Satan and his demons are real beings/entities (with personalities) not abstract evil within unregenerate man

[Spiritual Israelite]

Cherubim are imaginary figures symbolizing guardians for God's holiness, protection and presence in Scripture. They are neither spirit of God nor spirit of evil. They show God as guardian over the tree of life in the garden of Eden, they depict God's presence in the Tabernacle and Temple, in Ezekiel's vision (1:5-11) they show a connection to the glory of God and His divine presence, their symbolic presence in the Revelation show them as "living creatures" around God's throne continually praising God reinforcing God's holiness and majesty.

God bestowed these attributes upon king Tyrus when choosing him to be king. Through pride and arrogance of heart Tyrus turned all the good things from God into evil. This is why the lamentation is directed to king Tyrus. His heart was lifted up when he saw himself as being a god, perhaps the Creator Himself.

Ezekiel 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

So, you are saying that you think the human king of Tyre was called an imaginary cherub figure? Huh? How could an imaginary figure be a guardian of the holy mountain of God? You are not making any sense at all.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Both WPM and SI will never reply to what is actually said.

That is a lie! You should be ashamed of yourself for blatantly lying on a Christian forum.

Instead, they put their spin on replies they don't like, and twist what is said to make it appear you & I believe that Satan doesn't exist. They've both shown themselves unworthy of the truth.

You obviously have no understanding of the truth when it comes to this topic. Absolutely none. Look at what he said. The problem here is your horrible reading comprehension skills. He said that Satan "is a spirit of a depraved man". He denies that Satan is an evil spirit being who exists separately from man. That is false and that is what WPM and I have argued against. But, here you are foolishly lying and saying we don't reply to what is actually said. Yes, we do! Stop your wicked lies.

This is very well thought out and reasoned TS! Though I fear it is falling on mostly death ears. For SI & WPM to admit the truth that Satan was never created an angel of God who became evil Satan, they would have to accept they have been deceived and are now clinging to and promoting deception.

TribulationSigns denies that the evil spirit being named Satan was created at all! Why do you have nothing to say about that? Apparently, only because your reading comprehension skills are so horrible that you can't even tell that is what he believes. He explicitly said that Satan is a spirit of depraved man rather than being a separate non-human spirit being and you continue to praise his false teaching! You are completely lacking in discernment and reading comprehension skills when it comes to this topic. You need to ask God for wisdom so that you stop believing falsehood (James 1:5-7) and stop fallowing false teachers like TribulationSigns to pull the wool over your eyes.

I pray you will remain strong in the faith and continue to share the spiritual understanding that God has gifted you with. Thank you - rwb

LOL. You have completely lost it. You are complimenting someone who has so little discernment that he denies the existence of evil spirit beings and the existence of angels! You should be embarrassed.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Eden was never the heavenly paradise of God. This is taught nowhere. It was the earthly abode of Adam and Eve. You invent such malarkey to support your heretical teaching. You have zero proof.

I never would have imagined in the past that rwb is a blatant liar who unashamedly makes up lies and promotes them as if they are taught in scripture, but here we are. That is exactly what he is.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

What is next?" Is Jesus real? Is God real? Is the cross real? Is the resurrection real?

This is not a new battle. It is an ancient one:

Act 23:8 For the Sadducees say that there is no resurrection, neither angel, nor spirit: but the Pharisees confess both.

Matt 16:6 Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.

You are in horrible company. I trust God has mercy upon you both.

This is just beyond unbelievable. Saying cherubim are imaginary figures? So, he thinks the king of Tyre, described as an anointed cherub, is an imaginary figure then? What in the world?! This is just utterly ridiculous and completely unreal.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Once again I can see this discussion brings no glory to God!

Your lies bring shame to God. You need to repent.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You don't get to the core of discussions by showing yourself to be arrogant and rude (((LOL)))! My desire in these discussions is first and foremost to bring honor to God, not to be drawn into tit for tat.

If that is true then you are failing miserably! You falsely claim that WPM and I do not address what is actually said, which is utterly ridiculous. Don't blame us because you sometimes don't even understand what is said because of your terrible reading comprehension skills. You apparently don't even understand half of what TribulationSigns says. You can't even discern that he doesn't believe in the existence of an evil non-human spirit being named Satan. He says Satan is the spirit of depraved man. You don't agree with that. You agree with me that Satan is an evil non-human spirit being, but you disagree that he was created very good and fell and became evil.

Consider why God had this lamentation directed to the king of Tyrus who reigned over Tyre written down for us. These things are written that we might learn from what has been, that we don't fall into the same bad judgment through pride.

The city called Tyre was of old even before Tyrus became king a prominent faithful city, blessed by God. Renowned for its wealth, trade, craftsmanship, particularly in producing purple dye. The city had a crucial role in the commerce of the ancient world, the hub for trade and cultural exchange. But it was through this prosperity that king Tyrus led the city into idolatry and pride. That's why God sent prophets that they might remember the One true God, and if not the wrath of God would come against them.

Ezekiel condemns the city and king of Tyrus for its arrogance and predicts its destruction for having in pride turned away from God. The King of Tyre is said to have been in the Garden of Eden (Ezekiel 28:13). The actual reigning king of Tyre could not have been in the Garden of Eden. Yes, this section is poetic prose and not be confused with the physical Garden of Eden of A&E from the beginning.

LOL! Poetic prose? LOL! Look at how you are twisting the text! You have no shame. And you say you're trying to honor God in this discussion? How does twisting God's word honor Him? To get around what Ezekiel 28 clearly indicates, you say that cherubim are imaginary figures and that it's not saying the king of Tyre was literally in the garden of Eden. What a joke! You are so clearly changing the text to make it say what you want it to say! How can you think you are honoring God by doing that?

Rather, I believe this is a depiction of the garden that in the Revelation is called Paradise of God in heaven where the tree of life (Christ) is found.

Revelation 2:7 (KJV) He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

At one time this arrogant, pride filled king had been called by God to reign over this great, and prosperous city because spiritually speaking the king's heart was one with God, spiritually being sustained by the tree of life. God blessed the king and the city as long as they were faithful unto God.

I could go on explaining, but you and SI have a habit of never addressing what is actually said.

That is an absolute lie! When we do address what is actually said, you just whine about it and don't address our argument specifically. And you twist the scriptures to get around our arguments that are based on those scriptures.

Therefore, once again, I feel it is in vain to I speak any more to you regarding this lamentation, or of angels and Satan, it's clear that it is cause for you to become provoked and hostile toward other Christians and I would rather not be a party to doing that.

Yes, you would rather just lie about WPM and me and twist scripture instead of acknowledging that you are believing falsehood, admitting it and adjusting your beliefs accordingly.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

True! Biblical Fact!

What do you know about biblical facts? Very little!

You clearly did not read well what I said. I NEVER deny the existence of "a spirit named Satan." Satan "IS" a spirit. Get it? What you fail to understand or accept is that he "IS" a spirit of depraved man. As we ALL were before we were born again, Selah! He is NOT a "created being" in heaven as "angel" to begin with as I can tell that you has been brainwashed by Sunday School as I were!

Hello? Is anyone in there? If you actually read what I say instead of what you imagine I said, you would clearly see that what I have said is that you don't believe in the existence of an evil non-human spirit being named Satan. That is true! You've made that clear. Instead, you believe Satan is "a spirit of depraved man". That is completely different than believing he is an evil, non-human spirit being who exists apart from humans and tries to deceive humans in various ways.

Do you realize that the word, "Demon" or "Demons" are not found in KJV Bible?

LOL! Who cares?! Get serious. If you want to call them devils instead, go right ahead. This is MEANINGLESS! Whether you call them devils or demons, they are evil spirit beings who are capable of possessing humans or even animals like in the case when they left the demon-possessed man and went into the swine. You say they represent spirits of depraved man, but if that was the case how can they possess animals? LOL. So stupid. You believe utter FOOLISHNESS! I do NOT take you seriously! AT ALL.

Only the faulty new translations do that.

LOL at "faulty new translations". As if the KJV is a perfect translation. The New Testament was not written in King James English, it was written in Greek. So, whether the Greek word is translated as "devil" or as "demon" makes no difference. But, leave it to you to make a mountain out of a mole hill for no reason at all.

God considered them as devil or devils - which refers to MEN with spirit of Disobedience. They are the devils!

LOL! More FOOLISHNESS! No, devils are not men! Do men possess other men? Did Jesus cast out men from men? Is Beelzebub/Satan the prince of the men? LOL! Stop your NONSENSE!

Matthew 12:22 Then was brought unto him one possessed with a devil, blind, and dumb: and he healed him, insomuch that the blind and dumb both spake and saw. 23 And all the people were amazed, and said, Is not this the son of David? 24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.

...You really have to learn to be more calm and careful in your studies.

It's because I'm careful in my studies that I recognize how reckless you are in yours. You believe MUCH false teaching and it's sad to witness. You are DUPED.

He does exist. Satan is an evil spirit of man. It is their spirit of disobedience. Not an independent entities.

@rwb Look at what he said here. He said "Satan is an evil spirit of man" and that Satan is "their spirit of disobedience" and he says Satan is not an independent entity. Unless you have changed your mind recently, you do not agree with any of that. So, why do you continue to support this false teacher?

Read the article. If you receive the love the Truth.

What are Cherubim?

I have a rule of not looking at videos or links to outside sources when I'm on this site. That's not what I'm here to do. If you want to summarize what is said there, feel free. Do you claim that cherubim are human beings?

 

[WPM]

This is just beyond unbelievable. Saying cherubim are imaginary figures? So, he thinks the king of Tyre, described as an anointed cherub, is an imaginary figure then? What in the world?! This is just utterly ridiculous and completely unreal.

Agreed! Talk about a delusional theory! Talk about utter nonsense!

 

[WPM]

Both WPM and SI will never reply to what is actually said. Instead, they put their spin on replies they don't like, and twist what is said to make it appear you & I believe that Satan doesn't exist. They've both shown themselves unworthy of the truth.



This is very well thought out and reasoned TS! Though I fear it is falling on mostly death ears. For SI & WPM to admit the truth that Satan was never created an angel of God who became evil Satan, they would have to accept they have been deceived and are now clinging to and promoting deception. I pray you will remain strong in the faith and continue to share the spiritual understanding that God has gifted you with. Thank you - rwb

LOL. More projection! More lies! When TS comes on the scene your mask falls and you reveal your true self.

Stop running from Scripture. You cannot address post after post, argument after argument, and Scripture after Scripture. You would make a good Pretribber!!!

 

[WPM]

The city called Tyre was of old even before Tyrus became king a prominent faithful city, blessed by God. Renowned for its wealth, trade, craftsmanship, particularly in producing purple dye. The city had a crucial role in the commerce of the ancient world, the hub for trade and cultural exchange. But it was through this prosperity that king Tyrus led the city into idolatry and pride. That's why God sent prophets that they might remember the One true God, and if not the wrath of God would come against them.

LOL. Where do you come up with this? Where is this in Scripture? Where is your evidence.

Tyre was a heathen city given over to idolatry. It was under the judgment of God. Where does it say that "the city called Tyre was of old even before Tyrus" a "faithful city, blessed by God"?

 

[WPM]

What do you know about biblical facts? Very little!


Hello? Is anyone in there? If you actually read what I say instead of what you imagine I said, you would clearly see that what I have said is that you don't believe in the existence of an evil non-human spirit being named Satan. That is true! You've made that clear. Instead, you believe Satan is "a spirit of depraved man". That is completely different than believing he is an evil, non-human spirit being who exists apart from humans and tries to deceive humans in various ways.


LOL! Who cares?! Get serious. If you want to call them devils instead, go right ahead. This is MEANINGLESS! Whether you call them devils or demons, they are evil spirit beings who are capable of possessing humans or even animals like in the case when they left the demon-possessed man and went into the swine. You say they represent spirits of depraved man, but if that was the case how can they possess animals? LOL. So stupid. You believe utter FOOLISHNESS! I do NOT take you seriously! AT ALL.


LOL at "faulty new translations". As if the KJV is a perfect translation. The New Testament was not written in King James English, it was written in Greek. So, whether the Greek word is translated as "devil" or as "demon" makes no difference. But, leave it to you to make a mountain out of a mole hill for no reason at all.


LOL! More FOOLISHNESS! No, devils are not men! Do men possess other men? Did Jesus cast out men from men? Is Beelzebub/Satan the prince of the men? LOL! Stop your NONSENSE!

Matthew 12:22 Then was brought unto him one possessed with a devil, blind, and dumb: and he healed him, insomuch that the blind and dumb both spake and saw. 23 And all the people were amazed, and said, Is not this the son of David? 24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.


It's because I'm careful in my studies that I recognize how reckless you are in yours. You believe MUCH false teaching and it's sad to witness. You are DUPED.


@rwb Look at what he said here. He said "Satan is an evil spirit of man" and that Satan is "their spirit of disobedience" and he says Satan is not an independent entity. Unless you have changed your mind recently, you do not agree with any of that. So, why do you continue to support this false teacher?


I have a rule of not looking at videos or links to outside sources when I'm on this site. That's not what I'm here to do. If you want to summarize what is said there, feel free. Do you claim that cherubim are human beings?

They make it up as they go. They run amok their own imaginations. Premil Randy has done this for years. When you disagree with his fiction he turns vicious.

 

[WPM]

Once again I can see this discussion brings no glory to God!

What is next?" Is Jesus real? Is God real? Is the cross real? Is the resurrection real?

This is not a new battle. It is an ancient one:

Act 23:8 For the Sadducees say that there is no resurrection, neither angel, nor spirit: but the Pharisees confess both.

Matt 16:6 Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.

You are in horrible company. I trust God has mercy upon you both.

 

[WPM]

Angels of God are never fallen demons, devils or Satan or any other unclean evil!

They are sent by God to be ministering spirits to heirs of salvation and do the good pleasure of God.

This is simply not true. The Scriptures you present are only describing "the elect angels." We all agree with that.

1Ti 5:21 I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou observe these things without preferring one before another, doing nothing by partiality.

But not all angels are elect. You totally avoid the passages that describe “evil angels. Many angels sided with Satan and fell.

Psa 78:49 He cast upon them the fierceness of his anger, wrath, and indignation, and trouble, by sending evil angels among them.

Here you have another group of “angels” that are definitely not “elect.” They are “evil.”

Jud 1:6 “And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.”

2 Peter 2:4 closely correlates: “God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell [Gr. tartaroo], and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment.”

Hello! These wicked angels are expressly describing "the angels which kept not their first estate" or "the angels that sinned" at the beginning and therefore fell. These are definitely not "elect angels."

Ezekiel 28:12-19: “Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty. Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee. Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee. All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.”

Cherubims are angels, not humans. Here is an angel that is going to be destroyed. This is describing Satan.

Exo 37:9 And the cherubims spread out their wings on high, and covered with their wings over the mercy seat, with their faces one to another; even to the mercy seatward were the faces of the cherubims.

Revelation 12:1-4 shows Satan and his devils being eternally evicted from heaven. Interestingly the demonic angels are depicted as “stars.” It reads: “And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon ... And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth.”

In Revelation 12:4, 1/3 of the angels sided with Satan in his rebellion. They sided with him when he fell, and are part of the kingdom of darkness.

Job 38:6-7 tells us, speaking about the beginning of time, “Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?”

Revelation 9:1 says: “I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the abyss.”

It seems correct to view the flying star in view here as an elect angel. Remember, the key or authority no longer belongs to Satan. He was defeated. Christ and His angels exercise that now within the invisible realm. We exercise it upon the earth.

It is clear that stars are used by John in Revelation as symbols of angels. A falling star is a common easily-recognized natural symbol that is used in a spiritual way here to describe an elect angel descending from heaven before the end of time to open the pit to release Satan and his demons from their restraint in order to restrict the great commission.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Also...Guys...the only thing untenable is that the Cherubim are figures of angels.
...imaginary Chubby little winged kids, notwithstanding.

Malachi 4:2

• "But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall."

Same word "wings" as we see in the image of the Cherubim. Because they're NOT a physical description of Christ, they represent an aspect of His Glory. Christ didn't come to earth flying with wings to heal, and thus this passage in Malachi has to be understood in the light of the whole Bible. It is no picture of Christ, no violation of the second commandment. Because Christ doesn't have wings. It is a parabolic image or likeness depicting some aspect of the "Glory of God" in His magnificent redemption plan. So no, it's not untenable that the Bible can speak of the Glory of God with cryptic imagery of Wings, Ox or Lion. It is untenable that Golden Angels were the furniture covering the Mercy seat, had wings outstretched over it, or were where Glory of God came to sit between them to dwell with men. What is untenable to the circumspect exegete, is that the furniture of the Tabernacle pointed to Angels and not Christ.

 

[rwb]

LOL. Where do you come up with this? Where is this in Scripture? Where is your evidence.

Tyre was a heathen city given over to idolatry. It was under the judgment of God. Where does it say that "the city called Tyre was of old even before Tyrus" a "faithful city, blessed by God"?

It wasn't always, because they could not have been the city of greatness they had become if not from the providence of God. It was through the wealth of Tyre that David accumulated materials and Solomon built the Holy Temple of God. Saying they were once faithful to God in the sense that they formed this alliance with Israel through Him.

Heavenly Father, we acknowledge that all we have comes from You. Help us to see the fleeting nature of material wealth as we remember the fall of this city you made great and to place our trust in You alone. Guard us against pride and the false security that comes from earthly riches. Teach us to live humbly and to recognize the far-reaching impact of our actions. May our lives reflect Your glory and bring lasting blessings to those around us. In Jesus’ name, Amen.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Also...Guys...the only thing untenable is that the Cherubim are figures of angels.
...imaginary Chubby little winged kids, notwithstanding.

Malachi 4:2

• "But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall."

Same word "wings" as we see in the image of the Cherubim. Because they're NOT a physical description of Christ, they represent an aspect of His Glory. Christ didn't come to earth flying with wings to heal, and thus this passage in Malachi has to be understood in the light of the whole Bible. It is no picture of Christ, no violation of the second commandment. Because Christ doesn't have wings. It is a parabolic image or likeness depicting some aspect of the "Glory of God" in His magnificent redemption plan. So no, it's not untenable that the Bible can speak of the Glory of God with cryptic imagery of Wings, Ox or Lion. It is untenable that Golden Angels were the furniture covering the Mercy seat, had wings outstretched over it, or were where Glory of God came to sit between them to dwell with men. What is untenable to the circumspect exegete, is that the furniture of the Tabernacle pointed to Angels and not Christ.

So, is your argument that Ezekiel 28:12-19, which describes an anointed cherub who was created perfect in all his ways and protects the holy mountain of God, does not describe an actual living human or angel king of Tyre, but instead describes an aspect of the glory of God? How could an aspect of the glory of God have become proud on account of its beauty and sin against God and be thrown to the earth?

 

[WPM]

OP Note

Please note how #rwb and #TribulationSigns are incapable of addressing any the biblical counter arguments on this thread. That is because they are articulating their own fanciful private theories.

rwb said:

Cherubim are imaginary figures symbolizing guardians for God's holiness,

To Then, Satan is not real, demons are not real, angels are not real. What is next?" Is Jesus real? Is God real? Is the cross real? Is the resurrection real?

This is not a new battle. It is an ancient one:

Act 23:8 For the Sadducees say that there is no resurrection, neither angel, nor spirit: but the Pharisees confess both.

Matt 16:6 Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.

They are in horrible company.

 

[WPM]

It wasn't always, because they could not have been the city of greatness they had become if not from the providence of God. It was through the wealth of Tyre that David accumulated materials and Solomon built the Holy Temple of God. Saying they were once faithful to God in the sense that they formed this alliance with Israel through Him.

Heavenly Father, we acknowledge that all we have comes from You. Help us to see the fleeting nature of material wealth as we remember the fall of this city you made great and to place our trust in You alone. Guard us against pride and the false security that comes from earthly riches. Teach us to live humbly and to recognize the far-reaching impact of our actions. May our lives reflect Your glory and bring lasting blessings to those around us. In Jesus’ name, Amen.

That is not what you said before. You are moving the goalposts again. You said:

The city called Tyre was of old even before Tyrus became king a prominent faithful city, blessed by God.

Where is your biblical evidence of this? It seems like you are making your beliefs up on the hoof.

 

[rwb]

That is not what you said before. You are moving the goalposts again. You said:



Where is your biblical evidence of this? It seems like you are making your beliefs up on the hoof.

You clearly don't know the history of Tyre! God used this city assuring its prosperity, wealth and beauty that the Holy Temple through the abundant materials King Hiram possessed and gave to support King David, that Solomon would be well equipped to build the Holy Temple. Including the place where God met and spoke to chosen people, where the cherubim were placed over the mercy seat, symbolizing the presence of God being with and among His people.

READ Eze 27 of all the artisans and craftsmen, along with its perfect beauty, the cedars, along with the multitude of all kind of riches; with silver, iron, tin, and lead. Read also of the many merchants and inhabitants of the isles around them becoming rich through their abundance. If the King of Tyre had remained faithful and given glory to God they might have remained forever. But in arrogance greed filled with pride the city was brought down because the king made himself a god and assumed credit for all these great riches were through them and not through the providence of God.

In the same way God had lifted up Pharoh in Egypt that His name would be known and gloried in all the earth. That through Tyre the Temple in Jerusalem would be built. Read the account of King Hiram with King David, and Solomon if you doubt the city of Tyre was not faithful to give of its abundance to honor God that the nation would build the Holy Temple unto God. The king of Tyre knew King David, and Solomon were acquiring these materials that the Holy Temple of God in glory and honor to Him that would be known throughout the earth.

But you don't see the lamentation pertaining to the apostate king of Tyre, you think the lamentation is referring to Satan who you mistakenly believe was created an angel of God who became the epitome of evil!

 

[rwb]

OP Note

Please note how #rwb and #TribulationSigns are incapable of addressing any the biblical counter arguments on this thread. That is because they are articulating their own fanciful private theories.

rwb said:



To Then, Satan is not real, demons are not real, angels are not real. What is next?" Is Jesus real? Is God real? Is the cross real? Is the resurrection real?

This is not a new battle. It is an ancient one:

Act 23:8 For the Sadducees say that there is no resurrection, neither angel, nor spirit: but the Pharisees confess both.

Matt 16:6 Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.

They are in horrible company.

Prove cherubim are angels or an angel of God from the Word of God! You would do well if you begin with how 'cherub' is defined from the Hebrew language. There is not a single verse in Scripture that applies this definition to an angel or messenger of God. I did however find where Cherub is reference to a place in Babylon, i.e. a city!

Strong's Hebrew Dictionary
3742. כְּרוּב keruwb (kᵉrûwb)
Search for H3742 in KJVSL; in KJV; load in ESI.

כְּרוּב kᵉrûwb, ker-oob'

of uncertain derivation; a cherub or imaginary figure:—cherub, (plural) cherubims.

masculine noun


Strong's Hebrew Dictionary
3743. כְּרוּב Keruwb (Kᵉrûwb)
Search for H3743 in KJVSL; in KJV; load in ESI.

כְּרוּב Kᵉrûwb, ker-oob'

the same as H3742; Kerub, a place in Babylon:—Cherub.

proper locative noun