET THEM be accursed .
SO much FOR INCLUSIVISM . IT DENIES the fact one MUST BELIEVE ON JESUS CHRIST . aint NO GOPSEL at all .

Once again haven't a clue. I do not believe you can bypass Christ.

 

[marks]

Haven't a clue what you mean. Are you agreeing or disagreeing?

I think he's saying that telling people they can be saved apart from Christ is not speaking truth in love.

Much love!

 

[amigo de christo]

Haven't a clue what you mean. Are you agreeing or disagreeing?

i am disagreeing WITH EPI . not you .
You do realize what he preaches right . Inclusivism .
The idea that BELIEF ON JESUS IS NOT NECESSARY .
well what ya THINK about that . it is why he hammers on folks like me who REMIND US
that without BELEIVING ON JESUS its all in vain .
And he was bold enough to say HE is a minstir of the gospel . WHAT GOSPEL .
the only TRUE GOSPEL is THAT ONE HAS TO BLEIEVE ON JESUS .
And he dont and wont preach that . you see the jesus inclusivism believes in
HAS MADE BELEIF ON HIM as NOT necessaary . SO IN NO way is that JESUS .
I shudder in upmost fear for anyone who makes it seem as though
it was not necessary to have had to believe on JESUS .

 

[amigo de christo]

Once again haven't a clue. I do not believe you can bypass Christ.

its not you that does that , iTS EPI .

 

[Hepzibah]

i am disagreeing WITH EPI . not you .
You do realize what he preaches right . Inclusivism .
The idea that BELIEF ON JESUS IS NOT NECESSARY .
well what ya THINK about that . it is why he hammers on folks like me who REMIND US
that without BELEIVING ON JESUS its all in vain .
And he was bold enough to say HE is a minstir of the gospel . WHAT GOSPEL .
the only TRUE GOSPEL is THAT ONE HAS TO BLEIEVE ON JESUS .
And he dont and wont preach that . you see the jesus inclusivism believes in
HAS MADE BELEIF ON HIM as NOT necessaary . SO IN NO way is that JESUS .
I shudder in upmost fear for anyone who makes it seem as though
it was not necessary to have had to believe on JESUS .

OK thanks yes I know what he teaches.

 

[amigo de christo]

I think he's saying that telling people they can be saved apart from Christ is not speaking truth in love.

Much love!

that my friend is exactly what i am saying .
so now allow me a few words of honesty .
TO deny or even imply its not necessary to have to BELEIVE ON JESUS
is a total false gospel .
AND it in no way honors the SON of GOD CHRIST JESUS . in fact
it calls GOD a liar WHO DID TESTIFY ON THE SON .
ALL that JESUS DID for us , and folks like some here , wanna give HIM ZERO HONOR for it .
HE who honors NOT THE SON , HONORS NOT THE FATHER .
and acting like its not necessary to BELEIVE ON JESUS , ON WHAT HE DID , HE DID
for us , IS blasphemy .
As for me , I cAN do absolutely NOTHING WITHOUT CHRIST JESUS .
Enough with this false inclusive go spell of epi . I know all about this mark .
I read all about inclusivsim in the library . ITS TOTALLY BAD NEWS .
I dont heed folks who bring another gospel . I shall contina ully remind all
OF the absolute dire necessity for to BELIEVE ON JESUS CHRIST .
Without faith , thus without BELIEVING on HIM , OH ITS IMPOSSIBLE TO PLEASE GOD .
False gospels dont save . JESUS DOES . and that IS a fact .
NO man can save himself . JESUS CAN . so HE ALONE is who i shall point too and remind others of all his teachings .

 

[Episkopos]

epi it is true that true leaders ought to rebuke .
But me oh my DID YOU JUST SAY the unwise dont appreciate the lenghts that minsitirs of THE GOSPEL go for them .
WHAT GOSPEL EPI . YOU DENY THE FACT ONE HAS TO BELIEVE ON JESUS .

You parrot words without understanding. Believe on Jesus for what? Why are people born again? You don't know God's purpose...just your churchy ideas.

WHICH IS THE GOPSEL . you DENY THIS . so yeah you aint NO minstir of the gospel at all . NOT at all epi .

The opposite is true. If you let go of the "another gospel" that Paul condemns then you could hear me. But you would have to be born from heaven and converted away from your carnal ways.

TRY preaching THE REAL GOSPEL for a change . you know
THE ONE THAT SAYS YE MUST BELEIVE ON HIM . man epi inclusivism has you confused big t ime .

You deny Jesus and hate His teaching. But you can't have a salvation that contradicts Jesus. So you are lost.

 

[Episkopos]

OK thanks yes I know what he teaches.

And if you knew Jesus and the bible you would agree with me. God has arranged it this way. All who know the truth will be seen as false...just as He was.

 

[Episkopos]

God has His own criteria for salvation apart from what religious wannabes say. It's amazing that people would rather throw Jesus under the bus than be impeded in the headlong rush to claim justification from Him. But the Lord is NOT justifying them. The justification they claim is from themselves.

 

[amigo de christo]

tye j9

You parrot words without understanding. Believe on Jesus for what? Why are people born again? You don't know God's purpose...just your churchy ideas.


The opposite is true. If you let go of the "another gospel" that Paul condemns then you could hear me. But you would have to be born from heaven and converted away from your carnal ways.

You deny Jesus and hate His teaching. But you can't have a salvation that contradicts Jesus. So you are lost.

Bud you just keep digging yourself deeper and deeper into confusion .
Its not me who hates JESUS teaches . I believe ALL of HIS teachings . YES
even those who made it darn certain we must BELIEVE ON HIM . you only use his teachings
to promote unbelief in him as OKAY . that my friend WONT bode well for you .
Inclusivism is d eadly epi . Oh yeah i actually read about it in the library .
Not from someones web site . I read it . TOTAL bad news .
You bought it . I would not worry about me . I would worry about anyone
who spends their time always t rying to make it seem
as if beleif on JESUS aint necessary . You aint picking up your cross epi .
YOU DENY BELEIF ON HE WHO was crucified ON said cross . THAT is not following JESUS epi .
That is putting HORSEY IN CART and trying to establish holin ess , ri ghteousness apart FROM BELIEF ON HIM .
OH dear that wont bode well for you . nor for any who buys that .

 

[Hepzibah]

And if you knew Jesus and the bible you would agree with me. God has arranged it this way. All who know the truth will be seen as false...just as He was.

But I do agree with you. To walk in the Spirit means we do not sin. Where the Spirit is, sin cannot dwell. But you want to burn me at the stake for saying that Christ is the way the truth and the life. No man comes to the Father but by Him?

You are letting the enemy use your mouth.

 

[amigo de christo]

But I do agree with you. To walk in the Spirit means we do not sin. Where the Spirit is, sin cannot dwell. But you want to burn me at the stake for saying that Christ is the way the truth and the life. No man comes to the Father but by Him?

You are letting the enemy use your mouth.

a quick trivia question . How can a man Be walking in the SPIRIT , WHEN THE SPIRIT IS TRUTH and TESTIFIES ON JESUS THE CHRIST ,
and yet the man makes as if its not necessary to have to BELIEVE ON JESUS .
THAT my friend IS NOT THE SPIRIT . WHO does the SPIRIT testify on . JESUS the CHRIST .
and it brings HIs teachings , ALL things HE did say . it dont omit the fact ONE MUST FIRST BELIEVE ON JESUS .
SO while it is true that one who walks in the SPIRIT would not sin
HOW can a man who believes NOT or says its okay NOT to believe ON JESUS , EVEN BE walking IN THE SPIRIT .

 

[amigo de christo]

God has His own criteria for salvation apart from what religious wannabes say. It's amazing that people would rather throw Jesus under the bus than be impeded in the headlong rush to claim justification from Him. But the Lord is NOT justifying them. The justification they claim is from themselves.

you the one implying this can all b e done even if one believes not on JESUS . it aint us throwing THE DIRE NEED
for JESUS or JESUS under the bus , Its you epi .
Once again .

 

[Episkopos]

tye j9

Bud you just keep digging yourself deeper and deeper into confusion .
Its not me who hates JESUS teaches . I believe ALL of HIS teachings . YES

That's a lie. You don't believe any of Jesus' teachings.

What does Jesus say about inheriting life? What must we do to inherit life according to Jesus?

I expect you to lie...

even those who made it darn certain we must BELIEVE ON HIM . you only use his teachings

ONLY? Which is better? To obey Jesus' teachings as I do....OR... to put Him on a cross for your sins?

to promote unbelief in him as OKAY . that my friend WONT bode well for you .

The unbelief is in you and the other pretenders here. I not only believe in Jesus I actually do what He says to do. You prove your UNbelief in that you totally ignore the words of Jesus...that lead to life. So you are dead in your sins.

Inclusivism is d eadly epi . Oh yeah i actually read about it in the library .

You deny God's mercy on the just. So then you will not be shown mercy either. And you are not even faring God's coming judgment.

Not from someones web site . I read it . TOTAL bad news .
You bought it . I would not worry about me . I would worry about anyone
who spends their time always t rying to make it seem
as if beleif on JESUS aint necessary . You aint picking up your cross epi .

Necessary for what? to make you happy?

YOU DENY BELEIF ON HE WHO was crucified ON said cross . THAT is not following JESUS epi .

This is false. Even demons believe as you do...and it doesn't save them either.

 

[Episkopos]

But I do agree with you. To walk in the Spirit means we do not sin. Where the Spirit is, sin cannot dwell. But you want to burn me at the stake for saying that Christ is the way the truth and the life. No man comes to the Father but by Him?

AHA! That's right...no man comes to the Father but by Jesus. But it does NOT say that no one can inherit life that doesn't know the Father. No one here knows the Father. So you all condemn yourselves. Without the mercy of God you are all lost. Yet you impugn God's mercy on the poor, the meek the fatherless, the widow...etc. So then because you have no mercy on the just you will not be shown mercy.

You are letting the enemy use your mouth.

That's your estrogen need of drama talking here. You and the crows here need to be vigourously rebuked for insulting the Spirit of grace.

 

[Episkopos]

When people seek to destroy the inclusive nature of God's mercy on the poor and meek...they cut off their own mercy from God.

The extreme foolishness we see here is like a man sitting on a branch who is sawing off the branch he is sitting on. I'm seeing this and calling to the person doing this suicidal thing...to stop.

I'm here to save souls...but the souls are blind and foolish.

To those who think they are special and exclusive to God...wake up!