Romans 2

[Dash RipRock]

Idk how it is controversial.

It's only controversial to those that embrace the wisdom of men that false teachers claim to be the wisdom of God.

He's a professor lol

Yeah, that's the problem

It's the same problem the pharisees and sadducees

 

[GracePeace]

It's only controversial to those that embrace the wisdom of men that false teachers claim to be the wisdom of God.

I think not a few of them actually get something out of what they believe, but when they try to explain what they believe, to try to help others get what ever they got, it's completely incoherent indefensible nonsense.

Yeah, that's the problem

It's the same problem the pharisees and sadducees

I know Dr. Wright loves God (I wouldn't compare him to a Pharisee), I just recognize he's got some blinders--and I also recognize I have blinders.

 

[Behold]

So it's all good if they continue living in sin?

Was it good the last time you confessed your sin??
Were you living in it, before you confessed it, or was it one you just chose to do that day?

Listen, if you read Romans 4:8 and 2 Corin 5:19........you'd find something from God, regarding how to understand Salvation, that you have not understood yet.

Seeing to never mentioned repentance, you must be good with people living in sin claiming to be saved.

Christian's who confess sin, who do it so that they can be re-forgiven, again, do not understand The Cross of Christ.

They are diaper babies..... infant Christians, who Paul defines as : Hebrews 6:1

You don't accept all of God's Word.

I accept that you dont understand Paul's doctrine, nor do you understand God's Grace.

You are deceived

You are not a real bible student yet.
When you become one, the first thing you'll do is what Hebrews 13:9 says to do with your heart.
Read that verse carefully.
Start there.

Apparently you believe one can live in opposition to the Lord as an enemy of the Lord in agreement with satan and still be saved.

Anyone who is teaching that you can "lose your salvation" ... or that the Blood of Jesus is not an eternal Sacrifice, is the one preaching the Devils' message that opposes The Cross.
That would be you.

Of course you believe Romans 3:25 is a lie.
Romans 3:25 - Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God

You are the one who said that Jesus's Blood is useless beyond the day you are saved...........remember?
You are the one that said that only the sins you committed up until your day of salvation, are forgiven.
So, you are the person who denies the Blood of Jesus.
YOU.
Did you want to deny it some more?

Now you are teaching works based salvation and that we are supposed to earn our salvation?

If you believe that you can lose your salvation, then you dont Trust in Christ to keep you saved.
And if you dont Trust in Christ to keep you saved, then you have no faith in Christ.

Let me show you how this type of Religious Legalist sounds....

"YES.........i know that Jesus saved me.........but now i have to do and do and do.. and i have to be careful that i dont do and dont do, and if i get all that right, i may stay saved and get to go to heaven".

 

[Behold]

it's completely incoherent indefensible nonsense.

Welcome to your posts.

 

[Debp]

Becoming a Christian, is to be forgiven all sin and then they are born again by God's Spirit.
This happens when the SINNER's "faith is counted by God, as Righteousness".

When this happens...... God will give them the New Birth "in Christ" and that begins their "eternal life".




You dont yet understand that what you do is your discipleship, and What God has provided as Salvaiton, is a Gift. "The Gift of Salvaiton".

Those are not the same.
You dont understand this, yet.




Actually, ive not talked about walking in the flesh., or not.

You're just confused.



Salvation has nothing to do with "walking in agreement with the Lord".

Salvation is an Eternal Gift that God gives to a sinner who has repented of their UNBELIEF....= when the sinner gives God their Faith in Christ.

You dont understand this yet.




'"only some sins are forgiben"....... = That a false teaching that a lot of self righteous heretics pretend is true, because they dont Trust in Christ, they trust in themselves to try to be saved and stay saved.
Most who are like this, are religious but lost.




Just do this..

Romans 12:1




Salvartion is Jesus on The Cross.

This is not a contract you agree to.. as Jesus's Blood and Death is the New Covenant (Contract) between Himself and God.....and that is your silly and self righteous idea of trying to earn your way to heaven.





After Jesus was ascended back into Heaven, He called Paul to be an "Apostle"

This is a Title.

Later, Paul defines the Ministries of the Body of Christ as : Titles.

Prophet
Apostle
Pastor
Evangelist
Teacher

Thanks for clarifying things @Behold ....as usual things have been misconstrued about what you are teaching. You are not teaching that Christians should live a sinful life.

You mentioned @Dash RipRock reference Romans 12:1 to see what you believe. I see he later criticized you for that!

As you mentioned @Behold salvation and discipleship are separate things. As we mature in our faith, we learn to walk in the Spirit...then we won't fulfill the lusts of the flesh.

1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your reasonable service. 2And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God. Romans 12:1-2

 

[Dash RipRock]

You are not teaching that Christians should live a sinful life.

None of the false teachers come out and say it's OK to live a sinful life.
The devil is much too crafty to say that.

What the devil has his false teachers say is that IF we live a sinful life it doesn't mean we are no longer saved, it just means we will lose some rewards in Heaven or something along those lines as they continue to falsely claim it's not possible to lose their salvation even if they turn away from the Lord and go back to living in sin.

So it's still teaching error to people causing them to stumble leading many to believe Christians can actually live in sin and still not lose their salvation which is error and not taught in scripture.

 

[Behold]

None of the false teachers come out and say it's OK to live a sinful life.

You are the false one, who claims that people teach this.....and in fact, they dont.

See, the cult of OSAS, has all these........ "but they teach it"........little untruth's, that they constantly post, that are not factual.

No Born again Believer, who understands God's Grace correctly, teaches "license to sin"...

This nonsense is only taught by people who dont understand their salvation, as they are the heretics who created "OSAS".

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

Romans 2:6–11 makes it abundantly clear: God's judgment is impartial, extending to both Jews and Gentiles based on their deeds. This directly contradicts the dispensationalist notion that posits separate plans of salvation for Jews and Gentiles. Such a framework not only fragments the unity of the Gospel but also undermines the consistency of God's character.

The idea that modern-day Israel, largely secular and composed of individuals without a direct lineage to ancient Israel, holds a unique covenantal status apart from faith in Christ is a theological misstep. Paul's message is unambiguous: salvation is through faith in Jesus Christ alone, and God's promises are fulfilled in Him, not in ethnic lineage or national identity.

It's time to move beyond the dispensationalist lens that distorts the Gospel's universality. Let's return to the Scripture's clear teaching that in Christ, there is neither Jew nor Gentile, but all are one in Him (Galatians 3:28).

 

[Behold]

Romans 2:6–11 makes it abundantly clear: God's judgment is impartial, extending to both Jews and Gentiles based on their deeds. This directly contradicts the dispensationalist notion that posits separate plans of salvation for Jews and Gentiles.

I think your misunderstanding of receiving Salvation is fully stated here in your post...

Listen......

Salvation is Jesus on The Cross, so that is always the same, whether its "in the time of the Gentiles" or during the "Trib-Grt Trib".

Now....... the initial application of God's Salvation changes, once the "time of the Gentiles" ends.

However, Jesus as God's Blood Atonement and New Covenant, never changes, as its always The Cross of Christ.

 

[Dash RipRock]

Galatians 3:28 also says there is neither male nor female so you are all good with the cross dressers and the perverts trying to change their sex and homosexuality and lesbianism are ya?

I guess the racist antisemites are really into sexual perversion.

composed of individuals without a direct lineage to ancient Israel

Another thing satan has been lying about and you racist antisemites eat it up.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

I think your misunderstanding of receiving Salvation is fully stated here in your post...

Listen......

Salvation is Jesus on The Cross, so that is always the same, whether its "in the time of the Gentiles" or during the "Trib-Grt Trib".

Now....... the initial application of God's Salvation changes, once the "time of the Gentiles" ends.

However, Jesus as God's Blood Atonement and New Covenant, never changes, as its always The Cross of Christ.

Ah yes — the ol’ Scofield Shuffle of blasphemous insanity not based in the Gospel.
“Salvation is always the same… except when it isn’t.”
Christ died once for all — but somehow we need different dispensational doorways to access the same cross, depending on what chapter of Scofield’s chart we’re on?

That’s not Scripture — that’s spiritual time travel.
Romans 2 doesn’t leave wiggle room for theological gymnastics. It says plainly:
“There is no favoritism with God.”
Same Lord. Same judgment. Same Gospel. One olive tree — not a Jewish one, a Gentile one, and a tribulation bonsai for later.

You can’t claim the Cross is always the same while slicing salvation into different “applications” for Jews and Gentiles across dispensational timelines. That’s theological sleight of hand.

God’s plan didn’t “pause” for Israel and “resume” later — it culminated in Christ.
You either enter through Him — or you don’t enter at all.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

Galatians 3:28 also says there is neither male nor female so you are all good with the cross dressers and the perverts trying to change their sex and homosexuality and lesbianism are ya?

I guess the racist antisemites are really into sexual perversion.



Another thing satan has been lying about and you racist antisemites eat it up.

^ This kind of wild, frothing nonsense is what happens when someone’s theology is built on a lie. They can’t refute the plain reading of Romans 2 or Galatians 3… so instead, they call Paul a bigot, accuse Jesus of hate speech, and throw in drag queens just to stir the pot.

So now quoting Paul in context — “There is neither Jew nor Gentile” — means I’m endorsing sexual perversion?

You’ve officially left the Bible and are now operating under Scofield’s emotional support manual, where every theological disagreement magically turns into a CNN headline.

Galatians 3:28 isn't about erasing biological categories — it's about unity in Christ, not in genital confusion.
Paul didn’t preach “gender fluidity” — he preached repentance, new birth, and the tearing down of ethnic, legal, and spiritual barriers to salvation.

You’re the one twisting scripture — not me.
And accusing everyone who disagrees with your Zionist fairy tale of being a racist pervert?
That's not discernment. That's delusion.

Try again — this time with a Bible.

 

[Behold]

Christ died once for all — but somehow we need different dispensational doorways

2 things.

1.) Jesus is Salvation.

2.) The Tribulation is not a myth.

Are you in the Trib now?
No you are not.
Is it going to happen?
= Yes.

So, this Revelation was in the bible long before Scofield was a zygote.
If you dont like it, then that doesn't change the Bible, it just proves that you have not caught up yet.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

2 things.

1.) Jesus is Salvation.

2.) The Tribulation is not a myth.

Are you in the Trib now?
No you are not.
Is it going to happen?
= Yes.

So, this Revelation was in the bible long before Scofield was a zygote.
If you dont like it, then that doesn't change the Bible, it just proves that you have not caught up yet.

Yes — Jesus is Salvation.
That’s why there’s only one doorway, not a Scofield funhouse with separate entries for Jews, Gentiles, tribulation martyrs, kingdom saints, and whatever category you’re trying to invent this week.

Nobody said Revelation is a myth. But Revelation doesn't teach two Gospels, two salvations, or two separate bodies of believers. That’s Scofield’s invention — not Christ’s.

You’re acting like recognizing one resurrection “at the last day” (John 6:40), one body (Eph 4:4), and one people of God (Gal 3:28–29) means I deny prophecy.
Not at all.
It means I reject your fractured eschatology that carves up the cross like a buffet line.

I’ve caught up just fine. I just don’t take theology from footnotes written by a con man bankrolled by Zionist interests.

 

[Dash RipRock]

So now quoting Paul in context — “There is neither Jew nor Gentile” — means I’m endorsing sexual perversion?

The scripture you posted has more in it than what you posted.

Many claim since the statement is in God's Word that there is neither male or female, that means homosexuality is OK with the Lord as well as cross dressing. Just asking if you were in agreement with the perverts. Are ya?

You’ve officially left the Bible

Speaking in behalf of the devil again I see.
You should refrain from that sort of thing.

You are clearly racist against the Jews and hate them just like your idol Adolf Hitler, the moslems, and satan

Maybe you just lay down mein kampf and start studying God's Word for a change

 

[Behold]

Yes — Jesus is Salvation.
That’s why there’s only one doorway, not a Scofield funhouse with separate entries for Jews, Gentiles, tribulation martyrs, kingdom saints, and whatever category you’re trying to invent this week.

Is there a Cross of Christ in the OT?

Then you need to realize that the Jews in the OT, are not given the same eternal blood atonement, that you are offered as a person who is in the NT Covenant, times.

Nobody said Revelation is a myth. But Revelation doesn't teach two Gospels, two salvations, or two separate bodies of believers. That’s Scofield’s invention — not Christ’s.

There is Paul's Gospel, and its not found in the Old Testament, as there is no Cross of Christ found there.
So, what is the OT Gospel? Its not Paul's, as Paul's is built on the Cross of Christ.

Also, there is a Trib, and when this begins, the "time of the gentiles" is gone.

The "time of the gentiles' does not proceed into the Trib, as God is resuming His specific dealing with the Jew.........and that is not happening right now, as right now God is dealing with the Gentiles.

So, you can twist and shout, but you can't make those differences honestly or accurately become the same covenant or theology or doctrine.

You’re acting like recognizing one resurrection “at the last day” (John 6:40), one body (Eph 4:4), and one people of God (Gal 3:28–29) means I deny prophecy.

The Body of Christ is not going through the Tribulation., as the Church is not appointed to the "day of wrath."
The BRIDE is not going into ... 2 Thess 1:8-9,......... because the Bride of Christ has obeyed the Gospel, which created the Church through Christ's Cross.

Not at all.
It means I reject your fractured eschatology that carves up the cross like a buffet line.

Your nomenclature is stuck in opinions.. @The Gospel of Christ
Find a new version.

I’ve caught up just fine. I just don’t take theology from footnotes written by a con man bankrolled by Zionist interests.

Try to prove that, little one.
See, any forum chat box can accuse falsely.
And you should know, as you're the one.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

The scripture you posted has more in it than what you posted.

Many claim since the statement is in God's Word that there is neither male or female, that means homosexuality is OK with the Lord as well as cross dressing. Just asking if you were in agreement with the perverts. Are ya?


Speaking in behalf of the devil again I see.
You should refrain from that sort of thing.

You are clearly racist against the Jews and hate them just like your idol Adolf Hitler, the moslems, and satan

Maybe you just lay down mein kampf and start studying God's Word for a change

Ah yes, the classic Scofield escape hatch:
Quote Paul? Get called Hitler.
Reject Zionist theology? Get accused of loving Satan.
Call out false doctrine? Now I’m apparently reading Mein Kampf.

Let’s be real:
You can’t defend your theology with Scripture, so you’ve resorted to emotional blackmail, historical slander, and slanderous name-calling — the last gasps of a crumbling argument.

I follow Jesus Christ — the Jewish Messiah who fulfilled the Law, tore the veil, and made one new man in Himself (Ephesians 2:15).
My loyalty isn’t to flags, regimes, or racial categories — it’s to the Gospel.

And if that triggers Scofield’s disciples, so be it.
I’d rather be slandered by man than compromised before God.

Scofield’s warped theology is the only place where quoting the New Testament makes you a Nazi.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

Is there a Cross of Christ in the OT?

Then you need to realize that the Jews in the OT, are not given the same eternal blood atonement, that you are offered as a person who is in the NT Covenant, times.



There is Paul's Gospel, and its not found in the Old Testament, as there is no Cross of Christ found there.
So, what is the OT Gospel? Its not Paul's, as Paul's is built on the Cross of Christ.

Also, there is a Trib, and when this begins, the "time of the gentiles" is gone.

The "time of the gentiles' does not proceed into the Trib, as God is resuming His specific dealing with the Jew.........and that is not happening right now, as right now God is dealing with the Gentiles.

So, you can twist and shout, but you can't make those differences honestly or accurately become the same covenant or theology or doctrine.



The Body of Christ is not going through the Tribulation., as the Church is not appointed to the "day of wrath."
The BRIDE is not going into ... 2 Thess 1:8-9,......... because the Bride of Christ has obeyed the Gospel, which created the Church through Christ's Cross.



Your nomenclature is stuck on stupid. @The Gospel of Christ
Find a new version.



Try to prove that, little one.
See, any forum chat box can accuse falsely.
And you should know, as you're the one.

Let’s clear this up with actual Scripture, not Scofield’s schizophrenic chart system.

“Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness.” – Romans 4:3
“He is the father of all who believe... in order that righteousness might be credited to them.” – Romans 4:11

So yes — Old Testament saints were justified by faith in God’s promise, which pointed to the same Cross you think didn’t exist yet.
Jesus is called “the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world” – Revelation 13:8.
That includes Abraham, David, and every other pre-Calvary believer.

“There is one body and one Spirit... one Lord, one faith, one baptism.” – Ephesians 4:4–5

Yet here you are preaching multiple faiths, multiple Gospels, and multiple timelines of salvation. That’s not Pauline theology — it’s Scofieldism.

As for your pre-trib rapture doctrine?
It’s built on one half-verse in 1 Thessalonians, twisted through a Darby-Scofield lens.
Meanwhile, Jesus said:

“The one who endures to the end will be saved.” – Matthew 24:13
“At the last day I will raise them up.” – John 6:40

You can insult me all you want — call me “little one,” accuse me of ignorance — it doesn’t change the fact that your entire framework depends on footnotes, not the New Testament.

And if it makes you feel better to call unity in Christ "twisting," that says more about your eschatology than mine.

You keep talking like God needed Scofield to explain what Paul meant. I’ll stick with Paul.

 

[Dash RipRock]

Ah yes, the classic Scofield escape hatch:

Ah yes ye olde effort to justify thy racism and hatred of Jews and they love of Adolf Hitler

I’ll stick with Paul.

You are sticking with racism and hatred of Jews and they love of Adolf Hitler

I’m reading Mein Kampf.

Well that's your whole problem right there!

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

Ah yes ye olde effort to justify thy racism and hatred of Jews and they love of Adolf Hitler



You are sticking with racism and hatred of Jews and they love of Adolf Hitler



Well that's your whole problem right there!

^ Scofield Defense Level 5:
“Quote Galatians? Must be Mein Kampf.”
I see we’ve moved past exegesis and into full-blown Scofield Tourette’s.

I said Paul. You heard Hitler.
That’s not discernment — that’s a Zionist-triggered nervous breakdown.

When your theology requires accusing Paul of antisemitism, it’s not the Bible you’re defending — it’s Scofield’s ghost.