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Yes..... God, and His heavenly realm exists outside of time.........the Lamb of God was slain from the foundation of the world....but there is also the aspect of the "fullness of time"........Jesus didn't come until the fullness of time (as God appointed it)....I think it must be the same with Pentecost too. Hard to get my head around these things.
All flesh meant both Jews and Gentiles..........and it does seem clear even from that verse that the outpouring of the Holy Spirit was not part of the old covenant.
Exactly, that's what they were waiting for. However, it can't be denied that there were people under the old covenant that were filled with the Holy Spirit.
And this is your problem. You think you know where other people are at. Isn't it presumptuous to assume you know something that you really don't? Where is the humility , that you say you agree with, in that? Just let God be the judge and you will stay out of trouble.
True, but neither can it be denied that the Holy Spirit wasn't given until after the death and resurrection (and ascension) of Christ. We as believers are not on the same footing as those under the old covenant. The new covenant is "something better" than the old. That's not anyone boasting over the OT saints., God forbid..........it is simply the gospel and who am I to contradict it?
Are we not to have discernment then? We dont' always discern everything, but in time often more things become clear. And I'm not your judge, just that I understand more clearly what you believe. I haven't seen you talk much, so I didn't know where you were on certain things. Now I understand you better....have a clearer picture.
Under the old covenant it was only given to certain people and had nothing to do with faith in Christ, as He was not yet revealed.
Once again around here those beautiful scriptures and the point the poster was making with them is being ignored, distracted and deflected from by the picking of a fight about something else.
All I know is that we can't make the old covenant equal to the new covenant.....it wasn't. The new covenant brought a sea change, a new and better paradigm. Episkopos says believers who are not "perfected" are on the same footing as the Jews under the old covenant. That is just very wrong.
Discernment from the Spirit, yes. Superficial judgements from the natural mind, no.
The gospel offends those who reject it. Those that receive it gladly are blessed with the grace (empowerment) to please the Lord. They take His yoke upon them.
Not sure where this came from. I am not seeing anyone with a politically correct message that has all men speaking well of them here. Just the opposite.
That's good if you aren't. It seemed to me that is what people were objecting to. What is the point you are making then? Do you agree with Epi that not yet fully matured believers are on the same footing as Jews under the old covenant?
That sounds like with me. I took a nap at 6:30 A.M after being awake since 1 A.M. and just recently awoke again. And sometimes I’ll need another nap after another 4-6 hours awake. I still get enough sleep I just rarely do it unbroken as I used to. I thought that would end when I moved away from familial chaos, supposing that’s where the sudden exhaustions came from, but no, it continued afterwards too and even to this day.
The conundrum of the law under the NEW covenant is this. We are not "under" the law when we are in the Spirit because we fulfill the law:
