Saw this on the news, soda tax, debate?

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dev553344

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"They’re cloyingly sweet, nutritionally empty — and, increasingly, subject to taxation. More than 35 countries and seven cities in the US — starting with Berkeley, California, in 2015 — now impose a tax on soda and other sugar-sweetened beverages, and several more places are considering it." https://knowablemagazine.org/article/health-disease/2019/do-soda-taxes-work

They've long been taxing your alcohol and tobacco saying they have to recover the health system costs that will be incured when you get ill from consuming these products. But have they proven that these products will in fact injure the people that use them? I would argue that they cannot prove that you will be injured by consuming these products. Only that your chance of injury is increased. So in fact you could be simply paying the government for something that isn't your fault. Is that just? Or abuse of authority?
 

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"Heart disease is the leading cause of death for both men and women. This is the case in the U.S. and worldwide. More than half of all people who die due to heart disease are men. Medical professionals use the term heart disease to describe several conditions."

Next thing you know they'll be taxing us for stressing them out!
 
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What about diet soda? Tastes decently ok and no sugar. Diet soda taste has improved a lot.
I still remember cyclamates, tasted as good as sugar. They still use that outside of the US.
There was a flawed study claimed it caused cancer.
I talked with FDA rep about allowing it's use and he just LOL at me, said will never happen, sure....
FDA though refused to allow for sale even though it agrees does not cause cancer.
SOMEHOW it's politics at the FDA. And some of the approved non sugar sweeteners have more issues than cyclamates.

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In 1966, a study reported that some intestinal bacteria could desulfonate cyclamate to produce cyclohexylamine, a compound suspected to have some chronic toxicity in animals. Further research resulted in a 1969 study that found the common 10:1 cyclamate–saccharin mixture increased the incidence of bladder cancer in rats. The released study was showing that eight out of 240 rats fed a mixture of saccharin and cyclamates, at levels equivalent to humans ingesting 550 cans of diet soda per day, developed bladder tumors.[5]

Sales continued to expand, and in 1969, annual sales of cyclamate had reached $1 billion, which increased pressure from public safety watchdogs to restrict the usage of cyclamate. In October 1969, Department of Health, Education & Welfare Secretary Robert Finch, bypassing Food and Drug Administration Commissioner Herbert L. Ley, Jr., removed the GRAS designation from cyclamate and banned its use in general-purpose foods, though it remained available for restricted use in dietary products with additional labeling; in October 1970, the FDA, under a new commissioner, banned cyclamate completely from all food and drug products in the United States.[6]

Abbott Laboratories claimed that its own studies were unable to reproduce the 1969 study's results, and, in 1973, Abbott petitioned the FDA to lift the ban on cyclamate. This petition was eventually denied in 1980 by FDA Commissioner Jere Goyan.[7] Abbott Labs, together with the Calorie Control Council (a political lobby representing the diet foods industry), filed a second petition in 1982. Although the FDA has stated that a review of all available evidence does not implicate cyclamate as a carcinogen in mice or rats,[8] cyclamate remains banned from food products in the United States. The petition is now held in abeyance, though not actively considered.[9] It is unclear whether this is at the request of Abbott Labs or because the petition is considered to be insufficient by the FDA.
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Cyclamate is approved as a sweetener in at least 130 countries.[11] In the late 1960s, cyclamate was banned in the United Kingdom; however, it was approved after being re-evaluated by the European Union in 1996.[12]

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In the Philippines, cyclamate was banned until the Philippine Food and Drug Administration lifted the ban in 2013, declaring it safe for consumption.[13] Cyclamate remains banned in the United States and South Korea.[14][15][16][17]
 
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