Reviving Biblical Christianity (The Way) Part 2

[amigo de christo]

Amen. The bible also says they who are in the flesh cannot please God .....so it can't save the person. Everyone needs to receive Christ, His Spirit.

Something this incluisive ecumeincal camp does not KNOW .
SO allow me to remind us about THIS SPIRIT called the HOLY ONE .
You are correct sister .
And any WHO has the HOLY SPIRIT given by GOD would have BELEIVED ON JESUS CHRIST .
You see its BY THE HOLY SPIRIT we call HIM LORD . not budda lord or any other god and religoin lord .
IN fact NO man by THIS HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD would call JESUS accursed . AS EVERY OTHER RELIGOIN DOES .
SO i just exposed inclusivism FOR THE LIE of satan it is and has always been .
I know what they teach sister . ITS all of it a LIE that in no way honors the SON , thus in no way do it honor the FATHER .

 

[Lizbeth]

Oh i know you do dear sister . WE both know by grace without Faith IN HE whom GOD did send
there is no hope , there is no eternal life , no salvation , and we can do nothing without him .
Something it seems the HIC has zero idea about my dear sister .
As for me , I HAVE NO PRO BLEM admitting WITHOUT HIM i can DO NOTHING and would have ZERO HOPE
ZERO righteousness , no eternal life , no salvation PEROID .
About the only thing i could do WITHOUT HIM is , FAIL , FALL FAR SHORT , And my righteousness apart from him
would land me only in one place , THE LAKE OF FIRE .
I NEED GOD , THUS I NEED HIS CHRIST . something our HIC knows NOTHING about and he has declared
war against THE VERY GOSPEL of GOD that do save . Very very deadly is THAT .
GOD is full of mercy and love and HE so loved the world
that HE DID send HIS only begotten SON so that all who do BELIEVE ON HIM would not perish but have everlasting life .
BUT TO DENY HIM , TO DENY the DIRE NEED TO BELIEVE ON JESUS
DISHONORS THE ONE TRUE GOD , HIS SON and do call GOD A LIAR .
ITS as if one says to GOD , HEY i dont need your righteous ness , your holiness , your salvation
i can do it my own way . AND ME oh MY that WILL BE THE END OF THEM on HIS DAY .

I was only indicating different members/parts of the Body of Christ will have their own different approaches.

Amen....so many scriptures speak on the need to believe on Christ....that IS the Gospel.

 

[amigo de christo]

Amen. The bible also says they who are in the flesh cannot please God .....so it can't save the person. Everyone needs to receive Christ, His Spirit.

you will cringe when you find out what they do beleive sister and surely cringe you will .
you see i read about inclusivism IN the library years ago . Many moons ago .
Now before i say what it do say let me ask you a question .
HOW does satan , the serpent operate . WHY he brings a truth , a scripture
BUT THEN uses that scrip to IMPLY A LIE . that is a solid fact sister .
Inclusivism states that JESUS is the savoir of the world . A TRUTH
but then implies that because HE IS , its not necessary to believe on him .
That in fact other religoins can and do have the same spirit
if they are heeding the golden rule . Which states to love GOD and one another .
BUT GUESS what THEY FORGET .
JESUS SAID WE DO have to BELEIVE . WHO ya think i am gonna believe incusivism OR JESUS . exactly sister .
And Again HOW can these other religoins have the SPIRIT we do , WHEN THEY DONT BELEIVE ON THE JESUS WE DO
THEY DONT SISTER . all of it is a lie . based upon a twisted truth .
NOW WHO DOES that sister . WHO said , surely YE SHALL NOT DIE , A LIE
but then cloaked a truth that said YE shall become as gods to know good and evil . WHY THE SEREPENT DID .
AND LATER GOD said THEY have become as gods to know good and evil , buT GUESS what sister
DEATH DID COME UPON THEM .
satan is a liar . HE has come to silence the GOSPEL by which one who beleives is saved
BY USING a truth and yet implying its not necessary to have TO bELIEVE ON HIM .
KINDA odd dont ya think . CAUSE THIS SAVOIR OF THE WORLD , SURE SAID WE HAVE TO BELIEVE ON HIM .
satan is real sneaky sister . but its all about WHO are we gonna beleive . TRUTH or a lie
THE words of GOD or a lie twisting truth
ITS simple for me . t ruly it is very simple . I say JUST BELEIVE GOD . just believe HIM , HIS WORDS
and I KNOW HE T ESITIFED ON JESUS . not on HIC and a lie .

 

[amigo de christo]

I was only indicating different members/parts of the Body of Christ will have their own different approaches.

Amen....so many scriptures speak on the need to believe on Christ....that IS the Gospel.

they have differing gifts indeed . I knew what you meant . i just wanted to make it clear for us all
THAT NO FAITH IN JESUS is a second death sentence . FOR without HIM we can do nothing
and THERE IS NO SALVATION given By any other THAN JESUS and YE MUST BELEIVE ON HIM .
This inclusivism is a real sneak sister , cause they will teach teachings of JESUS
but what use is that IF THEY REJECT the fact ONE MUST FIRST bELEIVE ON HIM .
ALL OF IT is a smokescreen and a lie . its smoke covers over THE ONE WE MUST BLEIEVE ON to recieve such .
Makes it seem like anyone can do the job . what a crock of dung that lie is sister . And this sheep
WONT BUY IT . we have BOUGHT THE TRUTH and we shall sell HER NOT .

 

[bdavidc]

It is righteousness UNTO holiness.....and I don't consider that either is climbed into by human means.

We have been given a clear and simple picture of having to go through the wilderness and die to our old man before entering the Promised Land so to speak, not the other way around. Trying to put the cart before the horse is out of God's order....it's out of His wisdom and way. Jesus was offered a kingdom by Satan in a way that would avoid the cross (death) and He refused it, instead obeying the will of the Father. God's way is not man's (pagan) ways.

And your teaching IS unorthodox obviously, (not the holiness part so much in principle, but the other things for sure) and much more suited to the Unorthodox forum.

I would go further than “unorthodox.” @Episkopos is a false teacher.

When a man repeatedly replaces the plain teaching of Scripture with his own mystical system, then tells Christians that what they know as the biblical gospel is a “counterfeit” that “saves no one,” we are past quirky theology and into serious false teaching.

Maybe the question is not whether this belongs in the Unorthodox forum. Is there a False Teachers forum? Because that would be a much better fit.

 

[MostlyConfused]

It is doing some amount of…putting the flesh under, but it doesn’t purify the flesh exactly. The flesh cannot be purified, it just has to die unless we are willing to always be tormented by it fighting against His Spirit and satan being so free to stir it up through anger, pride, hurt feelings to torment and agitate it.
But He does do this thing where He separates you from it? Best I can describe. I think episkopos talked about that in one of his videos…I’ll have to listen to it again. You know when it happens because you suddenly feel that who you’ve always been is not you anymore but is instead your enemy. You even (or I did) say aloud at times, like you’re talking to someone other than you, things like oh just shut up, you know He’s going to kill you, right? I asked Him to crush the teeth of my enemies and He will do it.

edit: that was to Lizbeth’s last post. Forgot to quote.

 

[amigo de christo]

I would go further than “unorthodox.” @Episkopos is a false teacher.

When a man repeatedly replaces the plain teaching of Scripture with his own mystical system, then tells Christians that what they know as the biblical gospel is a “counterfeit” that “saves no one,” we are past quirky theology and into serious false teaching.

Maybe the question is not whether this belongs in the Unorthodox forum. Is there a False Teachers forum? Because that would be a much better fit.

friend i seen inclusivism on epi a long time back . And even countered him about it . HE DONT DENY IT either .
And i know what inclusvism teaches . A FAT LIE . BELIEF is not needed . A fat lie my f riend .
This is deadly dangerous . and inclusvisim can and will claok itself to pattern itself to anyones religoin and mindset .
ALL of it A LIE . to a christain it says a truth but it will twist it to fit THE LIE .
To the decieved lost religoins who already follow the lie it will convince them also
that all religoins are serving the same GOD in different ways . BUT ALL OF IT IS A LIE .
ITS meant ONLY to merge the FALSE relgoins with THE DECIEVED in christendom
to ONE MINDSET . and all of them will believe they do the will of the ONE TRUE GOD .
ITS a merger , its an end time delusion sent . And all who rejected the love of the truth
whereby they could be saved , THAT BE JESUS , oh they all gonna merge as one man
and bleieving they do the will of the one true GOD and his peace for the world . ALL OF IT
a delusion . AND the sheep DONT BUY IT my friend . WE PREACH JESUS . ITS JESUS we need
and without him we can do nothing . that is our HOPE and our salvation and WHO we shall point them too .
Stand firm cause its gonna get worse my friend .

 

[bdavidc]

I am pointing out false doctrine. Some people here live in an echo chamber where they think they are the orthodox ones....whereas the opposite is true.


Here you show a lack of understanding of the gospel. the life is in the blood...not the death.

When I posted....that if Jesus be not raised then you are still dead in your sins...people who are bible illiterate think that was MY saying and not Pauls'.

And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. 1 Cor 15:17

Justification is from LIFE not death...



If you read the bible as a whole you will see that we are justified by the LIFE of Christ not the death. I don't think people here have reading skills but I will post a verse

Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. Rom 5:8



You are cherry picking parts of verses...

For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

What saves us...His death or His life...according to the bible?????


That word is not forgiveness...but freedom....aphesis. Look it up'

You are making SMALL points and ignoring the whole weight of the gospel. The bible supports what I say and you say I'm the heretic. You need to be de-programmed.


Yes...but that in itself doesn't save us...as Paul says. It is the justification of life. Why do you embrace death and shun Christ's life is BEYOND ME. Especially as the bible puts all the emphasis on eternal life...not the transition phase of death.


I want to talk to an honest person...

You have now made the problem painfully clear. You are not correcting false doctrine. You are contradicting plain statements of Scripture while calling everyone else Bible illiterate. That is what a false teacher does.

Paul says, “being now justified by his blood” (Romans 5:9). You answer, “Justification is from LIFE not death.” Paul says we were “reconciled to God by the death of his Son” (Romans 5:10). You answer that His death “in itself doesn’t save us.”

Who should Christians believe, Paul or you?

Your attempt to pit Christ's death against His resurrection is a mutilation of the gospel. First Corinthians 15 does not say Christ's death is powerless. The same chapter you appeal to begins with Paul declaring the gospel: “Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures” (1 Corinthians 15:3), and then declares His resurrection. Verse 17 does not cancel verse 3. Christ's death and resurrection are not competing doctrines for you to divide against each other.

Romans 5:10 does not rescue you either. Paul says we were reconciled “by the death of his Son” and, having been reconciled, “shall be saved by his life.” His risen life guarantees the final salvation of those His death reconciled. Paul is teaching both truths. You are the one tearing the verse in half and making one side attack the other.

And your word game with aphesis is even worse. You say it is “not forgiveness...but freedom.” Then listen to Jesus: “For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins” (Matthew 26:28). The word translated “remission” there is aphesis. Christ connects it directly with His blood being SHED.

Hebrews 9:22 says the same thing: “without shedding of blood is no remission.”

There goes your entire argument.

You strain over one Greek word while swallowing whole the plain statements that Christ's blood was shed for the remission of sins, that we are justified by His blood, and that we were reconciled to God by His death. Then you have the nerve to accuse the people quoting those verses of having no reading skills.

That is breathtaking hypocrisy.

And stop hiding behind “the life is in the blood.” Leviticus 17:11 does say the life of the flesh is in the blood, but keep reading: “I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls.” The life was GIVEN in sacrifice. The blood was shed. You have turned sacrificial language into this strange idea of “resurrection lifeblood” when Scripture says no such thing.

You keep presenting yourself as the man who understands the “whole weight of the gospel” while ordinary Christians supposedly need to be “de-programmed.” Hilarious Yet the deeper you go into your system, the further you move from the actual words on the page.

Jesus rebuked religious teachers who made themselves guides while mishandling God's truth. You are doing the same thing. You call the biblical gospel counterfeit, call those who disagree Bible illiterate, and then redefine the very verses that expose you.

I will say it plainly: you are teaching falsely about the saving work of Jesus Christ. You are a false teacher, and people reading this thread should test everything you say against Scripture before allowing your mystical system anywhere near their understanding of the gospel.

James warned, “My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation” (James 3:1).

You want to talk to an honest person? Then start by being honest with Romans 5:9. It says we are “justified by his blood.”

You do not get to correct God.

 

[amigo de christo]

I would go further than “unorthodox.” @Episkopos is a false teacher.

When a man repeatedly replaces the plain teaching of Scripture with his own mystical system, then tells Christians that what they know as the biblical gospel is a “counterfeit” that “saves no one,” we are past quirky theology and into serious false teaching.

Maybe the question is not whether this belongs in the Unorthodox forum. Is there a False Teachers forum? Because that would be a much better fit.

truly you just said it best . he tells christains that what they KNOW as the biblical gospel
is a counterfiet that saves no one . KINDA ODD dont ya think . ITS those who oppose that gospel that preach a counterfeit one that
DOES NOT save .
AND NOW a reminder ab out HOW one is saved .
But sirs what must I DO to be saved , NOTICE a certain word both paul and silas said with one name .
BELIEVE ye on JESUS CHRIST and ye shall be SAVED . DO YOU SEE EPI teaching that OR ATTACKING THAT .
exactly .
AND so now a word from paul . IF ANY comes and preaches another gospel , whether we , whether an angel
LET HIM be accursed .
And now a word from john .
IF any b rings NOT this doctrine you dont even let them in your house or bid them god speed .
OL epi has made himself the very enemy of the one true gospel of Christ . WHICH in effect
HE callls GOD a liar . FOR HE who BELEIVES NOT the testimony that GOD gave of the SON , IS calling GOD a liar .
BUT HE who recieves HIS TESTMONY has set to his seal that GOD IS TRUE .
THERE IT IS for all t osee . THEY who make the cliam BELEIF in christ is not necessary DO cALL GOD A LIAR .
THOSE WHO BLEIEVE have set to their seal GOD IS TRUE . LET GOD be true but every man a liar .

 

[bdavidc]

Some people here have a HARD time with the truth...but it was prophesied in these times that few if any will be able to endure sound doctrine. And here it is.

Why troll my threads if you want to rant and ignore what the bible says?

“O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?” (Acts 13:10, KJV)

Why? Because you are a false teacher, @Episkopos.

You said Christ's death “in itself doesn't save us.” God says we are “justified by his blood” (Romans 5:9), “reconciled to God by the death of his Son” (Romans 5:10), and that Christ's blood was “shed for many for the remission of sins” (Matthew 26:28).

Then you have the nerve to call your teaching “sound doctrine” and accuse everyone quoting those verses of being unable to endure the truth.

No. You are the one who cannot endure the plain words of Scripture.

Calling your false teaching false is not “trolling.” You are publicly corrupting the saving work of Christ, so you are being publicly rebuked for it.

Stop hiding behind claims of superior understanding. Stop twisting Scripture to protect your system. Romans 5:9 is still sitting there staring you in the face: “justified by his blood.”

You are a false teacher. The problem is not that people cannot endure your “sound doctrine.” The problem is that your doctrine cannot endure the Word of God.

 

[amigo de christo]

You have now made the problem painfully clear. You are not correcting false doctrine. You are contradicting plain statements of Scripture while calling everyone else Bible illiterate. That is what a false teacher does.

Paul says, “being now justified by his blood” (Romans 5:9). You answer, “Justification is from LIFE not death.” Paul says we were “reconciled to God by the death of his Son” (Romans 5:10). You answer that His death “in itself doesn’t save us.”

Who should Christians believe, Paul or you?

Your attempt to pit Christ's death against His resurrection is a mutilation of the gospel. First Corinthians 15 does not say Christ's death is powerless. The same chapter you appeal to begins with Paul declaring the gospel: “Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures” (1 Corinthians 15:3), and then declares His resurrection. Verse 17 does not cancel verse 3. Christ's death and resurrection are not competing doctrines for you to divide against each other.

Romans 5:10 does not rescue you either. Paul says we were reconciled “by the death of his Son” and, having been reconciled, “shall be saved by his life.” His risen life guarantees the final salvation of those His death reconciled. Paul is teaching both truths. You are the one tearing the verse in half and making one side attack the other.

And your word game with aphesis is even worse. You say it is “not forgiveness...but freedom.” Then listen to Jesus: “For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins” (Matthew 26:28). The word translated “remission” there is aphesis. Christ connects it directly with His blood being SHED.

Hebrews 9:22 says the same thing: “without shedding of blood is no remission.”

There goes your entire argument.

You strain over one Greek word while swallowing whole the plain statements that Christ's blood was shed for the remission of sins, that we are justified by His blood, and that we were reconciled to God by His death. Then you have the nerve to accuse the people quoting those verses of having no reading skills.

That is breathtaking hypocrisy.

And stop hiding behind “the life is in the blood.” Leviticus 17:11 does say the life of the flesh is in the blood, but keep reading: “I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls.” The life was GIVEN in sacrifice. The blood was shed. You have turned sacrificial language into this strange idea of “resurrection lifeblood” when Scripture says no such thing.

You keep presenting yourself as the man who understands the “whole weight of the gospel” while ordinary Christians supposedly need to be “de-programmed.” Hilarious Yet the deeper you go into your system, the further you move from the actual words on the page.

Jesus rebuked religious teachers who made themselves guides while mishandling God's truth. You are doing the same thing. You call the biblical gospel counterfeit, call those who disagree Bible illiterate, and then redefine the very verses that expose you.

I will say it plainly: you are teaching falsely about the saving work of Jesus Christ. You are a false teacher, and people reading this thread should test everything you say against Scripture before allowing your mystical system anywhere near their understanding of the gospel.

James warned, “My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation” (James 3:1).

You want to talk to an honest person? Then start by being honest with Romans 5:9. It says we are “justified by his blood.”

You do not get to correct God.

Epi does all to try and teach things About JESUS , about holiness , about righteousness
and yet denies the DIRE NEED TO BELIEVE ON THIS VERY JESUS .
Talk about all b eing in vain . And others do this too . THEY also make the cliam
that ALL one has to do is LOVE GOD and love one another , and YET Make it seem as t hough all relgions can do this .
KINDA ODD . THEY do not LOVE GOD . FOR HAD they loved GOD they would have LOVE CHRIST for he came forth OF GOD .
SO that just shot it all down . THERE IS NO LOVE FOR GOD by the one who DENIES THE SON .
IN fact HE is not only NOT LOVING GOD , HECK he is calling HIM A LIAR .
And HE who keeps not JESUS commandments DOES NOT LOVE HIM .
Now what did john remind us the commandent was .
OH YEAH
TO BELEIVE ON JESUS CHRIST ,and to love one another . SEEMS TO ME THEY OMIT THE BLEIEVE PART .
which has made it all A LIE . and a very deadly LIE it is too . it wont save them .
Any man , who despite being warned of the dire need to beleive on JESUS , yet continues to say NOPE not necessary
IS calling GOD a liar
SO visiualize the day of judgment for them . Imagine this .
A man standing in front of this HOLY GOD , HIS HOLY CHRIST
who did nothing buT CALL HIM A LIAR . YOU REALLY THINK that ones works are gonna save him . NO SIR .
HE DONE OMITTED THE ONLY WORK that could have and called GOD a liar . OH his works will not save such a man .

 

[bdavidc]

There is a HUGE misunderstanding among the unlearned here (and elsewhere) concerning what is meant by being justified by the blood of Christ...or washing our garments in His blood. Many here follow a death religion as opposed to having a LIFE from God. Why does no one seek God anymore? Well, people think that the life of Christ is not important...no they want a dead body. They want a dead Christ. They want to feed on a corpse.

But Jesus IS ALIVE. He is RISEN....The blood of Christ is the LIFE of Christ. We partake of His LIFE for justification. We enter into His LIFE by the Spirit. His holiness is found in His life...not His death. Jesus was only dead for 3 days...and people want to live their lives in THAT phase...the dead part. Why not join Christ in His life? He offers us life more abundantly. Does He offer us His death more abundantly?

Eating His flesh...means DOING what He says. Drinking His blood means to enter into Him and partake of His life. We are not to feed on a dead body.

That is what is taught in the bible. And that is what gives us victory over sin, the world and the devil. We reign in Life...not death. Death is a transitional phase. But unless it leads to life...it remains dead.

Now you are simply inventing definitions to keep your doctrine alive.

Scripture does not say, “the blood of Christ is the resurrection life of Christ.” It says Christ made “peace through the blood of his cross” (Colossians 1:20). It says, “Thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood” (Revelation 5:9). It says Christ “appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself” (Hebrews 9:26).

Slain. Cross. Sacrifice. Shed blood. Those are the words God chose.

Your “dead Christ,” “corpse,” and “death religion” rhetoric is a grotesque caricature of the gospel Paul preached. Paul gloried “in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ” (Galatians 6:14). Was Paul obsessed with a corpse? Was Paul preaching a “death religion”? Your mockery lands on the apostolic gospel itself.

And your claim that eating Christ's flesh means “doing what He says” is another definition you have simply inserted into the passage. Show where John 6 says that. You keep replacing biblical words with your own mystical meanings and then declaring everyone else “unlearned.”

Paul warned about men who preach “another Jesus” and “another gospel” (2 Corinthians 11:4). He also warned against those who would “pervert the gospel of Christ” (Galatians 1:7).

That warning is for you.

Christ is risen. Absolutely. But the risen Christ is the same Lamb who “was slain” (Revelation 5:12). His resurrection does not erase the saving meaning of His cross. It vindicates the One who died for our sins.

Stop pitting Christ's life against Christ's sacrifice. Stop redefining His blood. Stop mocking the cross as a “death religion.” You are not uncovering deeper truth. You are perverting plain Scripture and calling the distortion enlightenment.

 

[amigo de christo]

“O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?” (Acts 13:10, KJV)

Why? Because you are a false teacher, @Episkopos.

You said Christ's death “in itself doesn't save us.” God says we are “justified by his blood” (Romans 5:9), “reconciled to God by the death of his Son” (Romans 5:10), and that Christ's blood was “shed for many for the remission of sins” (Matthew 26:28).

Then you have the nerve to call your teaching “sound doctrine” and accuse everyone quoting those verses of being unable to endure the truth.

No. You are the one who cannot endure the plain words of Scripture.

Calling your false teaching false is not “trolling.” You are publicly corrupting the saving work of Christ, so you are being publicly rebuked for it.

Stop hiding behind claims of superior understanding. Stop twisting Scripture to protect your system. Romans 5:9 is still sitting there staring you in the face: “justified by his blood.”

You are a false teacher. The problem is not that people cannot endure your “sound doctrine.” The problem is that your doctrine cannot endure the Word of God.

AND exactly what was this man trying to do . LEAD the deputy AWAY from THE FAITH .
OOPSY i see this in epi . Leading folks away from what ACTUALLY saves them , FAITH IN , thus BELIEF IN JESUS CHRIST .
Paul ripped right into such a creature . And by THE SPIRIT made that man blind as a bat .
THEY did not hug false teachers and try and find common ground with false religoins .
THEY preached JESUS and did not comprom ise . AND BY GRACE we shall too . POINT TO JESUS TO THE LAST breath my friend .

 

[Episkopos]

Now you are simply inventing definitions to keep your doctrine alive.

Scripture does not say, “the blood of Christ is the resurrection life of Christ.” It says Christ made “peace through the blood of his cross” (Colossians 1:20). It says, “Thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood” (Revelation 5:9). It says Christ “appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself” (Hebrews 9:26).

Slain. Cross. Sacrifice. Shed blood. Those are the words God chose.

Your “dead Christ,” “corpse,” and “death religion” rhetoric is a grotesque caricature of the gospel Paul preached. Paul gloried “in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ” (Galatians 6:14). Was Paul obsessed with a corpse? Was Paul preaching a “death religion”? Your mockery lands on the apostolic gospel itself.

And your claim that eating Christ's flesh means “doing what He says” is another definition you have simply inserted into the passage. Show where John 6 says that. You keep replacing biblical words with your own mystical meanings and then declaring everyone else “unlearned.”

Paul warned about men who preach “another Jesus” and “another gospel” (2 Corinthians 11:4). He also warned against those who would “pervert the gospel of Christ” (Galatians 1:7).

That warning is for you.

Christ is risen. Absolutely. But the risen Christ is the same Lamb who “was slain” (Revelation 5:12). His resurrection does not erase the saving meaning of His cross. It vindicates the One who died for our sins.

Stop pitting Christ's life against Christ's sacrifice. Stop redefining His blood. Stop mocking the cross as a “death religion.” You are not uncovering deeper truth. You are perverting plain Scripture and calling the distortion enlightenment.

You are mixing standards and choosing the aspects that you like while ignoring the conditions of each. All unlearned people do this. Jesus died for the sins of the whole world...not just the church. But He was raised for OUR justification. Who is the "our"? The church.

The death of Jesus is inclusive. The resurrection is exclusive to those who believe (if they believe then God translates them).

What you religious types do is claim something meant for all and claim that standard as being for you...while you also claim to be exclusively the chosen who are justified as if by the Life of Christ. So you are NOT rightly dividing the word at all..but getting on your silly high horse to call me a false teacher because you don't understand the gospel that brings eternal life. Your ego is getting in the way of your reading skills.

So, Jesus died for the whole world. And this covers the righteous who don't know Him...and even the ungodly whom Jesus has mercy on. God has mercy on whom He wills. But you can't mix standards claiming the parts you like...condemning the righteous while claiming to be under grace without walking in resurrection life.

So on the one hand you assume you are under mercy while denying it to others...and any call to holiness...and an ACTUAL walk in Christ...you say is a false teaching.

And you should go online and find a concordance and look up the word "aphesis" ...and check that out from the Hebrew carry-over of the gospel prophecy in Is. 61:1. Compare that with Luke 4:18 (taken from the bible and cited below). Now that might be a daunting task for someone who is convinced that they will not be judged based on the LIFE of Jesus.

The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance (aphesis) to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty (aphesis) them that are bruised, Luke 4:18


The idea of changing remission to forgiveness is a LATER invention that the modern church has been indoctrinated into...so that they don't enter into life. People LOVE that downgrade as it makes them feel more included. And you will defend that deception...and delusion...as if that saved you.


PS. When the bible was first translated into English the word "remission" meant rendered powerless...like a cancer in remission. But people wanted MORE certainty in their beliefs...so the meaning of certain words were changed over time very gradually to give the people what they wanted.

 

[Episkopos]

The righteous and the meek are not seeking to be justified. Most believers are indeed seeking to be justified by Christ. But seeking to be justified by the death of Jesus is a dead religion. Seeking to be justified by the LIFE of Jesus is what Jesus commanded us to do as we seek first the kingdom.

Paul says...
But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid. Gal 2:17

You can't have it both ways.

God's ways are plural...mercy AND truth. If you want mercy then don't mess with the truth. If you want to be covered by Jesus death...then don't claim to be justified by Christ.. Mercy depends on God not our declaration. All we can declare to be justified by the death of Jesus is that we are unworthy to even look up to God. We admit we are total failures. God can then justify us...as long as we continue to be humble and God fearing...claiming NOTHING for ourselves.

But modern religionists claim to be justified for their beliefs without God's approval. Without translation and empowerment by the Spirit. They have reduced God's holy standard to what any sinner can claim..and without any fear or humility

 

[Episkopos]

One more point about being reconciled to God by the death of Jesus. That reconciliation was for the whole world...not individual people.

To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. 2 Cor. 5:19

Jesus bought back the world from the devil...as a whole entity...not as something an individual can justify himself with.

 

[Laurina]

I don’t think the whole point is to suffer. It’s just what the flesh does and feels when He mercilessly does whatever it takes to bring us to surrender.

So I have problem when you say "....He mercilessly..." perhaps it would be better to say, "it seemed merciless" (to our flesh), but because He loves us and wants the best for us, He needs to allow ...(whatever)... to happen to us for our eternal good, so that we can surrender. This all from and because of His love for us...tough love, but love eternal.

After reading Madame Guyon's Autobiography, I understand the process of needing to suffer much better. I suggested this book to @Lizbeth thinking it could help her (because it was a big help for me), but she had a problem with Madame Guyon being Catholic...she read about the book, but I don't know if she ever read it.

It is THEN that we can suffer willingly and that’s not really a commendation for us because even THAT is done with some selfishness and self interest that sees with amazement the good it eventually brought to us.

Amen!!

 

[bdavidc]

You are mixing standards and choosing the aspects that you like while ignoring the conditions of each. All unlearned people do this.

You are not representing God here. You are representing your own invented doctrine while contradicting plain Scripture.

When a man rejects what God has plainly said about Christ, His blood, reconciliation, and justification, that is not deeper truth. It is antichrist teaching.

Readers should test your claims by Scripture, not by your mystical definitions and accusations.