Saint Peter - Much European talk relies on tradition

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The simple fact is that there is not one single word in the Bible about Peter being in Rome. So, any claims are strictly "tradition."

That is your opinion. 1 Peter 5:13. AT THAT TIME, Babylon was a code word for pagan Rome. Where does the verse say Peter wrote from? Are you reading it with the bias of man made Protestant tradition?

There is nothing wrong with "Tradition". Paul talks about good Tradition. But you use the term "tradition" in the derogatory sense blanketing all tradition. That too, is in itself, a man made Protestant tradition.

Ignoring truck loads of evidence from post-biblical writings spanning 3 centuries is also a man made Protestant tradition.

 

[Taken]

We have no biblical records of Saint Peter being in Europe. It would of helped had Saint Peter written to a European Church.

In Brief ~

Hebrews were chosen to be an EXAMPLE of men for men of the World.

Hebrews divided...some remained faithful to God, some adopted Gentile false gods.

The 12 Tribes....collective....oops; divided.
Ten tribes to the north, divided from Benjamin and Judah. Jew is the short term for a person from the tribe of Judah.
Today, any man from historical ties to any of the 12 Tribes and ancient Hebrews, typically reference themselves as A JEW;
1) By bloodline
And / Or
2) By religious practice

Tribal lands, overtaken, the peoples thereof disbursed, captured, killed, bondage, etc.

Any man has two things that binds him.
1) a bond between the man and his God.
2) a (land) bond between the man and his like people.

When one bond "faulters", so shall the other.
The result; Division.

Division results in: loss of strength, and an easy and weak target to be overtaken; by:
1) evil spirits
2) evil/wicked men

Jesus came to do Several things...
(Not exclusive)...
1) Seek the Lost Jews
....(those who had drifted away from Belief
....( IN God, ignoring God, or having
....( adopted pagan gods.
2) Cause Division
....( Jews who would accept God ONLY
....( Jews who would accept God & Jesus
....(....being "thee" Christ Messiah

^^ Those are the primary things, Jesus Chose 12 Jewish men, to learn from Jesus, and CONTINUE Jesus' teaching, after He left the earth.

(And we find even within the 12...division, resistance, doubt, betrayal, reconcillation.)

To your Comment;

The 12 Disciples were Chosen for a Specific Task.....and it was Specificly geared toward JEWS.

IMO - many Gentiles reading the "whole" of NT scriptures, DO NOT, consider:

It is a JEW speaking to a JEW about JEWS.
Which is NOT applicable to a Gentile.

It is a matter of dividing the Scriptures, the Word, The Truth, of knowing what APPLIES to the Gentile and what DOES NOT APPLY to the Gentile.

A Jew speaking to a Jew about Jewish Laws, customs, feasts, etc....has nothing to do with a Gentile.

However, the PRECEPTS, also contained in the Scriptures...WHEN it be a Jew or Gentile... IOW, any mans "behavior" toward any other man...
Then ... THAT portion of the Scripture...
Applies to ANY MAN...(Jew or Gentile)

Thus...the teaching of the Jewish Disciples TO Jews, contains valuable information on "PRECEPTS" of the Word of God, of His acceptance and desires of HOW HE wants men to treat men, regardless of WHO the other man is.

For the Gentiles, (aside from learning PRECEPTS taught to the Jews by Jewish disciples)...

Enter PAUL into the picture...
A Jewish Pharisee, highly skilled in Jewish Law, A Roman citizen, knowledgable in Roman Law, a MIX...
He being a son of a Gentile father and Jewish mother.

A perfect, candidate, to teach Gentiles, (historically subject to Gentile Government leaders / cultures /ways )about the Jewish God, and the Christ Messiah of the Jewish God.

And even moreso, since PAUL himself was once a rejector of Jesus, and himself became reconcilled.
( It's like the reformed criminal or drug addict, being the best candidate to teach others by using himself as an example, truly having an understanding of who he is teaching,)

So thus...Agree with your point.
You will not find the original disciples SEEKING Gentiles. That was not their task.

That is not to say, they Never spoke to or addressed Gentiles. Of course there was some interaction. There was no division in who could stand in a crowd and listen. Crowds were mixed with Jews, Gentiles, men, women, believers, deniers, govt. spies, etc.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

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That is your opinion. 1 Peter 5:13. AT THAT TIME, Babylon was a code word for pagan Rome. Where does the verse say Peter wrote from? Are you reading it with the bias of man made Protestant tradition?

There is nothing wrong with "Tradition". Paul talks about good Tradition. But you use the term "tradition" in the derogatory sense blanketing all tradition. That too, is in itself, a man made Protestant tradition.

Ignoring truck loads of evidence from post-biblical writings spanning 3 centuries is also a man made Protestant tradition.

Not saying that you're right or wrong, but consider this.
1 Peter 5:13 "The church that is at Babylon, elected together with you, saluteth you; and so doth Marcus my son”. Peter was writting to the strangers that was scattered from Jerusalem, 1 Peter 1:1 "Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia".

the reason why we say this, it seems like Peter was at Jerusalem because of these scriptures,

#1. 1 Peter 2:12 "Having your conversation honest among the Gentiles: that, whereas they speak against you as evildoers, they may by your good works, which they shall behold, glorify God in the day of visitation". if Peter was writting from Rome should he have something like, "Having our conversation honest among the Gentiles", and "whereas they speak against us as evildoers". read these verses for yourself. it seem to me that the ones who he was writting to was amoung Gentiles and not him. now I could be wrong here, but look at the verses

#2. 1 Peter 5:13 "The church that is at Babylon,
Babylon might be a code name for Rome, but consider the book of Revelation as to how Babylon is used there. Revelation 17:5 "And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
same chapter verse 18,
Revelation 17:18 "And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth". the woman is a "City", so now which city is "Babylon", the woman?

according to Revelation 17:18 above. And this is confirmed in Revelation 11:8 "And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified”. well our Lord was crucified at Jerusalem, and it is called spiritually Sodom and Egypt. Peter said, the church that is at Babylon .... elected together with you. the you is not at Babylon where Peter is at. the key in understanding the Woman, (which is a city) is by the idenity, “Great City”, which Revelation 11:8 clearly states as Jerusalem.

now I could be in erro, but check it out, thanks in advance.

PICJAG.

 

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Not saying that you're right or wrong, but consider this.
1 Peter 5:13 "The church that is at Babylon, elected together with you, saluteth you; and so doth Marcus my son”. Peter was writting to the strangers that was scattered from Jerusalem, 1 Peter 1:1 "Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia".

the reason why we say this, it seems like Peter was at Jerusalem because of these scriptures,

#1. 1 Peter 2:12 "Having your conversation honest among the Gentiles: that, whereas they speak against you as evildoers, they may by your good works, which they shall behold, glorify God in the day of visitation". if Peter was writting from Rome should he have something like, "Having our conversation honest among the Gentiles", and "whereas they speak against us as evildoers". read these verses for yourself. it seem to me that the ones who he was writting to was amoung Gentiles and not him. now I could be wrong here, but look at the verses

#2. 1 Peter 5:13 "The church that is at Babylon,
Babylon might be a code name for Rome, but consider the book of Revelation as to how Babylon is used there. Revelation 17:5 "And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
same chapter verse 18,
Revelation 17:18 "And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth". the woman is a "City", so now which city is "Babylon", the woman?

according to Revelation 17:18 above. And this is confirmed in Revelation 11:8 "And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified”. well our Lord was crucified at Jerusalem, and it is called spiritually Sodom and Egypt. Peter said, the church that is at Babylon .... elected together with you. the you is not at Babylon where Peter is at. the key in understanding the Woman, (which is a city) is by the idenity, “Great City”, which Revelation 11:8 clearly states as Jerusalem.

now I could be in erro, but check it out, thanks in advance.

PICJAG.

I like that you see that the Harlot is apostate Jerusalem.

- The Harlot (Jerusalem) is drunk on the blood of God's holy ones (Rev. 17:6).
- Jerusalem killed the prophets (Matt. 23:37, Luke 13:34).
- Jerusalem worked in tandem with pagan Rome against the Early Church - killing more of God's holy ones (Acts 7:54-60, Acts 8:3).

However, Peter is NOT stating that he is IN the Great City (Jerusalem).
He is giving a salutation FROM Babylon (Rome).