"Let me explain the problem science has with Jesus Christ." The atheist professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then asks one of his new students to stand."You're a Christian, aren't you, son?" "Yes sir," the student says."So you believe in God?""Absolutely.""Is God good?""Sure! God's good.""Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?""Yes.""Are you good or evil?""The Bible says I'm evil."The professor grins knowingly. "Aha! The Bible!" He considers for a moment."Here's one for you. Let's say there's a sick person over here and you can cure him. You can do it. Would you help him? Would you try?""Yes sir, I would." "So you're good...!""I wouldn't say that.""But why not say that? You'd help a sick and maimed person if youcould. Most of us would if we could. But God doesn't." The student does not answer, so the professor continues. "He doesn't, does he? My brother was a Christian who died of cancer, even though he prayed to Jesus to heal him How is this Jesus good? Hmmm? Can you answer that one?"The student remains silent."No, you can't, can you?" the professor says. He takes a sip of water from a glass on his desk to give the student time to relax. "Let's start again, young fella Is God good?""Er...yes," the student says. "Is Satan good?"The student doesn't hesitate on this one. "No.""Then where does Satan come from?"The student: "From...God...""That's right. God made Satan, didn't he? Tell me, son. Is there evil in this world?""Yes, sir.""Evil's everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything, correct?" "Yes.""So who created evil?" The professor continued, "If God created everything, then God created evil, since evil exists, and according to the principle that our works define who we are, then God is evil."Without allowing the student to answer, the professor continues: "Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things, do they exist in this world?"The student: "Yes.""So who created them?"The student does not answer again, so the professor repeats his question. "Who created them?" There is still no answer. Suddenly the lecturer breaks away to pace in front of the classroom. The class is mesmerized."Tell me," he continues onto another student. "Do you believe in Jesus Christ, son?"The student's voice is confident: "Yes, professor, I do."The old man stops pacing. "Science says you have five senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Have you ever seen Jesus?""No sir. I've never seen Him""Then tell us if you've ever heard your Jesus?""No, sir, I have not.""Have you ever actually felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus or smelt your Jesus? Have you ever had any sensory perception of Jesus Christ, or God for that matter?""No, sir, I'm afraid I haven't.""Yet you still believe in him?""Yes.""According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your God doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?""Nothing," the student replies. "I only have my faith.""Yes, faith," the professor repeats. "And that is the problem science has with God. There is no evidence, only faith."The student stands quietly for a moment, before asking a questionof his own. "Professor, is there such thing as heat?""Yes," the professor replies. "There's heat.""And is there such a thing as cold?""Yes, son, there's cold too.""No sir, there isn't."The professor turns to face the student, obviously interested. The room suddenly becomes very quiet. The student begins to explain. "You can have lots of heat, even more heat, super-heat, mega-heat, unlimited heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat, but we don'thave anything called 'cold'. We can hit up to 458 degrees below zero, which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold; otherwise we would be able to go colder than the lowest -458 degrees. Every body or object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit energy. Absolute zero (-458 F) is the total absence of heat. You see, sir, cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat we can measure in thermal units becauseheat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it."Silence across the room. A pen drops somewhere in the classroom, sounding like a hammer."What about darkness, professor. Is there such a thing as darkness?""Yes," the professor replies without hesitation. "What is night if it isn't darkness?""You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is not something; it is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light, but if you have no light constantly you have nothing and it's called darkness, isn't it? That's the meaning we use to define the word. In reality, darkness isn't. If it were, you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you?"The professor begins to smile at the student in front of him and says, "This is going to be a good semester... So what point are you making, young man?""Yes, professor. My point is, your philosophical premise is flawed to start with, and so your conclusion must also be flawed."The professor's face cannot hide his surprise this time. "Flawed? Can you explain how?""You are working on the premise of duality," the student explains. "You argue that there is life and then there's death; a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never been seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life, just the absence of it.""Now tell me, professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?""If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young man, yes, of course I do""Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?"The professor begins to shake his head, still smiling, as he realizes where the argument is going. A very good semester, indeed."Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavour, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you now not a scientist, but a preacher?"The class is in uproar. The student remains silent until the commotion has subsided."To continue the point you were making earlier to the other student, let me give you an example of what I mean." The student looks around the room. "Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the professor's brain?" The class breaks out intolaughter. "Is there anyone here who has ever heard the professor's brain, felt the professor's brain, touched or smelled the professor's brain? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, with all due respect, sir. So if science says you have no brain, how can we trust your lectures, sir?"Now the room is silent. The professor just stares at the student, his face unreadable. Finally, after what seems an eternity, the old man answers. "Iguess you'll have to take them on faith.""Now, you accept that there is faith, and, in fact, faith exists with life," the student continues. "Now, sir, is there such a thing as evil?"Now uncertain, the professor responds, "Of course, there is. We see it everyday. It is in the daily example of man's inhumanity to man. It is in the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world. These manifestations are nothing else but evil."To this the student replied, "Evil does not exist sir, or at least it does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. Evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God's love present in his heart. It's like the cold that comes when there is no heat or the darkness that comes when there is no light."The professor sat down.
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This was just to Good I had to move it to main topic so everyone would catch it thanks Follewerofchrist
Thanks, that's good to get some wisdom. Just like this......Does evil exist? "No it isn't" It is just "an absense of good"Is Satan evil? "No He isn't," He is just "an absense of God"Is their hatred? "No it isn't" It is just "an absense of love"(please note the quotation marks, I just happen to like the explanation on the original post)JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.
This was almost a perfect argument (actually a rephrasing of St. Augustine’s argument). There is one problem though in the way it was worded. If “evil” does not exist then how can man ever be accountable for sin? Thus, if we accept this argument “all” without exception must be saved, for “evil” would not exist! If “evil” does not exist then God cannot punish what does not exist. This is a serious problem – one an atheist would love to trap you in!Moreover, in reality it denies original creation: “And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil” (Gen. 2:9; Isa. 45:7). But, God’s pronouncement upon His creation – even of the possibility of sin (posse non-pecarre) – was that it was not only good, but “very good” (Gen. 1:31). So we have evil being created very good? So how do we work this Genesis problem out?Evil does exist. God ordained for evil to exist, but is not its author. We can see this in a present day example of a car manufacturer building a vehicle that will go 150 mph. Now a safe speed in this particular vehicle, the lawful speed, the posted speed is 55 mph. However, if someone is killed going 150 mph sane people do not accuse the manufacturer of evil …. The author of the sin is the person driving the vehicle not the manufacturer! In Genesis, the creator of the tree was/is good, but the author of evil is man.The definition of evil is the absence of “some good,” but not necessarily all good. Good things become evil when “good” is removed. Thus, when the “fruit” was removed and eaten (the removal of good from good) from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, evil came into existence and fell upon all mankind, save Christ, through Adam (Rom. 5:12-18,”original sin,” et. al.). Man was the author of evil. Man removed good from good, he removed the fourth leg of a four-leg chair, making what was good, imperfect.So, why did God ordain evil? While none of us have a complete answer to this here are some thoughts that help:
1. Love can be experienced in different ways. Some ways are stronger than others are. Adam walked in the Garden with the pre-incarnate Christ – with perfect love (can you imagine). However, the most powerful expression of love – according to Scripture – is to lay down your life for another (John 15:13). Of course, death is impossible in a sinless world. Thus, for the total expression of God’s love to be more fully known and experienced, sin had to come into the world, so we could more fully know the very nature of the Godhead -- Trinity (love is also a proof of the existence of the Trinity for love involves more than one Person, but that is a different topic).2. Evil serves many good purposes. It helps us live by faith and without faith it is impossible to please God (Heb. 11:6). Israel had Pharaoh, Joseph had his brothers and …., and David had Goliath, ….3. One of the clearest examples in Scripture of the necessity of evil – and God’s patience with it – is in the parable of the wheat and tares (Matt 13:24 ff). Remember a man (God) sowed good seed in his land. However, an enemy (Satan) sowed tares in it (compare Gen. 3:15, seed of the woman and the seed of the serpent). Remember what the man’s response is in the parable when asked if they should remove the tares immediately? “Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.” God said to leave them behind until the final harvest. This was and is all part of God's perfect plan – which of course brings Him perfect glory. Ask a farmer and he will tell you that tares help wheat grow stronger and taller because it struggles more for the ground in which it is sown and thus it develops deeper roots. Welcome to the Christian faith – in this world ye shall have tribulation ….., but this glorifies God …. and “All things work together …”
Hope this helps.
1. Love can be experienced in different ways. Some ways are stronger than others are. Adam walked in the Garden with the pre-incarnate Christ – with perfect love (can you imagine). However, the most powerful expression of love – according to Scripture – is to lay down your life for another (John 15:13). Of course, death is impossible in a sinless world. Thus, for the total expression of God’s love to be more fully known and experienced, sin had to come into the world, so we could more fully know the very nature of the Godhead -- Trinity (love is also a proof of the existence of the Trinity for love involves more than one Person, but that is a different topic).2. Evil serves many good purposes. It helps us live by faith and without faith it is impossible to please God (Heb. 11:6). Israel had Pharaoh, Joseph had his brothers and …., and David had Goliath, ….3. One of the clearest examples in Scripture of the necessity of evil – and God’s patience with it – is in the parable of the wheat and tares (Matt 13:24 ff). Remember a man (God) sowed good seed in his land. However, an enemy (Satan) sowed tares in it (compare Gen. 3:15, seed of the woman and the seed of the serpent). Remember what the man’s response is in the parable when asked if they should remove the tares immediately? “Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.” God said to leave them behind until the final harvest. This was and is all part of God's perfect plan – which of course brings Him perfect glory. Ask a farmer and he will tell you that tares help wheat grow stronger and taller because it struggles more for the ground in which it is sown and thus it develops deeper roots. Welcome to the Christian faith – in this world ye shall have tribulation ….., but this glorifies God …. and “All things work together …”
Hope this helps.
Thus, if we accept this argument “all” without exception must be saved, for “evil” would not exist! If “evil” does not exist then God cannot punish what does not exist. This is a serious problem – one an atheist would love to trap you in!
Are you sure God punishes evil, or does evil punish itself? In other words is separation from God the punishment that God metes out?Great Post by the way. Brilliant.
Are you sure God punishes evil, or does evil punish itself? In other words is separation from God the punishment that God metes out?Great Post by the way. Brilliant.
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Are you sure God punishes evil, or does evil punish itself? In other words is separation from God the punishment that God metes out?Great Post by the way. Brilliant.
God is the Judge. Similar to a judge in a courtroom, but without any chance of error, God does judge sin and punish evil (2 Thess. 1:9; Heb. 10:29; 2 Pet. 2:9). God made Hell. He is the one that passes the final sentence. He is the one that flooded the earth. He is the one that destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. He punished Christ for the sins of the elect (2 Cor. 5:21; Isa. 53:5-6; 1 Cor. 15:23; 1 Pet. 3:18). Of course, He may use His agents to carry this out, … but it is still considered God punishing ….Being separated from God is part and parcel of the judgment given. Being separated though does not mean that God as the Judge is not continually active in His meting out justice. It is more like the unjust will not be able in any form be able to sense God’s love, mercy, and grace. Unlike now when the unsaved world may experience within limits God’s common grace, His withholding of total evil in a person, etc. Hell will let it all loose. I do not believe our mere words do complete justice in describing it. But Hell will not be left to punish itself.
Are you sure God punishes evil, or does evil punish itself? In other words is separation from God the punishment that God metes out?Great Post by the way. Brilliant.
God is the Judge. Similar to a judge in a courtroom, but without any chance of error, God does judge sin and punish evil (2 Thess. 1:9; Heb. 10:29; 2 Pet. 2:9). God made Hell. He is the one that passes the final sentence. He is the one that flooded the earth. He is the one that destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. He punished Christ for the sins of the elect (2 Cor. 5:21; Isa. 53:5-6; 1 Cor. 15:23; 1 Pet. 3:18). Of course, He may use His agents to carry this out, … but it is still considered God punishing ….Being separated from God is part and parcel of the judgment given. Being separated though does not mean that God as the Judge is not continually active in His meting out justice. It is more like the unjust will not be able in any form be able to sense God’s love, mercy, and grace. Unlike now when the unsaved world may experience within limits God’s common grace, His withholding of total evil in a person, etc. Hell will let it all loose. I do not believe our mere words do complete justice in describing it. But Hell will not be left to punish itself.
God can judge for evil because the standard is perfection. If you do not meet the standard then you are evil and must be punished. Hence Christ.
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"Let me explain the problem science has with Jesus Christ." The atheist professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then asks one of his new students to stand."You're a Christian, aren't you, son?" "Yes sir," the student says."So you believe in God?""Absolutely.""Is God good?""Sure! God's good.""Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?""Yes.""Are you good or evil?""The Bible says I'm evil."The professor grins knowingly. "Aha! The Bible!" He considers for a moment."Here's one for you. Let's say there's a sick person over here and you can cure him. You can do it. Would you help him? Would you try?""Yes sir, I would." "So you're good...!""I wouldn't say that.""But why not say that? You'd help a sick and maimed person if youcould. Most of us would if we could. But God doesn't." The student does not answer, so the professor continues. "He doesn't, does he? My brother was a Christian who died of cancer, even though he prayed to Jesus to heal him How is this Jesus good? Hmmm? Can you answer that one?"The student remains silent."No, you can't, can you?" the professor says. He takes a sip of water from a glass on his desk to give the student time to relax. "Let's start again, young fella Is God good?""Er...yes," the student says. "Is Satan good?"The student doesn't hesitate on this one. "No.""Then where does Satan come from?"The student: "From...God...""That's right. God made Satan, didn't he? Tell me, son. Is there evil in this world?""Yes, sir.""Evil's everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything, correct?" "Yes.""So who created evil?" The professor continued, "If God created everything, then God created evil, since evil exists, and according to the principle that our works define who we are, then God is evil."Without allowing the student to answer, the professor continues: "Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things, do they exist in this world?"The student: "Yes.""So who created them?"The student does not answer again, so the professor repeats his question. "Who created them?" There is still no answer. Suddenly the lecturer breaks away to pace in front of the classroom. The class is mesmerized."Tell me," he continues onto another student. "Do you believe in Jesus Christ, son?"The student's voice is confident: "Yes, professor, I do."The old man stops pacing. "Science says you have five senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Have you ever seen Jesus?""No sir. I've never seen Him""Then tell us if you've ever heard your Jesus?""No, sir, I have not.""Have you ever actually felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus or smelt your Jesus? Have you ever had any sensory perception of Jesus Christ, or God for that matter?""No, sir, I'm afraid I haven't.""Yet you still believe in him?""Yes.""According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your God doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?""Nothing," the student replies. "I only have my faith.""Yes, faith," the professor repeats. "And that is the problem science has with God. There is no evidence, only faith."The student stands quietly for a moment, before asking a questionof his own. "Professor, is there such thing as heat?""Yes," the professor replies. "There's heat.""And is there such a thing as cold?""Yes, son, there's cold too.""No sir, there isn't."The professor turns to face the student, obviously interested. The room suddenly becomes very quiet. The student begins to explain. "You can have lots of heat, even more heat, super-heat, mega-heat, unlimited heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat, but we don'thave anything called 'cold'. We can hit up to 458 degrees below zero, which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold; otherwise we would be able to go colder than the lowest -458 degrees. Every body or object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit energy. Absolute zero (-458 F) is the total absence of heat. You see, sir, cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat we can measure in thermal units becauseheat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it."Silence across the room. A pen drops somewhere in the classroom, sounding like a hammer."What about darkness, professor. Is there such a thing as darkness?""Yes," the professor replies without hesitation. "What is night if it isn't darkness?""You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is not something; it is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light, but if you have no light constantly you have nothing and it's called darkness, isn't it? That's the meaning we use to define the word. In reality, darkness isn't. If it were, you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you?"The professor begins to smile at the student in front of him and says, "This is going to be a good semester... So what point are you making, young man?""Yes, professor. My point is, your philosophical premise is flawed to start with, and so your conclusion must also be flawed."The professor's face cannot hide his surprise this time. "Flawed? Can you explain how?""You are working on the premise of duality," the student explains. "You argue that there is life and then there's death; a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never been seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life, just the absence of it.""Now tell me, professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?""If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young man, yes, of course I do""Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?"The professor begins to shake his head, still smiling, as he realizes where the argument is going. A very good semester, indeed."Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavour, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you now not a scientist, but a preacher?"The class is in uproar. The student remains silent until the commotion has subsided."To continue the point you were making earlier to the other student, let me give you an example of what I mean." The student looks around the room. "Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the professor's brain?" The class breaks out intolaughter. "Is there anyone here who has ever heard the professor's brain, felt the professor's brain, touched or smelled the professor's brain? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, with all due respect, sir. So if science says you have no brain, how can we trust your lectures, sir?"Now the room is silent. The professor just stares at the student, his face unreadable. Finally, after what seems an eternity, the old man answers. "Iguess you'll have to take them on faith.""Now, you accept that there is faith, and, in fact, faith exists with life," the student continues. "Now, sir, is there such a thing as evil?"Now uncertain, the professor responds, "Of course, there is. We see it everyday. It is in the daily example of man's inhumanity to man. It is in the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world. These manifestations are nothing else but evil."To this the student replied, "Evil does not exist sir, or at least it does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. Evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God's love present in his heart. It's like the cold that comes when there is no heat or the darkness that comes when there is no light."The professor sat down.
thanks for the post .what christian would not get its point's but a unbelieving man convinced by rational arguments aganist his will is of the same opinion still.they must be convinced the same way we were by the power of the holy spirit working through the message of ones own sin's and ones only savior from sin.if men could come to faith by their own reason what need would there be for the Holy Ghost?it is him that calls us out of darkness to the woderful message of Jesus that wonderful saving light.
"Let me explain the problem science has with Jesus Christ." The atheist professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then asks one of his new students to stand."You're a Christian, aren't you, son?" "Yes sir," the student says."So you believe in God?""Absolutely.""Is God good?""Sure! God's good.""Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?""Yes.""Are you good or evil?""The Bible says I'm evil."The professor grins knowingly. "Aha! The Bible!" He considers for a moment."Here's one for you. Let's say there's a sick person over here and you can cure him. You can do it. Would you help him? Would you try?""Yes sir, I would." "So you're good...!""I wouldn't say that.""But why not say that? You'd help a sick and maimed person if youcould. Most of us would if we could. But God doesn't." The student does not answer, so the professor continues. "He doesn't, does he? My brother was a Christian who died of cancer, even though he prayed to Jesus to heal him How is this Jesus good? Hmmm? Can you answer that one?"The student remains silent."No, you can't, can you?" the professor says. He takes a sip of water from a glass on his desk to give the student time to relax. "Let's start again, young fella Is God good?""Er...yes," the student says. "Is Satan good?"The student doesn't hesitate on this one. "No.""Then where does Satan come from?"The student: "From...God...""That's right. God made Satan, didn't he? Tell me, son. Is there evil in this world?""Yes, sir.""Evil's everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything, correct?" "Yes.""So who created evil?" The professor continued, "If God created everything, then God created evil, since evil exists, and according to the principle that our works define who we are, then God is evil."Without allowing the student to answer, the professor continues: "Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things, do they exist in this world?"The student: "Yes.""So who created them?"The student does not answer again, so the professor repeats his question. "Who created them?" There is still no answer. Suddenly the lecturer breaks away to pace in front of the classroom. The class is mesmerized."Tell me," he continues onto another student. "Do you believe in Jesus Christ, son?"The student's voice is confident: "Yes, professor, I do."The old man stops pacing. "Science says you have five senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Have you ever seen Jesus?""No sir. I've never seen Him""Then tell us if you've ever heard your Jesus?""No, sir, I have not.""Have you ever actually felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus or smelt your Jesus? Have you ever had any sensory perception of Jesus Christ, or God for that matter?""No, sir, I'm afraid I haven't.""Yet you still believe in him?""Yes.""According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your God doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?""Nothing," the student replies. "I only have my faith.""Yes, faith," the professor repeats. "And that is the problem science has with God. There is no evidence, only faith."The student stands quietly for a moment, before asking a questionof his own. "Professor, is there such thing as heat?""Yes," the professor replies. "There's heat.""And is there such a thing as cold?""Yes, son, there's cold too.""No sir, there isn't."The professor turns to face the student, obviously interested. The room suddenly becomes very quiet. The student begins to explain. "You can have lots of heat, even more heat, super-heat, mega-heat, unlimited heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat, but we don'thave anything called 'cold'. We can hit up to 458 degrees below zero, which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold; otherwise we would be able to go colder than the lowest -458 degrees. Every body or object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit energy. Absolute zero (-458 F) is the total absence of heat. You see, sir, cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat we can measure in thermal units becauseheat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it."Silence across the room. A pen drops somewhere in the classroom, sounding like a hammer."What about darkness, professor. Is there such a thing as darkness?""Yes," the professor replies without hesitation. "What is night if it isn't darkness?""You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is not something; it is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light, but if you have no light constantly you have nothing and it's called darkness, isn't it? That's the meaning we use to define the word. In reality, darkness isn't. If it were, you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you?"The professor begins to smile at the student in front of him and says, "This is going to be a good semester... So what point are you making, young man?""Yes, professor. My point is, your philosophical premise is flawed to start with, and so your conclusion must also be flawed."The professor's face cannot hide his surprise this time. "Flawed? Can you explain how?""You are working on the premise of duality," the student explains. "You argue that there is life and then there's death; a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never been seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life, just the absence of it.""Now tell me, professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?""If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young man, yes, of course I do""Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?"The professor begins to shake his head, still smiling, as he realizes where the argument is going. A very good semester, indeed."Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavour, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you now not a scientist, but a preacher?"The class is in uproar. The student remains silent until the commotion has subsided."To continue the point you were making earlier to the other student, let me give you an example of what I mean." The student looks around the room. "Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the professor's brain?" The class breaks out intolaughter. "Is there anyone here who has ever heard the professor's brain, felt the professor's brain, touched or smelled the professor's brain? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, with all due respect, sir. So if science says you have no brain, how can we trust your lectures, sir?"Now the room is silent. The professor just stares at the student, his face unreadable. Finally, after what seems an eternity, the old man answers. "Iguess you'll have to take them on faith.""Now, you accept that there is faith, and, in fact, faith exists with life," the student continues. "Now, sir, is there such a thing as evil?"Now uncertain, the professor responds, "Of course, there is. We see it everyday. It is in the daily example of man's inhumanity to man. It is in the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world. These manifestations are nothing else but evil."To this the student replied, "Evil does not exist sir, or at least it does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. Evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God's love present in his heart. It's like the cold that comes when there is no heat or the darkness that comes when there is no light."The professor sat down.
thanks for the post .what christian would not get its point's but a unbelieving man convinced by rational arguments aganist his will is of the same opinion still.they must be convinced the same way we were by the power of the holy spirit working through the message of ones own sin's and ones only savior from sin.if men could come to faith by their own reason what need would there be for the Holy Ghost?it is him that calls us out of darkness to the woderful message of Jesus that wonderful saving light.
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"The old man stops pacing. "Science says you have five senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Have you ever seen Jesus?""No sir. I've never seen Him""Then tell us if you've ever heard your Jesus?""No, sir, I have not.".
Science used to say you have five senses. Now, in the field of parapsychology some scientists are talking of the sixth sense. Remote viewing where people can see at a great distance people or places using only there minds, is proving a sixth sense. Extra sensory perception, you might call it.I would have answered that professor differently. The year I got saved, 1975, Jesus appeared to me in a night vision and paraphrased scripture to me as it applied to me. I have seen Him, heard Him, and know that Christianity, as defined in the New Testament, is the only true religion on the face of the Earth. I got saved because of science. I was an agnostic physics major. I did an experiment to test for the existence of God. I wanted evidence so I would know and not just believe. I got the evidence. So now I know and not just believe.
"The old man stops pacing. "Science says you have five senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Have you ever seen Jesus?""No sir. I've never seen Him""Then tell us if you've ever heard your Jesus?""No, sir, I have not.".
Science used to say you have five senses. Now, in the field of parapsychology some scientists are talking of the sixth sense. Remote viewing where people can see at a great distance people or places using only there minds, is proving a sixth sense. Extra sensory perception, you might call it.I would have answered that professor differently. The year I got saved, 1975, Jesus appeared to me in a night vision and paraphrased scripture to me as it applied to me. I have seen Him, heard Him, and know that Christianity, as defined in the New Testament, is the only true religion on the face of the Earth. I got saved because of science. I was an agnostic physics major. I did an experiment to test for the existence of God. I wanted evidence so I would know and not just believe. I got the evidence. So now I know and not just believe.
Jon-Marc
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If science ever disagrees with God's word, then that science is wrong. Much scientific knowledge and "proof" is man-made and subject to change. The truth of God's word never changes.
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