Saved By Grace Through FAITH ...

[kcnalp]

Ephesians 2
[8] For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
[9] Not of works, lest any man should boast.
[10] For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Which fits perfectly with:

James 2:24 (NKJV)
24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You have a point. I think Satan's soul purpose is to keep people away from Christ. If He cannot, then he tries distort their beliefs. If people who live by the Law will be judged by the Law, then at least he accomplished that -he corrupted their path to God, deprived them of salvation - maybe? I think those who are non-trinitarians have received these lies from Satan as well.
We are taught in the Parable of the Sower that not all seed is planted in fertile soil and so does not grow deep roots and mature to produce fruit.
Also, as someone else mentioned, faith is a trust in God to deliver His promises. So those who do not believe OSAS don't have this trust.

I rather think of it those who do not believe eternal life is eternal, other than that I agree, to me osas is a bad word,

legalism and licentiousness are satans victories, both steeped in pride and bother who will not allow a person to meet Christ or even see him

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Which fits perfectly with:

James 2:24 (NKJV)
24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.

"Wasn’t our ancestor Abraham 'made right with God by works' when he placed his son Isaac on the sacrificial altar? Isn’t it obvious that faith and works are yoked partners, that faith expresses itself in works? That the works are “works of faith”? The full meaning of “believe” in the Scripture sentence, “Abraham believed God and was set right with God,” includes his action. It’s that weave of believing and acting that got Abraham named “God’s friend.” Is it not evident that a person is made right with God not by a barren faith but by faith fruitful in works?" MSG

 

[kcnalp]

"Wasn’t our ancestor Abraham 'made right with God by works' when he placed his son Isaac on the sacrificial altar? Isn’t it obvious that faith and works are yoked partners, that faith expresses itself in works? That the works are “works of faith”? The full meaning of “believe” in the Scripture sentence, “Abraham believed God and was set right with God,” includes his action. It’s that weave of believing and acting that got Abraham named “God’s friend.” Is it not evident that a person is made right with God not by a barren faith but by faith fruitful in works?" MSG

I think we agree. lol

 

[Eternally Grateful]

"Wasn’t our ancestor Abraham 'made right with God by works' when he placed his son Isaac on the sacrificial altar? Isn’t it obvious that faith and works are yoked partners, that faith expresses itself in works? That the works are “works of faith”? The full meaning of “believe” in the Scripture sentence, “Abraham believed God and was set right with God,” includes his action. It’s that weave of believing and acting that got Abraham named “God’s friend.” Is it not evident that a person is made right with God not by a barren faith but by faith fruitful in works?" MSG

Abraham was declared righteous when he believed god many Many years before he offered up his son.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Abraham was declared righteous when he believed god many Many years before he offered up his son.

That was just an amplified version of James 2:24.
This goes hand in hand with "By their fruit you will know them!" A mature Christian produces fruit, good deeds, is obedient.
Let's switch fruit with the word faith: By their faith you will know them. Ummm ... Not really recognizable until they demonstrate their faith. You can meet them for the first time and they claim they have faith and then leave without demonstrating it, expressing it in any way. How would you know if that was real faith until you saw or heard some evidence of it? A friend could then tell you of this person, who they were, what they've done, missions, charities, preaching or whatever, then you would know, their faithful works.

 

[mailmandan]

James 2:21, notice closely that James does not say that Abraham's work of offering up Isaac resulted in God accounting Abraham as righteous. The accounting of Abraham's faith as righteousness was made in Genesis 15:6, many years before his work of offering up Isaac recorded in Genesis 22. The work of Abraham did not have some kind of intrinsic merit to account him as righteous, but it showed or manifested the genuineness of his faith. This is the "sense" in which Abraham was "justified by works." He was “shown to be righteous."

In James 2:24, James is not using the word "justified" here to mean "accounted as righteous" but is "shown to be righteous." James is discussing the evidence of faith (says-claims to have faith but has no works/I will show you my faith by my works - James 2:14-18) and not the initial act of being accounted as righteous with God. (Romans 4:2-3)

 

[Eternally Grateful]

That was just an amplified version of James 2:24.
This goes hand in hand with "By their fruit you will know them!" A mature Christian produces fruit, good deeds, is obedient.
Let's switch fruit with the word faith: By their faith you will know them. Ummm ... Not really recognizable until they demonstrate their faith. You can meet them for the first time and they claim they have faith and then leave without demonstrating it, expressing it in any way. How would you know if that was real faith until you saw or heard some evidence of it? A friend could then tell you of this person, who they were, what they've done, missions, charities, preaching or whatever, then you would know, their faithful works.

Yes, it james 4 does not contradict Romans 4. Where Paul was clear Abraham believed and it was credited to him as righteousness. That it was not of works.

james is speaking of those who claim to have faith they are hearers not doers, their faith is dead. No one was ever saved by works

Abraham in doing the works. (He did many as well as committed many sins) proved he had true saving faith when God declaired him righteous in Gen 15, many decades before james account.

 

[07-07-07]

At the end of the day, Jesus said that "he that endures to the end shall be saved". If we neglect this principle, we will not be saved.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

At the end of the day, Jesus said that "he that endures to the end shall be saved". If we neglect this principle, we will not be saved.

True faith perseveres through it all!
That is a message given in the Parable of the Sower. Those whose seed was planted in shallow soil or rocky soil wither and die when tribulation comes. They don't produce fruit either.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

If you don't have Christian works you're not a Christian!

So to you works is what makes someone a Christian and not the new birth? that is sad and very legalistic.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

At the end of the day, Jesus said that "he that endures to the end shall be saved". If we neglect this principle, we will not be saved.

That was addressed for those saints in the tribulation and is not a soteriological command!

 

[07-07-07]

That was addressed for those saints in the tribulation and is not a soteriological command!

Read Revelation 2 and 3 again. Jesus teaches overcoming to the Saints.

 

[Enoch111]

At the end of the day, Jesus said that "he that endures to the end shall be saved". If we neglect this principle, we will not be saved.

We need to understand that saying of Christ in the light of all Gospel truth. The word saved can and does means "delivered" as well as "salvation". Eternal life is God's free gift to the one who believes. And the one who genuinely believes will keep on believing, since he is "kept by the power of God". Which also means that he will keep on enduring all the trials and tribulations promised to Christians (verses 9-12).

But in the context of Matthew 24:13, it could mean "delivered" from the judgment which came (and will come) upon Jerusalem and the world during the Tribulation and Great Tribulation.

 

[theefaith]

Amen! We are saved FOR good works and not by good works. (Ephesians 2:8-10) It is through faith "in Christ alone" (and not based on the merits of our works) that we are justified on account of Christ (Romans 3:24; 5:1; 5:9); yet the faith that justifies does not remain alone (unfruitful, barren) if it is genuine. (James 2:14-26)

how do you obtain mercy?


how does charity cover sins?
1 pet 4:8

why is all faith without charity avail nothing? 1 cor 13:2

 

[theefaith]

Quotes from
Martin Luther

"Now the article of justification, which is our sole defense, not only against all the force and craft of man, but also against the gates of Hades, is this: that by faith only in Christ, and without works, we are pronounced righteous and saved." LUTHER

"For the gospel does not expressly demand works of our own by which we become righteous and are saved; indeed it condemns such works. Rather the gospel demands faith in Christ: that He has overcome for us sin, death, and hell, and thus gives us righteousness, life, and salvation not through our works, but through His own works, death, and suffering, in order that we may avail ourselves of His death and victory as though we have done it ourselves." LUTHER

"We are not made righteous by doing righteous deeds; but when we have been made righteous we do righteous deeds." LUTHER

"To a believer no law is given by which he becomes righteous before God…because he is alive and righteous and saved by faith, and he needs nothing further except to prove his faith by works. Truly, if faith is there, he cannot hold back: he proves himself, breaks out into good works." LUTHER

"Our faith in Christ does not free us from works, but from the false opinions concerning works; that is, from the foolish presumption that justification is acquired through works." LUTHER

"It ought to be the primary goal of every Christian to put aside confidence in works and grow stronger in the belief that we are saved by faith alone. Through this faith the Christian should increase in knowledge not of works but of Christ Jesus and the benefits of his death and resurrection." LUTHER

* Not a debate, just for sharing and contemplation.

Quotes from
Martin Luther

"Now the article of justification, which is our sole defense, not only against all the force and craft of man, but also against the gates of Hades, is this: that by faith only in Christ, and without works, we are pronounced righteous and saved." LUTHER

"For the gospel does not expressly demand works of our own by which we become righteous and are saved; indeed it condemns such works. Rather the gospel demands faith in Christ: that He has overcome for us sin, death, and hell, and thus gives us righteousness, life, and salvation not through our works, but through His own works, death, and suffering, in order that we may avail ourselves of His death and victory as though we have done it ourselves." LUTHER

"We are not made righteous by doing righteous deeds; but when we have been made righteous we do righteous deeds." LUTHER

"To a believer no law is given by which he becomes righteous before God…because he is alive and righteous and saved by faith, and he needs nothing further except to prove his faith by works. Truly, if faith is there, he cannot hold back: he proves himself, breaks out into good works." LUTHER

"Our faith in Christ does not free us from works, but from the false opinions concerning works; that is, from the foolish presumption that justification is acquired through works." LUTHER

"It ought to be the primary goal of every Christian to put aside confidence in works and grow stronger in the belief that we are saved by faith alone. Through this faith the Christian should increase in knowledge not of works but of Christ Jesus and the benefits of his death and resurrection." LUTHER

* Not a debate, just for sharing and contemplation.

worthless are the words of an excommunicated heretic!

Luther demanded a council to addressing his ideas, and they condemned them all!

if anyone says a man may be justified by faith alone let him be anathema!

only faith and the sacraments are biblical
Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38

 

[mailmandan]

how do you obtain mercy?

how does charity cover sins?
1 pet 4:8

why is all faith without charity avail nothing? 1 cor 13:2

See Titus 3:5 on how we obtain mercy.

Jesus covered our sins in one way (Romans 4:7) by bringing forgiveness for all believers, yet sins can also be covered in a different way. In Proverbs 10:12, we read: Hatred stirs up strife, But love covers all sins. In 1 Peter 4:8, we read: And above all things have fervent love for one another, for "love will cover a multitude of sins."Where there is strife, there is hatred and unless love prevails, the strife will get worse.

Paul is using hyperbole in 1 Corinthians 13 to express the importance of love. After we have been saved through faith, love is the greatest quality of the three because God is love and long after the "evidence of things not seen" (Hebrews 11:1) are now seen and we are no longer looking for the "blessed hope" - (expectation of what is sure) and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ (Titus 2:13) because we are now in His presence, love will still be the principle that governs all that God and his saints are and do throughout eternity in the new heaven and new earth.

 

[theefaith]

See Titus 3:5 on how we obtain mercy.

Jesus covered our sins in one way (Romans 4:7) by bringing forgiveness for all believers, yet sins can also be covered in a different way. In Proverbs 10:12, we read: Hatred stirs up strife, But love covers all sins. In 1 Peter 4:8, we read: And above all things have fervent love for one another, for "love will cover a multitude of sins."Where there is strife, there is hatred and unless love prevails, the strife will get worse.

Paul is using hyperbole in 1 Corinthians 13 to express the importance of love. After we have been saved through faith, love is the greatest quality of the three because God is love and long after the "evidence of things not seen" (Hebrews 11:1) are now seen and we are no longer looking for the "blessed hope" - (expectation of what is sure) and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ (Titus 2:13) because we are now in His presence, love will still be the principle that governs all that God and his saints are and do throughout eternity in the new heaven and new earth.

titus 3:5 jn 3:5 are baptismal regeneration

1 cor 13 says faith alone avails nothing

blessed are the merciful they shall obtain mercy

 

[theefaith]

Letters to the churches rev
I know thy works
Why works? And not faith?
Why no beatitude of blessed are the faithful?
Or blessed are those saved by grace thru faith alone????????????

 

[mailmandan]

titus 3:5 jn 3:5 are baptismal regeneration

1 cor 13 says faith alone avails nothing

blessed are the merciful they shall obtain mercy

Neither Titus 3:5 or John 3:5 refer to baptismal regeneration, but to spiritual cleansing. See John (4:10,14: 7:37-39; 1 Corinthians 12:13).

Again, Paul is stressing the importance of love in 1 Corinthians 13 and is not teaching salvation by faith plus love/acts of charity/works.

Being merciful is descriptive of those who are born of God.