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Lets look at Salvation.

Salvation is to BE saved.
Salvation is to be "One with God and Christ", joined spiritually.
The proof you are, is not your water baptism or your church membership.
But rather its to become "ONE with God, and Christ'.
Salvation, is to exits IN God and God in you.
"Christ IN YOU< THE Hope......of Glory".

To be that, is a ETERNAL situation.
Eternal life, is not temporary, and once you have become a part of God, you have the Life that is eternal.
Jesus is eternal life and be being "in Christ", you have eternal life.

God does not partly save, and God does not require you to maintain your salvation.
Now, your discipleship, is yours to supply, but salvation is God's to Give.
You can no more keep yourself saved then you can be the blood of Jesus.
You can no more stop being saved, then you can stop being born.
Imagine the ignorance of being on a forum trying to prove you can stop being born.
Imagine telling your mother that you have no more desire to be born, no more faith to be here, and so, you are no longer born.
What would she think? Would she think you have lost your sanity?
So, imagine what God thinks when some try to prove they can stop being born again.
Don't be that deceived one.

Now, lets talk about HOW you went from being lost sinner to : saved Saint.
How you went from lost and alone in this world, to being a heir of God, and a Joint heir with Christ. How you went from Hell bound to Heaven's eternal child.

It happened like this..

God had to resolve your sin issue for you, as its your sin that had stopped all relationship between you and God.
Had you gone to hell, it would not have been because you are bad, but because you were not restored to relationship with God before you died.. See, all the people who went to hell today, and are now scheduled who final judgement.. Revelation 20:11.... are not God's Family.
They belong to the devil. He is their Father. So, the born again end up with their Father in eternity, and the rest end up with their Father in the lake of Fire.
So, God came here, to provide you with the only means to be restored back into His Eternal life, which is His family.
To do that, God had to make you as righteous as He is in a way that keeps you the same.
See, if the righteousness He gave you could be stopped, then its no good.
But because the "gift of righteousness" is not related to your behavior and is always unchanging, you exist always as "the righteousness of God, in Christ".

God had to make you as sinless as He is to save you.....and the only means to do this is for God to offer His own Blood for you.
Jesus is God.
And when Jesus shed His blood, He is shedding God's blood for you.
And there is POWER in this Holy Blood. There is Eternal LIFE in this Holy Blood. There is forgiveness for all sin of the world, in this Holy blood. If this blood has touched you, then you are CLEAN forever, redeemed forever, forgiven for all eternity.
God's blood is not a partial or temporary resolution, it its in fact THE Eternal redemption supplied for you, as "the Gift of Salvation".

God's blood is not a partial payment or a temporary solution and knowing this is to understand the Grace of God.
God's blood shed for you is why God accepts you, and no other reason need apply.
See, God never accepts you based on you. He never takes you based on you.
God never keeps you based on you..
Its only God's BLOOD that God accepts to accepts you, and nothing else.
Unless God's blood has made you acceptable, then you are hell bound.
Never think that after you are saved, you then can do anything that will cause God to keep you, as if you think this, you have fallen from Grace and become a self saving fool.
There is no self saving. There is no keeping salvation based on YOURSELF.
There is on the Gift of God , that is God's blood that made you righteous, and keeps you righteous.

Jesus is God's Blood being shed, so if you have Jesus in you, then you have God's blood shed for you.
Final Answer, and all others are HERESY created by the DEVIL.

Finally...
Why does God accept you, based on His Blood?
Its because His blood so cleanses you, so perfects you, so sanctifies you, and so redeems you, that the eternal effect of it, is that you are "made righteous", forever.
IN other words, when God as Christ on the Cross became you sin, you became Christ's very righteousness.
When you were born again, ...not just water baptized, but, BORN AGAIN, .. then God's very righteousness became who you are, right now, and forever more.
That is the eternal effect, of, "the Gift of Salvation". which is the "Gift of Righteousness".

Saint...
God gave you for free, = the GIFT of becoming as Righteous as He is, and remaining so throughout eternity.
This is "the GIFT of Salvation".
This cost you nothing but your faith in Christ, while it Cost God His Son and His own Blood.

Hallelujah.
Great is the Lamb who was slain for us, and Great is the Lion who is alive and is coming back soon.
 

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God does not partly save, and God does not require you to maintain your salvation.

Right...He maintains our salvation (Psalms 16:5).

He keeps us walking in His goodness (Philippians 2:13), if we are sealed by the Holy Spirit (Ephesians 1:13-14, Ephesians 4:30, 2 Corinthians 1:22, 2 Corinthians 5:5).

The scripture is faithful to declare that if we cease to walk in His goodness, we will be "cut off" (Romans 11:20-22).

You can no more keep yourself saved then you can be the blood of Jesus.

1Jo 5:18, We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

You can no more stop being saved, then you can stop being born.

Once a man is born his life can cease from being life if he dies.

Likewise, if we allow sin to become fully grown in us, we can die spiritually (James 1:14-16).

So, God came here, to provide you with the only means to be restored back into His Eternal life, which is His family.
To do that, God had to make you as righteous as He is in a way that keeps you the same.

practically.

See, if the righteousness He gave you could be stopped, then its no good.

If you stop practicallt walking in His righteousness, then your righteousness is stopped.

But because the "gift of righteousness" is not related to your behavior and is always unchanging, you exist always as "the righteousness of God, in Christ".

This "imputed righteousness" is because of faith in Christ. If anyone stops believing in Christ, they also cease to have imputed righteousness.

"Imputed righteousness" also has to do with the fact that, through faith, the Lord has given you an unshakable identity in Christ, that you are righteous, as long as you have faith; even if you blow it.

Now that you have this identity, go and live like it (1 John 3:7, Romans 5:19, Matthew 5:6).

And when Jesus shed His blood, He is shedding God's blood for you.
And there is POWER in this Holy Blood. There is Eternal LIFE in this Holy Blood. There is forgiveness for all sin of the world, in this Holy blood. If this blood has touched you, then you are CLEAN forever, redeemed forever, forgiven for all eternity.

I agree to a certain extent. For as long as you are walking in the light as He is in the light, you have fellowship with other believers and the blood of Jesus continually cleanseth you from all sin (1 John 1:7).

Never think that after you are saved, you then can do anything that will cause God to keep you, as if you think this, you have fallen from Grace and become a self saving fool.

Again,

1Jo 5:18, We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

There is no self saving. There is no keeping salvation based on YOURSELF.

Partially true; for it is written,

Phl 2:13, For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

Jesus is God's Blood being shed, so if you have Jesus in you, then you have God's blood shed for you.
Final Answer, and all others are HERESY created by the DEVIL.

So, you're saying that the scriptures I have quoted above were inspired by the devil.

I'm sorry; but that is borderline blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

I will say that your statement, if isolated from the rest of what you were saying, is absolutely true.

Finally...
Why does God accept you, based on His Blood?
Its because His blood so cleanses you, so perfects you, so sanctifies you, and so redeems you, that the eternal effect of it, is that you are "made righteous", forever.

practically.

1Jo 3:6, Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

1Jo 2:17, And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.


Saint...
God gave you for free, = the GIFT of becoming as Righteous as He is, and remaining so throughout eternity.

practically.

And you cannot apply it to yourself if your righteousness isn't practical in the long run.

For you are declared righteous through your faith; that is, righteousness is imputed to you: so that your identity in Christ is that you are righteous, even if you blow it.

However, it is impossible for God to lie; and therefore if you are declared as being righteous, you are righteous. And, in God's timing, this righteousness is going to work itself out practically in your life (1 John 3:7, Romans 5:19, Matthew 5:6).
 

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The scripture is faithful to declare that if we cease to walk in His goodness, we will be "cut off" (Romans 11:20-22).

Likewise, if we allow sin to become fully grown in us, we can die spiritually (James 1:14-16).

The heresy of trying to stay saved by self effort.
Do you have nothing else to offer?

And , you can't die spiritually, if you are born again.

However, there is the 2nd Death, that is reserved for Christ rejectors who die.
 

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And you cannot apply it to yourself if your righteousness isn't practical in the long run.
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Listen deceiver, we the born again, do not apply the Grace of God, nor do we keep it.
Its God who applies, redeems, and maintains, what HE created using the Blood of Christ.

Philippians 1:6

Your heresy is so Cross rejecting.
One day, this is going to find you.
 

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The heresy of trying to stay saved by self effort.
Do you have nothing else to offer?

And , you can't die spiritually, if you are born again.

However, there is the 2nd Death, that is reserved for Christ rejectors who die.

I just have to offer, what the Bible teaches.

Listen deceiver, we the born again, do not apply the Grace of God, nor do we keep it.
Its God who applies, redeems, and maintains, what HE created using the Blood of Christ.

Philippians 1:6

Your heresy is so Cross rejecting.
One day, this is going to find you.

1) In calling me a deceiver you have three fingers pointing back at you (Matthew 7:1-5, Luke 6:41-42). And I can prove it. You deny that the Christian has indwelling sin; and therefore you deceive yourself and the truth is not in you (1 John 1:8).

2) Yes, God applies His grace to the born again believer; however, sometimes people who do not have grace will falsely apply to themselves the doctrines about grace, when they are not really recipients of grace. Therefore they walk in a false hope in which they think that they cannot be "unsaved" over wicked behaviour....not even realizing that they were never saved to begin with; and that their wicked behaviour identifies them as being unsaved. It should be clear that if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new (2 Corinthians 5:17 (kjv)).

3) If I am truly espousing cross-rejecting theology, and it is going to find me out some day; what you need to understand is that if the Bible corrects me in my theology I will be corrected and will change my point of view.
 

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And , you can't die spiritually, if you are born again.
That is actually true (John 11:25-27); and what this means is that if anyone is genuinely born again of the Holy Spirit, they will never allow sin to become fully grown in their life (James 1:14-16).
 

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what you need to understand is that if the Bible corrects me in my theology I will be corrected and will change my point of view.

Really?

Then try this.
Yesterday you said that the bible is just a "book", its not THE Authority.
So, its not going to correct you, as you would have to hold it in your heart as THE Final Authority, which you don't.
Do you want to now come and LIE and say that the bible is your final authority?
You should probably not try that, as you are already in way too deep.
And, FYI, i'll tell you again..... the bible that you say is just a "book", is not going to correct you.
But something will.
 

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Lets look at Salvation.

Salvation is to BE saved.
Salvation is to be "One with God and Christ", joined spiritually.
The proof you are, is not your water baptism or your church membership.
But rather its to become "ONE with God, and Christ'.
Salvation, is to exits IN God and God in you.
"Christ IN YOU< THE Hope......of Glory".

To be that, is a ETERNAL situation.
Eternal life, is not temporary, and once you have become a part of God, you have the Life that is eternal.
Jesus is eternal life and be being "in Christ", you have eternal life.

God does not partly save, and God does not require you to maintain your salvation.
Now, your discipleship, is yours to supply, but salvation is God's to Give.
You can no more keep yourself saved then you can be the blood of Jesus.
You can no more stop being saved, then you can stop being born.
Imagine the ignorance of being on a forum trying to prove you can stop being born.
Imagine telling your mother that you have no more desire to be born, no more faith to be here, and so, you are no longer born.
What would she think? Would she think you have lost your sanity?
So, imagine what God thinks when some try to prove they can stop being born again.
Don't be that deceived one.

Now, lets talk about HOW you went from being lost sinner to : saved Saint.
How you went from lost and alone in this world, to being a heir of God, and a Joint heir with Christ. How you went from Hell bound to Heaven's eternal child.

It happened like this..

God had to resolve your sin issue for you, as its your sin that had stopped all relationship between you and God.
Had you gone to hell, it would not have been because you are bad, but because you were not restored to relationship with God before you died.. See, all the people who went to hell today, and are now scheduled who final judgement.. Revelation 20:11.... are not God's Family.
They belong to the devil. He is their Father. So, the born again end up with their Father in eternity, and the rest end up with their Father in the lake of Fire.
So, God came here, to provide you with the only means to be restored back into His Eternal life, which is His family.
To do that, God had to make you as righteous as He is in a way that keeps you the same.
See, if the righteousness He gave you could be stopped, then its no good.
But because the "gift of righteousness" is not related to your behavior and is always unchanging, you exist always as "the righteousness of God, in Christ".

God had to make you as sinless as He is to save you.....and the only means to do this is for God to offer His own Blood for you.
Jesus is God.
And when Jesus shed His blood, He is shedding God's blood for you.
And there is POWER in this Holy Blood. There is Eternal LIFE in this Holy Blood. There is forgiveness for all sin of the world, in this Holy blood. If this blood has touched you, then you are CLEAN forever, redeemed forever, forgiven for all eternity.
God's blood is not a partial or temporary resolution, it its in fact THE Eternal redemption supplied for you, as "the Gift of Salvation".

God's blood is not a partial payment or a temporary solution and knowing this is to understand the Grace of God.
God's blood shed for you is why God accepts you, and no other reason need apply.
See, God never accepts you based on you. He never takes you based on you.
God never keeps you based on you..
Its only God's BLOOD that God accepts to accepts you, and nothing else.
Unless God's blood has made you acceptable, then you are hell bound.
Never think that after you are saved, you then can do anything that will cause God to keep you, as if you think this, you have fallen from Grace and become a self saving fool.
There is no self saving. There is no keeping salvation based on YOURSELF.
There is on the Gift of God , that is God's blood that made you righteous, and keeps you righteous.

Jesus is God's Blood being shed, so if you have Jesus in you, then you have God's blood shed for you.
Final Answer, and all others are HERESY created by the DEVIL.

Finally...
Why does God accept you, based on His Blood?
Its because His blood so cleanses you, so perfects you, so sanctifies you, and so redeems you, that the eternal effect of it, is that you are "made righteous", forever.
IN other words, when God as Christ on the Cross became you sin, you became Christ's very righteousness.
When you were born again, ...not just water baptized, but, BORN AGAIN, .. then God's very righteousness became who you are, right now, and forever more.
That is the eternal effect, of, "the Gift of Salvation". which is the "Gift of Righteousness".

Saint...
God gave you for free, = the GIFT of becoming as Righteous as He is, and remaining so throughout eternity.
This is "the GIFT of Salvation".
This cost you nothing but your faith in Christ, while it Cost God His Son and His own Blood.

Hallelujah.
Great is the Lamb who was slain for us, and Great is the Lion who is alive and is coming back soon.
And NONE of that means you can't walk away from God!
 

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Yesterday you said that the bible is just a "book", its not THE Authority.

Use the quote feature and bring up my statement from where it is located where I have said that.

So, its not going to correct you, as you would have to hold it in your heart as THE Final Authority, which you don't.

Actually, I do.

Do you want to now come and LIE and say that the bible is your final authority?

That would not be a lie.
 

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Lets look at Salvation.

Salvation is to BE saved.
Salvation is to be "One with God and Christ", joined spiritually.
The proof you are, is not your water baptism or your church membership.
But rather its to become "ONE with God, and Christ'.
Salvation, is to exits IN God and God in you.
"Christ IN YOU< THE Hope......of Glory".

To be that, is a ETERNAL situation.
Eternal life, is not temporary, and once you have become a part of God, you have the Life that is eternal.
Jesus is eternal life and be being "in Christ", you have eternal life.

God does not partly save, and God does not require you to maintain your salvation.
Now, your discipleship, is yours to supply, but salvation is God's to Give.
You can no more keep yourself saved then you can be the blood of Jesus.
You can no more stop being saved, then you can stop being born.
Imagine the ignorance of being on a forum trying to prove you can stop being born.
Imagine telling your mother that you have no more desire to be born, no more faith to be here, and so, you are no longer born.
What would she think? Would she think you have lost your sanity?
So, imagine what God thinks when some try to prove they can stop being born again.
Don't be that deceived one.

Now, lets talk about HOW you went from being lost sinner to : saved Saint.
How you went from lost and alone in this world, to being a heir of God, and a Joint heir with Christ. How you went from Hell bound to Heaven's eternal child.

It happened like this..

God had to resolve your sin issue for you, as its your sin that had stopped all relationship between you and God.
Had you gone to hell, it would not have been because you are bad, but because you were not restored to relationship with God before you died.. See, all the people who went to hell today, and are now scheduled who final judgement.. Revelation 20:11.... are not God's Family.
They belong to the devil. He is their Father. So, the born again end up with their Father in eternity, and the rest end up with their Father in the lake of Fire.
So, God came here, to provide you with the only means to be restored back into His Eternal life, which is His family.
To do that, God had to make you as righteous as He is in a way that keeps you the same.
See, if the righteousness He gave you could be stopped, then its no good.
But because the "gift of righteousness" is not related to your behavior and is always unchanging, you exist always as "the righteousness of God, in Christ".

God had to make you as sinless as He is to save you.....and the only means to do this is for God to offer His own Blood for you.
Jesus is God.
And when Jesus shed His blood, He is shedding God's blood for you.
And there is POWER in this Holy Blood. There is Eternal LIFE in this Holy Blood. There is forgiveness for all sin of the world, in this Holy blood. If this blood has touched you, then you are CLEAN forever, redeemed forever, forgiven for all eternity.
God's blood is not a partial or temporary resolution, it its in fact THE Eternal redemption supplied for you, as "the Gift of Salvation".

God's blood is not a partial payment or a temporary solution and knowing this is to understand the Grace of God.
God's blood shed for you is why God accepts you, and no other reason need apply.
See, God never accepts you based on you. He never takes you based on you.
God never keeps you based on you..
Its only God's BLOOD that God accepts to accepts you, and nothing else.
Unless God's blood has made you acceptable, then you are hell bound.
Never think that after you are saved, you then can do anything that will cause God to keep you, as if you think this, you have fallen from Grace and become a self saving fool.
There is no self saving. There is no keeping salvation based on YOURSELF.
There is on the Gift of God , that is God's blood that made you righteous, and keeps you righteous.

Jesus is God's Blood being shed, so if you have Jesus in you, then you have God's blood shed for you.
Final Answer, and all others are HERESY created by the DEVIL.

Finally...
Why does God accept you, based on His Blood?
Its because His blood so cleanses you, so perfects you, so sanctifies you, and so redeems you, that the eternal effect of it, is that you are "made righteous", forever.
IN other words, when God as Christ on the Cross became you sin, you became Christ's very righteousness.
When you were born again, ...not just water baptized, but, BORN AGAIN, .. then God's very righteousness became who you are, right now, and forever more.
That is the eternal effect, of, "the Gift of Salvation". which is the "Gift of Righteousness".

Saint...
God gave you for free, = the GIFT of becoming as Righteous as He is, and remaining so throughout eternity.
This is "the GIFT of Salvation".
This cost you nothing but your faith in Christ, while it Cost God His Son and His own Blood.

Hallelujah.
Great is the Lamb who was slain for us, and Great is the Lion who is alive and is coming back soon.

All those words and not a single quote from scripture.
 

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The merits of His blood are applied to souls in baptism and the sacraments in the church as members of Christ

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

1 pet 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

1 Peter 1:22
Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: see Ez 36
 

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Show me an OT prophecy of “faith alone”???

sacraments yes ez 36:25:27
Faith alone no