Reviving Biblical Christianity (The Way) Part 2

[Lizbeth]

yes. God knows our faith is real. he does not need proof..

There is no higher plane as epi claims

its called walking in the spirit. we walk right here on earth which Gods guidance and power.

I'm talking about this:

Jas 1:2-4
Count it all joy, my brethren, when ye fall into manifold temptations;
knowing that the proving of your faith worketh patience.
And let patience have its perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, lacking in nothing.

1Pe 1:6-7
Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a little while, if need be, ye have been put to grief in manifold trials,
that the proof of your faith, being more precious than gold that perisheth though it is proved by fire, may be found unto praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ:
We need to not rest on any laurels but keep running the race so as to win it. Forgetting what lies behind and keep on reaching for what lies ahead....a theme in both old and new testaments. I'm not going to limit what God can do with a life. There are those who are referred to in the bible as "you who are spiritual". We have both entered the kingdom, but still are in process of entering and taking possession of it....both at the same time. I take it that one refers to heaven's point of view (God sees the end from the beginning) and the other is what is happening from earth's point of view.

Like bread dough being proven.....the yeast blossoms and blooms causing the dough to grow/rise.

You know I believe the Lord showed me recently how Jesus said to Nicodemus that ye must be born again to both see the kingdom as well as to enter it. Two separate statements/wordings. I don't think there are any accidents of wording in the scriptures. Everything is worded the way it is worded for a purpose. So again there I believe we see two levels (so to speak) of salvation. Carnal (babes/children) and spiritual (fully mature). When we first receive Christ we "see" the kingdom of God, it is revealed to us as it were..........and now we are on a journey of which the end of it is to enter the kingdom. And these things are pictured by the children of Israel story line.

But it's important that we handle these things in spirit, not sure I've got the right handle on it yet, but just sharing what I'm seeing.

 

[Lizbeth]

He lost the deposit he had been given...because the deposit was holy. And there is no holiness in outer darkness. That's the whole point. People who blaspheme holiness now will have their free sample revoked on judgment day...and given to one who fears the Lord and is more respectful of God's goods.

Has it ever occurred to you that there are things in scripture that might be speaking on two levels at once (so to speak)? Doesn't seem so. You often work so hard and vehemently to deny one to support the other, when there is no contradiction.

But who here is blaspheming holiness? Another false accusation by the accuser of the brethren.

 

[Laurina]

Nobody would be weeping and gnashing their teeth along with the unbelieving if they were going to be saved.

What do you mean by the "unbelieving"??

Would you mean like the unbelieving Isrealites who didn't enter in because of unbelief? Even after certain of the spies had a good report. They consciously chose to go with the unbelieving spies. God swore in His wrath that they would not enter into His rest.

So, everyone in outer darkness were believing unbelievers. Believing to their own advantage but NOT to God’s purpose.

 

[MostlyConfused]

Has it ever occurred to you that there are things in scripture that might be speaking on two levels at once

And There it is.
He speaks of almost nothing else BUT that. And you steal it while acting like he does not and never has.

 

[Laurina]

I gave you the scriptures which speak to those things.

Where?? I didn't see them.

 

[ProDeo]

sadly. I do not think he does..

He says he does fear the Lord will reject him.

Projecting his fear on forum members.

 

[Laurina]

Has it ever occurred to you that there are things in scripture that might be speaking on two levels at once (so to speak)?

Ummm....you are on this thread...did you listen to the podcast in post #1???

Honestly @Lizbeth, you don't see yourself.

 

[Laurina]

Has it ever occurred to you that there are things in scripture that might be speaking on two levels at once (so to speak)?

....you rail against @Episkopos and his message, and now you incorporate it into yours??!!?!?!

Might you be an unbelieving believer??

"Lord, I believe; help Thou mine unbelief."
Mark 9:24

 

[ProDeo]

21 For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

if this verse is corrupt. we are all dead in our sin. and no one will see heaven, we will all see what we all deserve. and that is eternal death

He should read Isaiah 53, v21 all over.

Nothing wrong with that translation.

 

[Lizbeth]

It couldn't be taken away if they didn't have it, right?



It may "sound" that way, however, since that one was serving, meaning in the lord's house (it's a parable, thus, a small "l" for lord), and to be in the Lord's house one must call on the name of the Lord (see Rom. 10:11-12), that servant was judged and saved. That servant was a "whosoever" and was saved.

One looking and satisfied to be "saved", must be careful to what one will be saved to.

Yes he had been saved. But he lost it.........because he failed to grow it......another way of saying he produced no fruit and was cut down.

 

[Lizbeth]

....you rail against @Episkopos and his message, and now you incorporate it into yours??!!?!?!

Might you be an unbelieving believer??

"Lord, I believe; help Thou mine unbelief."
Mark 9:24

I have always agreed in principle with many things Episkopos says about holiness. As I've reiterated quite a few times in these discussions. (Though I question whether he is in spirit with it.) It's the other things he believes and teaches that are very problematic which I argue with.

 

[Lizbeth]

Ummm....you are on this thread...did you listen to the podcast in post #1???

Honestly @Lizbeth, you don't see yourself.

He wasn't applying it to the parable of the talents was he, but saying it is only speaking on the level of "holiness".

 

[MostlyConfused]

....you rail against @Episkopos and his message, and now you incorporate it into yours??!!?!?!

Might you be an unbelieving believer??

"Lord, I believe; help Thou mine unbelief."
Mark 9:24

One of the prophets said God was against the men stealing His words from each other. And he further said (think it was the same prophet) something like, WHO is the one who has stood in the counsel of the Lord?

She wouldn’t even KNOW of it had she not heard it from episkopos because he stood in the counsel of God and received and then studied and learned it until he knew it inside and out, backwards and forwards. And it wouldn’t even BE theft if she believed, understood and lived it, because God gave it to episkopos for all of us and it had been lost. I have heard no other man anywhere in many books read and many videos watched over the course of 20 years and never did I hear it even though I can plainly see it is the complete gospel, crisp and clear, fear invoking and joyous.

 

[Laurina]

Yes he had been saved. But he lost it.........because he failed to grow it......another way of saying he produced no fruit and was cut down.

Again, what do you mean by saved?? Saved to what?? Since God is doing the saving, and that only happens at the end one one's life, no one can declare glory or honour in their salvation. That would negate the race of faith.
He is saved to dishonour.

 

[Lizbeth]

What do you mean by the "unbelieving"??

Would you mean like the unbelieving Isrealites who didn't enter in because of unbelief? Even after certain of the spies had a good report. They consciously chose to go with the unbelieving spies. God swore in His wrath that they would not enter into His rest.

So, everyone in outer darkness were believing unbelievers. Believing to their own advantage but NOT to God’s purpose.

By the unbelieving I was referring to those who have never known Christ.

The unbelieving Israelites......speaks to the Israelites under the Law...........who wouldn't enter into the new covenant by faith. But you need to calm down otherwise you will miss or misunderstand what is being said.

 

[Laurina]

He wasn't applying it to the parable of the talents was he, but saying it is only speaking on the level of "holiness".

And the Kingdom of God and His household is about HOLINESS. We are called to BE holy as God is holy.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Yeah, I read the post quickly, I assumed he was speaking of the poorly translated verse in 2 Cor 5:21 where they use "God" twice in some translations.

wow. I have not seen this.. thanks for exposing this

 

[Lizbeth]

Again, what do you mean by saved?? Saved to what?? Since God is doing the saving, and that only happens at the end one one's life, no one can declare glory or honour in their salvation. That would negate the race of faith.
He is saved to dishonour.

Well here are a few verses:

Rom 8:24
For in hope we have been saved, but hope that is seen is not hope; for who hopes for what he already sees?

Eph 2:5
even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),

Eph 2:8
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;

 

[Laurina]

By the unbelieving I was referring to those who have never known Christ.

The unbelieving Israelites......speaks to the Israelites under the Law...........who wouldn't enter into the new covenant. But you need to calm down otherwise you will miss or misunderstand what is being said.

Lizbeth, outer darkness is NOT available to UNBELIEVERS!! There are 2 possible outcomes for unbelievers: life and death.
But a believer has passed from death to life...and now it is a question of honour or dishonour.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I'm talking about this:

Jas 1:2-4
Count it all joy, my brethren, when ye fall into manifold temptations;
knowing that the proving of your faith worketh patience.
And let patience have its perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, lacking in nothing.

1Pe 1:6-7
Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a little while, if need be, ye have been put to grief in manifold trials,
that the proof of your faith, being more precious than gold that perisheth though it is proved by fire, may be found unto praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ:
We need to not rest on any laurels but keep running the race so as to win it. Forgetting what lies behind and keep on reaching for what lies ahead....a theme in both old and new testaments. I'm not going to limit what God can do with a life. There are those who are referred to in the bible as "you who are spiritual". We have both entered the kingdom, but still are in process of entering and taking possession of it....both at the same time. I take it that one refers to heaven's point of view (God sees the end from the beginning) and the other is what is happening from earth's point of view.

Like bread dough being proven.....the yeast blossoms and blooms causing the dough to grow/rise.

You know I believe the Lord showed me recently how Jesus said to Nicodemus that ye must be born again to both see the kingdom as well as to enter it. Two separate statements/wordings. I don't think there are any accidents of wording in the scriptures. Everything is worded the way it is worded for a purpose. So again there I believe we see two levels (so to speak) of salvation. Carnal (babes/children) and spiritual (fully mature). When we first receive Christ we "see" the kingdom of God, it is revealed to us as it were..........and now we are on a journey of which the end of it is to enter the kingdom. And these things are pictured by the children of Israel story line.

But it's important that we handle these things in spirit, not sure I've got the right handle on it yet, but just sharing what I'm seeing.

yes. I need this for myself..