Russia says a bigger war is coming this spring
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Amerikaanse Abrams tanks zijn zelfs kwetsbaar voor wapens uit het Sovjettijdperk, zegt expert - Frontnieuws
Amerikaanse M1 Abrams tanks die Washington heeft besloten als militaire hulp aan Kiev te overhandigen, vertonen zwakheden waardoor ze tijdens het conflict in Irak konden worden uitgeschakeld met Sovjetwapens, waaronder T-55 tanks, vertelde pantserdeskundige, promovendus Militaire Wetenschappen...
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Biden is giving Zylinsky 31 downgraded Abrams tanks maybe a year from now.
The Tungsten downgrading retrofit, all the tungsten has to be obtained from China, a country some US military generals claim we will be at war with in 2025 over Taiwan. These tank deliveries may just be vaporware.
Leopard 2 tanks Ukraine will definitely get soon, but they wont be the latest and greatest Leopard 2xx's either.
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mailmandan
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"This is Bad for America. This is Bad for the World. We are about to Enter Potentially World War III" - General Flynn on Biden's Disaster in Ukraine
General Mike Flynn discussed the end of the Vietnam War 50 years ago and the current situation in Ukraine on the War Room on Friday. Steve Bannon was joined by General Michael Flynn on Friday and they discussed the end of the Vietnam War 50 years ago and the current situation in Ukraine. General...
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Ronald Nolette
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Well they are only getting 14 older Abrams. they are still better than the T-72's, T-80's and on par with the T-90's.
How come you don't mention the massive amount of T-80's and 72's destroyed by all the AT WEAPONS GIVEN TO UKRAINE?
Do you really want Russia to win?
Ronald Nolette
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It's not a matter of anyone wining !
It's a matter of de escalating the War !
The War is stupid and pathetic in fact.
But it's been created to bring about a War in fact, Biden knew that and Zelensky knew it as well and that's why they are willing to sacrifice the People of Ukraine and their homes ! They should of use diplomacy in fact, but they wanted the blood on their hands, for they clearly did not give a rats about the People and the homes etc etc.
What if them people were allowed to Vote on the matter ? what then ! They would of been living contently in fact regardless.
But it's not about the Land grab it's the peoples will in the areas ? The War is about Oil and Gas in fact and this War will never end because no side can afford to loose as to much money is at stake.
Not to mention if anyone try's to take over the Russian military Base down their, WW3 kicks off in fact! because such is Russia's number one Military Base in fact and they are not going to give it up come hell or high water in fact !
All Wars have been and are planed years in advance. Tactics must be understood for what they truly are ?
The average person does not have a clue and the MSM is full of lies as such always ever was in fact. playing the majority for total fools. Don't take your eye off the birdy !
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Choir Loft
Americans do NOT understand what is happening in Ukraine - or why.
Americans do NOT understand history and do NOT understand international politics. Consequently foolish statements like the one quoted above inhabit the rhetoric of our citizens. We believe social media and flashing images on TV rather than the unfolding acts of history.
The concept of international political influence lies at the heart of the matter in Ukraine. US leadership has deliberately broken a number of unwritten laws about behavior and respect of these rules. As a consequence the citizens of Ukraine are now being subjected to death and loss. As a consequence the citizens of America are being asked, once again, to swallow lies and innuendo about a war we have caused far from our own shores.
Our leaders believe us to be a gullible mob, as easily led into war as unknowing children.
The most highly decorated Marine Corps General in US history, Smedley D. Butler understood all too well the real nature of the US Marine Corps and US foreign policy in general when he concluded after his retirement in 1931 that;
"I spent 33 years and four months in active military service, and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism."
Each superpower nation has within its sphere of influence a set of minor nations. These minor nations, or vassal states, are subservient to the master nation. For instance, western Europe is a set of vassal nations subservient to the leadership of Washington, DC. Some European nations that border Russia are subservient to the whims of Moscow.
Belarus and Ukraine ARE two vassal nations subservient to the Kremlin. They are connected via trade, military alliance, historic significance, common culture and geography. Since the fall of the Soviet Union, the United States and its vassal states have attempted in many ways to usurp Russian dominance over its own vassal states of which Ukraine is one. America has attempted to insinuate its corporate influence into Ukraine and to milk its people (consumer$) for whatever profit it can derive. Russia interprets these insinuations as a deliberate assault upon its own sovereignty. (This writer has spoken to citizens of Russia and Belarus IN PERSON and face to face to establish the understanding of their politics as written here.)
The government of the United States has always justified its international (and domestic) trade aggressions by the use of military force. (see the quote of General Butler above) This writer has witnessed such unjustified aggression in person with his own eyes. The government of the United States has always broken peace agreements that proved unprofitable by means of the application of deadly force. Ask ANY Native American about the sincerity of US government promises of peace and 'freedom'.
"The only good Indian is a dead Indian." (US Army general Phillip Sheridan)
Anyone who believes the current American political position with regard to Ukraine is based on a concern for personal freedom of its citizens is a blind fool. Shame on anyone with a brain in their head for believing American lies about freedom. It's all about the money. It always has been.
We are being led into ANOTHER pointless war. The blood of Americans has already been shed in Ukraine. How much more will be spilled upon the ground before our leadership invents another conflict for us to enjoy? Americans LOVE WAR. Nobody calls for peace. Nobody wants it. Americans love murder and destruction. Our history proves this to be true. Americans don't know what to do with peace when they have it, so another war is invented. Statements of bloviated American exceptionalism continue to abound. One made by a former leader provides an example;
In 1998 Secretary of State Albright claimed that “If we have to use force, it is because we are America: we are the indispensable nation.”
On the other hand, Jesus said "blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called the sons of God." (Matt 5:9)
"Don't let anybody make you think that God chose America as His divine messianic force to be a sort of policeman of the whole world. God has a way of standing before the nations with justice and it seems that I can hear God saying to America, 'You are too arrogant. If you don't change your ways I will rise up and break the back bone of your power.'" (Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr. circa 1967)
"The US government is the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today." (MLK 1966)
If there is a bully, it's America. If there is shame to be applied, it's upon America for being the cause of Ukraine's suffering. Is Vladimir Putin an innocent school boy? Absolutely not, but neither is he a coward in the face of American aggression. Is Putin acting logically? Evidence suggests he isn't. On the other hand, American hopes of wise leadership have been betrayed.
It has been said that if a man wants to go crazy he should move to Washington, DC where it will not be noticed.
Remember that Ukrainian president Zelensky was a COMEDIAN before being elected to high office.
We are being led by fools and clowns.
May God have mercy upon us all.
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Ronald Nolette
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Ronald Nolette
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So you believe that because Ukraine which was once an independent nation, then enslaved and in 1991 became an independent sovereign nation once again, should just submit to the whims of Moscow? So once a slave always a slave?
I am not saying the west are saints and all is rosy, I know the global kabals and the NWO, Davos, Bilderbergs, Great Reset, Illuminati etc.etc.
But no nation- not even the US has the right to invade and kill civilians just because that nation which is sovereign wishes to do things its way.
Since the end of WW2- it is only Russia that has invaded sovereign nations and enslaved them. the west did not invade and control and bomb one nation in Europe!
And my quote (more of a paraphrase) was taken right from Putins mouth and Putins writings! But I do agree with you that Putin, in uttering this desire made a very foolish statement.
Well I agree in geo politics, concern is further down the list. this is a prxy war being waged by the west. It was convenient that Russia used lying statements to invade. And sorry but Ukraine's vassal role ended in 1991 when the old USSR disintegrated and all teh nations either became or regained their sovereignty!
If Putin sat back and did nothing regarding Ukraine and it's new puppet Zelensky and his Anti-Christ Mobsters, Putin would be seen as a Traitor to the Russian people in fact.
Ukraine has a Tyrant domination over Ukraine in fact and a Mob who are dominating over the Show !
This criminal Moron Zelensky has totally bastardised the agreements between Russia and Ukraine and wanted and created the War ! They knew that was coming in fact !
Zelensky is a total bastard but only a puppet for the Mob ? They put a total fool in power with no political understanding worthy of such a position in fact ! This created the whole problem ! that never should of happened. Such could not be tolerated any longer by Russia and this set the wheels in motion for War .
Ok Zelensky and the Mob wanted War and pressed all the right buttons to create the War in fact ! He had the backing of the Mob this was the deal !
Putin had sat back for to long letting Ukraine run loose like a moron because Putin was being too nice, hoping that Ukraine would come back to it's roots.
Zelensky is a Tyrant and his Mob has acted like a total moron and has violated so many set agreement's with next door Russia. A idiot move, but what the hell if one like Zelensky has no regard for the Ukraine people in fact ! He is working for the Mob and not the people of Ukraine.
Zelensky totally dictates over everyone in Ukraine and kills any Ukraine person who does not want to be his Slave in fact, If one says that they do not want to fight anymore ? well you are shot on the spot ! Just like in Nazi Germany, you have no rights to an opinion at all, but will have to fight to the last man standing. But for what ! Truly, it has noting to do with the Borders really as such as that could be solves easy as pie ! What this War is about is Oil and Gas as that's big money that the Mob want.
Not to mention Russia wants a deal on the Oil and Gas as well but more to do with the rights and not being cut off to the Black Sea, so Huston we have a problem ! A deal must be reached if anyone cares for the lives lost ?
But the lives lost is not the issue in the MSM at all is it ! nor is coming to some agreement.
The Land could easy be won on a Vote and Russia would of won that easy as but for a Tyrant and the Mob, G Soros, J Biden etc etc having their cash cow diminished.
Do the Satanic powers that be want to destroy Russia and undermine it's people, you bet ya ! They always have from 1904 the plan was set to undermine all of Russia and the East and keep them down, this was cooked up creation by Rothschild's They created and fed the insanity of Communism etc to keep people under enslavement !
Putin is not a Communist in fact, Russia is not under Communism, but Russia is not like the USA etc the people are different and Putin has done wonders in creating a Russia that has progressed out of Communism to be a powerhouse, but they have Queer people as well who want to totally dominate over Russian people and the USA promote such filth to cause trouble in Russia, as they are trying to totally undermine the Russian Government 100% full on for years ! interfering in elections as much as possible as it is in Ukraine as well in fact.
We are not allowed to see what different Governments are on about in Russia or Ukraine !
So when one bothers to look into what the different Political Party's truly are on about, you can not truly find out ! but for a stupid 3rd rate childish commentary that is worthless really to understand because such is shallow and not in depth to the real motives that drive them. Take that Russian opposition idiot, who poisoned himself ? he is a Queer peddler and a Communist idiot ! and the USA Democrats want his Party to take power.
If Putin wanted that idiot poisoned he would be dead ! Then the MSM say Putin could not Kill him, he tried and failed ? Anything and everything just tossed at Putin, just like it is with Trump ! in the hope that something will stick, even if it's total BS. That's how Satanist work. They want to keep all in the dark and feed you like Mushrooms.
Communism and Nazism was just that, creating people into mushrooms ! controlled by Satanic morons, such is typical of everyday trash you come across. Deranged evil dupes.
Why tanks are becoming obsolete, infantry has the ATGM weapons to destroy them all.
Don't expect tanks to survive unless they also have infantry to take out opposing infantry.
But ATGM are also getting more lethal from further away.
Tanks are a general's favorite intimidation tactic. In reality a 5 to 10 million dollar tank is easily destroyed by hand held ATGM of a few ten thousand dollars.
Don't expect tanks to survive unless they also have infantry to take out opposing infantry.
But ATGM are also getting more lethal from further away.
Tanks are a general's favorite intimidation tactic. In reality a 5 to 10 million dollar tank is easily destroyed by hand held ATGM of a few ten thousand dollars.
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Choir Loft
The question of national sovereignty is ambiguous in terms of modern international politics. Addressing such a situation can only be accurately accomplished in terms of history - certainly not the vagaries of TV news and the rabid rhetoric of social media.
The term vassal state applies to ANY nation that is allied with or dependent upon another nation which boasts of superior military, economic and financial strength. For instance, many of the nations of western Europe are vassal states of Washington, DC. Most nations that border Russia are vassal states of Moscow. The historic reasons for this arrangement are too numerous to discuss in depth here, but it's true nonetheless.
The language of Ukraine is Russian.
The people of Ukraine are Russian.
The culture of Ukraine is Russian.
The history of Ukraine is linked to Russia.
The United States has always been a nation of ongoing hustlers from the prisons and disaster areas of old Europe. I do not think that the American System in its present state of decadence is worth preserving. The initial success of the United States was largely accidental. A rich empty continent was exploited by rapacious Europeans who made slaves of Africans and corpses of Indians in the process. (GORE VIDAL)
The phrase "my country right or wrong" rings in the ear like the ramblings of a drunk soldier. (I certainly heard it often enough when I wore the uniform.)
Americans didn't bomb one country in Europe?
We killed or destroyed everything in sight. History records that we flattened its buildings, killed most of its young men and destroyed its ability to stand independently. When Americans and Russians marched into Europe we established our own political positions - we established Europe as our empire of vassal states.
Ukraine was already one of them. The people of Ukraine stood shoulder to shoulder against German invasion (both times).
Ukraine is no more independent of Moscow than Manhattan is independent of Washington. Shall we give Manhattan back to the Indians that sold the land to white Europeans? The idea is absurd in the extreme, yet those who are convinced of the American right to usurp all nations for the purposes of corporate financial profit conveniently forget the history of eastern Europe - and ignore the reality that our own citizens are also forced to live in chains forged and enforced by unelected corporate profit motives.
I can think of no greater horror (in the eyes of Russian leadership and its people) than seeing German panzers rolling eastward on the steppes of Mother Russia once again.
It matters not who drives them. They are/will be attacking upon ground which they have no legal or historic right to occupy. This is not 1941, but the sight of attacking tanks in Ukraine will certainly evoke memories of horror and rage that will not be salved except by the most violent and extreme measures possible - nuclear measures.
Whatever one's opinion of Mr. Putin might be, it's important to understand that at this moment in time Putin has his back against a wall. He has botched his invasion of Ukraine and now faces almost unbeatable columns of western armor rolling in his direction. AS IT DID IN 1941 so it is happening again. One can only imagine the clouds of anger and frustration which now darken the Kremlin.
Animals are most dangerous when they feel trapped. Even animals that usually tend to flee conflict will react with murderous dangerous self-preserving rage. This is the position Mr. Putin now occupies. His only recourse will be the deployment of Tactical Nuclear Weapons on the battlefield (according to the Medvedev doctrine).
American cowboy diplomacy will not resolve the issue. Anybody who believes this is a fool. When summer nears we can expect to see mushroom clouds above the fields of Ukraine. No tank, however well built, can survive such a blow.
THE ONLY SOLUTION is mutual peace. The only way to avoid the possibility of a wider nuclear holocaust is to seek peace as quickly as possible.
Our problem is that Americans believe the only answer to anything is to throw money at a problem or kill it.
We shall reap the reward of our own madness.
THIS IS NOT A GAME.
May God help us.
The Day of Reckoning is approaching. It is time to REPENT of our SINs and wickedness and to make peace with God who alone can save us from the chains we have forged upon ourselves.
REPENT. A Day of Reckoning is coming.....coming very soon.
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Dropship
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Putin talked the talk a few years ago with this comment-
But has failed miserably to walk the walk..:)
He got it all wrong from the start; what he should have done was firstly to hold a referendum in the Donbas Region of eastern Ukraine asking them if they wanted to become part of Russia and they'd have said "Yes" because they've always been very pro-Russian, then he could have occupied that area with a clear conscience.
But instead, he tried to invade the whole of Ukraine, spreading his forces too thinly along the northern border instead of concentrating them into armoured spearheads in true blitzkrieg fashion to 'pincer out' the Donbas along the red arrows like below; it's not rocket science, Hitler got to the gates of Moscow with such 'spearhead' tactics..:)
But has failed miserably to walk the walk..:)
He got it all wrong from the start; what he should have done was firstly to hold a referendum in the Donbas Region of eastern Ukraine asking them if they wanted to become part of Russia and they'd have said "Yes" because they've always been very pro-Russian, then he could have occupied that area with a clear conscience.
But instead, he tried to invade the whole of Ukraine, spreading his forces too thinly along the northern border instead of concentrating them into armoured spearheads in true blitzkrieg fashion to 'pincer out' the Donbas along the red arrows like below; it's not rocket science, Hitler got to the gates of Moscow with such 'spearhead' tactics..:)
atgm weapon - Search Videos
Do you see how far away they find their targets, 2.5 miles. They are guided internally by locking on their targets, fire and forget.
Russia Kornet has a longer range of 5 miles and is laser beam guided, analogous to the US TOW missile system.
You want to be as far as possible away from an Abrams tank when taking one out. Five miles away exceed Abram's range of fire from what I read.
Javelin vs Kornet
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Choir Loft
Your assessment is inaccurate both in terms of actual events and historic precedent. I like the graphic, though. It's pretty.
On the other hand, I feel I must compliment your effort. It's logical as far as your limited data allows and attempts to present your position in dispassionate terms. Most such arguments are examples of brain-dead flag waving idiots who've drunk too much beer before they began to write. Thank you for an intelligent post. You missed the issue by a country mile, but you did so with intelligence and grace.
Putin isn't Hitler, but the Russian army of today is affected by the same factors that began to defeat Germany in late 1941. The biggest single reason for defeat is that both Germany and Russia were led by inept dictators who imagined themselves to be military experts. They weren't.
Russians forces weren't spread too thinly. In fact, they were dispersed with the specific purpose in mind to "decapitate" Kiev leadership at the outset and to spread across eastern Ukraine where it was thought there would be little opposition. Most of the Russian forces were deployed in the northern nation of Belarus.
(I personally know people there who were warned of an imminent move of Russian troops and machinery. It was the warnings they were given by the Belarus government that led to my own estimation of the beginning of hostilities.)
When everyone everywhere, including clown prince Zelenskyy, was saying Russia wouldn't invade I predicted the start of the invasion to within 48 hours. I also predicted its failure and why.
I realize you can't verify my statement, but it's true nonetheless. Here's why.
Modern military columns use machinery to advance into battle. The biggest problem with waging war on the steppes of Eastern Europe is winter.
It defeated Charles of Sweden.
It defeated Napoleon of France.
It defeated Hitler of Germany.
It defeated Putin of Russia.
No general in his right mind would begin a war in winter on the steppes of Eastern Europe, but Putin did. He was too eager to grab Ukraine and far too impatient. As a result the Russian army lost the initiative of battle and consequently lost a great deal of its equipment and personnel.
There are a few good paved roads leading south from Belarus to the border of Ukraine and its capital a short distance away. Everyone's initial estimates suggested Russian armored units would enter the suburbs of Kiev within a few days. Their time table went askew when they became gridlocked on the roads BECAUSE WINTER TURNS THE GROUND INTO STICKY UNFORGIVING MUCK. By the time spring rains stopped and the ground began to dry, Ukraine was able to muster sufficient forces to defeat the advancing Russian columns.
Reports that reached western news media told of trucks and armored vehicles running out of gas as they waited in long lines on grid locked roads. They ran out of gas because their drivers and crews were running their engines to provide heat to warm their crews. When the fuel ran out they became sitting targets for small teams of Ukrainian snipers. Putin reacted, as inept dictators often do, by firing his general(s).
Realizing the spearhead into Ukraine toward Kiev had failed, the new Russian generals shifted most of the northern force from Belarus to Eastern Ukraine. Again the winter, logistical and organizational factors came into play and valuable good weather was wasted on the reorganization. One doesn't move an army as easily as one changes direction in their Prius. By the time the Russian invasion could continue in Eastern Ukraine the Ukrainian forces, operating easily on interior lines, were able to slow the Russian advance and ultimately mount minor offensive actions to regain a few small villages (which played well on propaganda sites in Ukraine and America). The summer offensive for Russia failed also and as a result the general in charge was dismissed.
Late summer and autumn news stories suggested some disgruntled disagreement between Mr. Putin and a few of the oligarchs that provided political and logistical support. One by one these oligarchs suffered mysterious deaths. Putin was putting the screws down on his supporters, but it was already too late. Reverses on the battlefield are not so easily dismissed. It was admitted on both sides that if the war continued it would be a long one.
An attempt to shorten the war in Ukraine was proposed by Germany and Mr. Biden's hawkish advisors. The clown prince of Kiev called for tanks and advanced jet fighter-bombers. Long story short is that Zelenskyy will probably get them. The worst of it is NOBODY is paying attention to Putin's warnings that he'll release hell upon Ukraine - hell in the form of Tactical Nuclear Weapons.
Chickenhawk Americans, who aren't personally involved in the battle and most likely have never worn a uniform, seem to think cowboy diplomacy - wherein America goes in with guns blazing - will solve the problem. What is the real problem?
The real problem is that after the fall of the Soviet Union our dear friends the CEOs of every major mega corporation sought to ease a slice of Ukrainian economic pie for themselves. Ukrainians, under the false impression they were free of Kremlin chains, tended to embrace the corporate takeover. But pundits and international experts alike all predicted that unless restrained such actions would lead to war. They were right. Few remember their warnings, but they were right.
Today new warnings are being voiced. Those warnings suggest the use of TNWs on Ukrainian battlefields will lead to general nuclear war. They are not fiction. They are not illusory. They are not mad. Indeed those who ignore them will prove to be mad themselves.
If not stopped, the movement of German panzers onto the sacred soil of Russia (remember: Moscow believes Ukraine to be Russian) will result in nuclear fire in Ukraine by early summer.
Would you like to bet real money on this possibility? I'm game if you are. (After all, if nuclear war is in our future our savings accounts won't be as valuable as a pile of manure.)
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Dropship
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Tell that to my 6" silver trophy I won for whupping all comers in an internet gaming tournament under my fighting name 'PoorOldSpike'..:)-
It sits on its own small table in my living room, carefully positioned so that it's the first thing guests see when they arrive, and I can keep steering the conversation towards it during the course of the evening..:)
PS- you're right about Hitler and Putin being useless military commanders, any kid would have them for breakfast in a computer wargame..:)
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Choir Loft
It's quite true that any kid who's adept at computer war games could defeat Putin or Hitler. Unfortunately, those kids aren't in charge of the German or Russian government.
Wise people seldom enter politics.
It's been said that if a man wants to go crazy he should move to Washington, DC where it will not be noticed.
"This country has come to feel the same when Congress is in session as when a baby gets hold of a hammer." (Will Rogers)
Congratulations on your trophy, btw. Lookin' good, as they say.
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