Reviving Biblical Christianity (The Way) Part 2

[Episkopos]

The apostle Paul said that he didn't rely on his own righteousness:

(Php 3:7-9 NKJV) But what things were gain to me, these I have counted loss for Christ. Yet indeed I also count all things loss for the excellence of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them as rubbish, that I may gain Christ and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith;

I bolded the part you want to ignore. Do you know what the law of Moses is? Have you ever read the first part of the bible called the Old Testament? Holiness in the law of Moses is a temple holiness. Judaizers wanted new believers to abide by the holiness laws of Judaism. Paul, who was indeed qualified as being righteous according to the temple holiness laws...gave that righteous standing with the Jews up to enter into a holy union with God through Christ. That's what you are not seeing.

People like yourself only read the words they want to hear.

So Paul believed he had a righteousness which came from God.

Yes, because he walked in power from heaven over sin. The resurrection life of Jesus empowers us, saves us, from the power of sin. And we KNOW when we are translated into the kingdom realm. All things are new.

Salvation is not a meritocracy arrangement, but quite the opposite. We are saved by God's grace, His underserved favour, not because we deserve salvation:

Grace is a TOOL..an empowerment...to DO the impossible. IF we DO the impossible by grace through faith then we MERIT glory and rewards in the next age. REWARDS are not given for free gifts...but for performance in THE GIFT. You need to start over again without the religious hype and errors.

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[David Lamb]

I bolded the part you want to ignore. Do you know what the law of Moses is? Have you ever read the first part of the bible called the Old Testament? Holiness in the law of Moses is a temple holiness. Judaizers wanted new believers to abide by the holiness laws of Judaism. Paul, who was indeed qualified as being righteous according to the temple holiness laws...gave that up to enter into a holy union with God through Christ.

People like yourself only read the words they want to hear.


Yes, because he walked in power from heaven over sin. The resurrection life of Jesus empowers us, saves us, from the power of sin. And we KNOW when we are translated into the kingdom realm. All things are new.


Grace is a TOOL..and empowerment...to DO the impossible. IF we DO the impossible by grace through faith then we MERIT glory and rewards in the next age. REWARDS are not given for free gifts...but for performance. You need to start over again without the religious hype and errors.

Paul says that the righteousness he is relying on is not his own, but comes from God.

You seem most judgmental - I do not only read the words I want to hear.

Grace is not a tool or an empowerment. It is God's underserved favour. It is by grace that sinners are saved. They are not given a tool or an empowerment to enable them to be saved.

 

[Episkopos]

Paul says that the righteousness he is relying on is not his own, but comes from God.

The righteousness that Paul is talking about is a HIGHER righteousness according to a higher walk in Christ's perfection. No sin. Those who don't sin are greater than they who do sin.

There is no one righteous, no not one, that doesn't sin. The righteous do sin. But the higher righteousness from God has NO SIN in it. It is according to God's holiness.

So Paul chose God's sinless righteousness over walking in the limitations of the flesh even though those who walk in righteousness are still accepted by God.

You seem most judgmental - I do not only read the words I want to hear.

You only see what you want to see and I'm telling you the unvarnished truth. The fact that you are blind and don't know it means that if I say you are blind...you will see that as being harsh instead of merciful. Will you allow your soul to be saved? Will you read the bible through seeking God and His approval?

Grace is not a tool or an empowerment. It is God's underserved favour.

False. Paul said he was running a race of faith...that few will win. And he also said that we can perish in the desert just as easily as those who came out from Egypt.

You have been deceived.

Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling! (do you know who said that?)

It is by grace that sinners are saved. They are not given a tool or an empowerment to enable them to be saved.

Grace saves us from sin by the resurrection life of Christ we enter into by faith. There is no gift of grace that comes without the expectation that we will fulfill the law and overcome as Jesus did. If we can't do that then we should be the most humble people in the world claiming only to be unprofitable servants.

 

[David Lamb]

The righteousness that Paul is talking about is a HIGHER righteousness according to a higher walk in Christ's perfection. No sin. Those who don't sin are greater than they who do sin.

There is no one righteous, no not one, that doesn't sin. The righteous do sin. But the higher righteousness from God has NO SIN in it. It is according to God's holiness.

So Paul chose God's sinless righteousness over walking in the limitations of the flesh even though those who walk in righteousness are still accepted by God.


You only see what you want to see and I'm telling you the unvarnished truth. The fact that you are blind and don't know it means that if I say you are blind...you will see that as being harsh instead of merciful. Will you allow your soul to be saved? Will you read the bible through seeking God and His approval?


False. Paul said he was running a race of faith...that few will win. And he also said that we can perish in the desert just as easily as those who came out from Egypt.

You have been deceived.

Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling! (do you know who said that?)

Grace saves us from sin by the resurrection life of Christ we enter into by faith. There is no gift of grace that comes without the expectation that we will fulfill the law and overcome as Jesus did. If we can't do that then we should be the most humble people in the world claiming only to be unprofitable servants.

You say there is no gift of grace. Both Peter and James say that there is:

Jas_4:6 But He gives more grace. Therefore He says: "GOD RESISTS THE PROUD, BUT GIVES GRACE TO THE HUMBLE."
1Pe_5:5 Likewise you younger people, submit yourselves to your elders. Yes, all of you be submissive to one another, and be clothed with humility, for "GOD RESISTS THE PROUD, BUT GIVES GRACE TO THE HUMBLE."

You and I are clearly not going to agree, so I will leave it there.

 

[Episkopos]

You say there is no gift of grace. Both Peter and James say that there is:

You are displaying a lack of reading skills towards my posts the same way you misunderstand the bible. Go back to where you say I say there is no gift of grace. I said there is no gift of grace WITHOUT the expectation that we will overcome as Jesus did.

Jas_4:6 But He gives more grace. Therefore He says: "GOD RESISTS THE PROUD, BUT GIVES GRACE TO THE HUMBLE."
1Pe_5:5 Likewise you younger people, submit yourselves to your elders. Yes, all of you be submissive to one another, and be clothed with humility, for "GOD RESISTS THE PROUD, BUT GIVES GRACE TO THE HUMBLE."

You and I are clearly not going to agree, so I will leave it there.

You need to learn to read comprehensively without jumping to conclusions. And you need a LOT more honesty if you want to discuss with me. I suggest perhaps a course in critical thinking...and maybe one on how to avoid being indoctrinated.

 

[David Lamb]

You are displaying a lack of reading skills towards my posts the same way you misunderstand the bible. Go back to where you say I say there is no gift of grace. I said there is no gift of grace WITHOUT the expectation that we will overcome as Jesus did.

You need to learn to read comprehensively without jumping to conclusions. And you need a LOT more honesty if you want to discuss with me. I suggest perhaps a course in critical thinking...and maybe one on how to avoid being indoctrinated.

I humbly apologise for misreading your post. However, I assure you that it was a careless mis-reading, not dishonesty on my part.

 

[Episkopos]

I humbly apologise for misreading your post. However, I assure you that it was a careless mis-reading, not dishonesty on my part.

I don't blame you or assign any bad intent. I realize you made a hasty judgment. But I'm asking to consider that you do the same thing with the bible that has a much deeper message and one that is hard to grasp unless one has actually encountered the living God as Paul had. He writes about things that modern believers have no idea of. But what replaces the truth is a kind of blind assurance that what people are reading is actually in the bible.

 

[Lizbeth]

You twist the meaning of the word. We are to watch what the meek do and emulate them. We are to LEARN righteousness by watching what the righteous DO. Your cleverness is not of God. You are just flesh looking for justification.


The irony here is palpable. With meekness means humbly....which you are not doing. With meekness is not a category of people. It is an adjective. The "meek" on the other hand is a category...like "the righteous" or the "hypocrites". If the bible said...receive the engrafted word "with hypocrisy" THEN you would have a point.


That's not the condemnation and you know it. I have only explained this to you from the bible a 100 times and you will not learn. I'm writing this to answer the foolish statements you make that snare the soul into a carnality that stops people from knowing the truth. That's why I respond to your bible twistings.

In order to follow the Babylonian religion you have to condemn the righteous...consigning them to hell if they don't accept Jesus as their personal saviour.

But when does God get a say on whom He accepts? The bible says He already accepts those who fear Him and do righteousness. And Babylonians HATE the words of the Lord...they only want mercy for themselves. These have no love for the lost except to see them as ministry fodder.

What...you are not reading other posts? And you have a more passive aggressive approach...in your guile to like posts that attack me...and wipe your mouth and say you are above all that. I see your hypocrisy.

We need to understand the OT scrips are speaking on one level to the old covenant Jews, and on another level that is spiritual to the new covenant church. The meek under the old covenant is not quite the same as the meek under the new covenant who receive the engrafted word. So we must not use that "meek will inherit the earth" to mean people who are meek without Christ. And receiving a righteous man or prophet under the old covenant for us is alluding to receiving Christ.........since there is really no one righteous but He. Jesus would entrust Himself to no man since He knew what is in the heart of man. (That doesn't mean He can't use someone or be speaking through them, but we need to distinguish between He and the person He is working through.)

I try to keep out of the fray when sparks are flying, but I know there are times when it is necessary to confront someone with their wrong. Rebuke and exposing wrong and correction have their place, but I will never intentionally like a bad or vindictive attitude that is coming from the flesh if I discern that. And even legitimate rebukes I don't always hit the like button just because I figure its not my business and want to leave it between the person and the Lord, and not seem to be ganging up as well.

 

[Lizbeth]

I humbly apologise for misreading your post. However, I assure you that it was a careless mis-reading, not dishonesty on my part.

Yes, not agreeing with Epi automatically means we are being dishonest, to his way of thinking.

 

[Marvelloustime]

yes indeed dear sister . Many do just that . They learn and teach the scrips according
to a certain mindset and beleif and then will use scrips to justify such a thing .
And yet one can clearly see that it will contradict many other places in said scripture .
A huge example of this
They see God through a love of this world type mindset . And thus they will teach HIS love
according to what man sees as love and as lov ing .
So when they read any kind of dire warning about NOT beleiving ON JESUS
the warning gets turned into something else that will fit INCLUSIVE MINDSET .
Suddenly it means something else . Because if it actaully MEANS what it says , WELL it had proved THEM wrong
and their doctrine wrong .
SO they have to invent . Oh this happens all the time . A man who loveth money
WILL sit under prosperity preachers WHO ALSO do this
Or if a man be a homosexual , all of a sudden its the same thing
HE sits under men like mathew vines as they twist things to make it SEEM like GOD is not against the act
but rather not do pratice it in the temple .
THEY DO a lot of things sister . ITs known as What peter once wrote
THEY twist them unto their own destruction . WHATEVER lustful desire they desired
IS HOW they will view the scrips , what little they do read . That is what they do sister .
And no marvel that all who sat under any one of them and desired to hear them
NOW thinks ITS IMPOSSIBLE to learn the bible for ourself . CAUSE Look at how badly they twisted it .
Made it say things it never meant . But you are correct sister .
WHEN you said LET US get back into the bible and wave out all this rift raft of men , and begin afresh for ourselves .
YES indeed sister , the TIME FOR THEM TO COME YE OUT and begin afresh in the scriptures , IS NOW .
Things would have cleared up in time .

@amigo de christo

 

[Episkopos]

We need to understand the OT scrips are speaking on one level to the old covenant Jews, and on another level that is spiritual to the new covenant church.

Exactly. The Old Covenant is based on righteousness...and the New Covenant is based on holiness and a higher kind of righteousness...one that comes directly from God.

The meek under the old covenant is not quite the same as the meek under the new covenant who receive the engrafted word.

False. You are confusing adjectives and nouns. I can guard my house...but I'm not a guard for a living.

We are to watch the righteous, the meek, the guileless, the children...and emulate their behaviour. We are to learn meekness and humility.

Perhaps we will be hid on the day of God's wrath.

So we must not use that "meek will inherit the earth" to mean people who are meek without Christ.

We can ONLY see the meek as without beliefs in Jesus. Otherwise these would be called "the saints". Or..."My brethren".

So your twisting of the scriptures knows no end. You twist all the verses of the bible...like when Jesus said I came not to call the righteous to repentance...you add in...SELF to the verse...as you do to every verse you read.

And receiving a righteous man or prophet under the old covenant for us is alluding to receiving Christ

It still is. We receive Christ when we receive the least of His brethren. We gain a place among the righteous by receiving a righteous man as a righteous man...and getting mercy from the Lord...otherwise all that is left is being judged by the holiness standard which very few can stand up to.

Go and learn this...I will have mercy and not sacrifice...or beliefs.

.........since there is really no one righteous but He.

No one AS righteous as He. All our human righteousnesses are as dirty garments compared to Christ. We sin in our righteousness...we fall short. Christ does not sin...He does not fall short.

If we sin AND condemn the righteous...we condemn ourselves. God is righteous is all His ways.

Jesus would entrust Himself to no man since He knew what is in the heart of man. (That doesn't mean He can't use someone or be speaking through them, but we need to distinguish between He and the person He is working through.)

I try to keep out of the fray when sparks are flying, but I know there are times when it is necessary to confront someone with their wrong. Rebuke and exposing wrong and correction have their place,

That's why I need to stop you from fouling the thread with your deviations.

but I will never intentionally like a bad or vindictive attitude that is coming from the flesh if I discern that.

I see the deceit in your own attitude and methods. I'm straight up, non-compromising and fearless. I am bold as the Lord emboldens me.

And even legitimate rebukes I don't always hit the like button just because I figure its not my business and want to leave it between the person and the Lord, and not seem to be ganging up as well.

How often have you joined the crows in attacking me. But you are trying a much more subtle approach as of late. But I will not share my oil with you or others. You must go to the Lord yourself.