Reviving Biblical Christianity (The Way) Part 2

[Lizbeth]

I am just pointing out that you don't have true discerment...just carnal judgments

You're entitled to an opinion. But you are still not addressing the point I was making.

I am not sure you really understand the gospel.

I understand that it is by faith, and that Epi undermines or destroys faith with how he is teaching.

Obviously, you have no idea what I believe. To declare me as "loosey goosey" or of a "new agey mindset" shows your ignorance of that. (I find that amusing) You present a contractionary position. You claim to laud humility but your errant and unlearned judgements fail to demonstrate it.

Your post came across as loosey goosey. Don't know how else to describe it. It wasn't meant as an insult, just trying to convey a description of my impression of what you were saying.

Do you think it is errant and unlearned to have faith in Jesus and what He accomplished on the cross on my behalf?

True discernment from the Spirit IS exact. The problem is that you confuse your carnal superficial judgements as "discernment". You are correct when you say that is not exact.

It's exact when it is correct, but even then we may not be seeing the entire picture. Discernment is something we learn and grow in. It is possible to be mistaken as you are even saying I am.

Humility admits it's lack of full knowledge and leaves the judgement to the Lord. We can stand on this hope (if you will hear it)

Heb 6:19
Which hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and stedfast, and which entereth into that within the veil;

What kind of judgment are you talking about? Condemnation, or the righteous judgement we are to judge with?

 

[Lizbeth]

Do you claim to be always walking in the Spirit and fulfilling the righteousness of the law?

No I make no such claim........and am thankful that when I'm not, Jesus has fulfilled the Law for me.

 

[Episkopos]

That's good if you aren't. It seemed to me that is what people were objecting to. What is the point you are making then? Do you agree with Epi that not yet fully matured believers are on the same footing as Jews under the old covenant?

Where does that come from? Paul says that we are to fear that we too would be cut off just as the Israelites in the desert were. That's basic wisdom. What we give off is that you are superior to the Jews and could never be as foolish as they were...which is NOT a wise position.

 

[Episkopos]

Do you claim to be always walking in the Spirit and fulfilling the righteousness of the law?

From what she writes, Lizbeth considers herself to be halfway there. Half holy. As such she thinks others are half-right just like her.

 

[Episkopos]

Agree, but scripture ALSO also says we ARE in the Spirit if we HAVE the Spirit. That is the part that is being denied. All who believe (genuine faith not of our own) have the Spirit and therefore are in the Spirit to some degree.....and many do have spiritual experiences at various times if it isn't being quenched by false teachings, lack of growth, etc.. We are not under the Law if we have received Christ...we are in the new covenant. We are not on the same footing as unbelieving Jews under the Law.

You are comparing apples with airplanes here. The Jews had a physical promised land...and we have a spiritual one. Each in its kind. To whom much is given MORE is required. So then we are to enter into the kingdom realm as they were to enter a physical land.

What you do is try a direct comparison without taking into consideration of the equivalency based on God's fairness. He does NOT prefer Gentiles by making things harder for the Jews. We are not His favourites. Quite the opposite. We have proved that even with their example of what NOT to do...we have done the very same things.

So then we are worse off for not learning by their example. Only a remnant of them entered in. And only a remnant of us will enter in.

 

[shepherdsword]

You're entitled to an opinion. But you are still not addressing the point I was making.

Why does it need addressing by me?

I understand that it is by faith, and that Epi undermines or destroys faith with how he is teaching.

How does he undermine and destroy faith?

Your post came across as loosey goosey.

Then you fail at reading comprehension. That's not an insult, it's just an observation on how your perception is false.

Don't know how else to describe it. It wasn't meant as an insult, just trying to convey a description of my impression of what you were saying.

It seems to me that you are the one pushing easy believism.

Do you think it is errant and unlearned to have faith in Jesus and what He accomplished on the cross on my behalf?

Once again, you are either trying to pull a bait and switch or you are totally confused about what I said was errant. Your perception of me is errant and unlearned.

It's exact when it is correct, but even then we may not be seeing the entire picture. Discernment is something we learn and grow in. It is possible to be mistaken as you are even saying I am.

I know that your perception of me is false so I know it is coming from a carnal mind and not true discernment. However, think what you wish. I see no need to justify myself before you.

What kind of judgment are you talking about? Condemnation, or the righteous judgement we are to judge with?

Your opinion that you try to pass off as discernment. It's not righteous judgement.

 

[shepherdsword]

No I make no such claim........and am thankful that when I'm not, Jesus has fulfilled the Law for me.

Do you think it is possible for there to be a higher walk, in greater power, with greater love than you currently experience?

 

[MostlyConfused]

I understand that it is by faith, and that Epi undermines or destroys faith with how he is teaching.

No he doesn’t. He just threatens and undermines a false security. He has done nothing but HELP my faith.
This is failing to recognize the body.

 

[ProDeo]

I'm going to need to spend some quiet time with Lord on this. And I thought the "all flesh" had to do with meaning upon the Gentiles and not just the Jews....they were very sort of aware that the Lord had up to then been revealed to them and not the Gentiles. There is the also aspect of an early rain and latter rain....the glory of the latter house being greater than the former house etc. Speaking of the old and new covenants in that respect.

That is certainly a better explanation

 

[ProDeo]

Do you think it is possible for there to be a higher walk, in greater power, with greater love than you currently experience?

According to Paul there is.

1Cor 12:28 And God has appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healing, helping, administrating, and various kinds of tongues.
1Cor 12:29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles?
1Cor 12:30 Do all possess gifts of healing? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret?
1Cor 12:31 But earnestly desire the higher gifts. And I will show you a still more excellent way.

Did Paul elaborate elsewhere ?

Or did he explain in the next (famous) verses ?

 

[Episkopos]

I understand that it is by faith, and that Epi undermines or destroys faith with how he is teaching.

I am pointing out that it is faith that lays hold on grace...not religious beliefs. The problem is that you identify with religious beliefs that don't save anyone.

Do you think it is errant and unlearned to have faith in Jesus and what He accomplished on the cross on my behalf?

On behalf of the world. God decides who is redeemed and who is justified. We can't let an opinion rule the day.

It's exact when it is correct, but even then we may not be seeing the entire picture. Discernment is something we learn and grow in. It is possible to be mistaken as you are even saying I am.

I know...you're half right so everyone else is also.