I am wondering why there is so much ill will when it comes to the UD Govt. support/involvement in some innocuous Judeo/Christian event and yet the US Govt will spend billions in support to Islamic States where Church/State is inseparable and tolerance is non existent.
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It comes down to two things: self loathing and abject fear of Islam.
Those in power fear Islam to the nth degree because it offers order, strong morals, and the type of unifying fabric they view as a threat. Thus the reason you don't see the religion mocked at all like Christianity. The general feeling is Christianity has been "beaten" as a major threat and so it can now be beaten upon, those Christians will just take it. (And it's spurred on by the deChristianizing of the nation, as well.)
Those in power fear Islam to the nth degree because it offers order, strong morals, and the type of unifying fabric they view as a threat. Thus the reason you don't see the religion mocked at all like Christianity. The general feeling is Christianity has been "beaten" as a major threat and so it can now be beaten upon, those Christians will just take it. (And it's spurred on by the deChristianizing of the nation, as well.)
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I watched a great documentary on the rise of Islamic fundamentalism, which occurred a couple years before a group of Islamic fundamentalists assassinated the leader of Egypt - Sadat.
After the group was rounded up and jailed in Egypt, they (including many future leaders of Al Qaeda) ended up preaching to many of the other prisoners and raising a quasi-fundamentalist army and declared their purpose: Convert all Muslim nations to Fundamentalist regimes. They tried and failed all over the Muslim world - Algeria and Libya and Iraq were good examples of this failure. Iran was the shining example of what Muslim Fundamentalist governments could do. Meanwhile, the Egyptian government became so afraid of these prisoners that they decided to release them and send them to Afghanistan to fight the Russians, hoping they would simply be killed off. Unfortunately for the Muslim world, it was Russia that lost the war - many of the prisoners, including the leaders of the Sadat assassination survived and ended up forming terrorist organizations aimed at toppling Muslim governments.
America got involved with these groups during the Bosnian war. Clinton knew and warned incoming President Bush about a little known terrorist leader named Osama Bin Ladin, who was becoming a rising threat to US Security. Somewhere along the line, unstable Pakistan developed the nuclear bomb, while the US looked the other way (I think during the 90s). Then came 911 Bush did a great job of eradicating the terrorist camps in Afghanistan - unfortunately the US expanded it;s war into Iraq and further developed the war in Afghanistan,
Anyway, it was interesting to find out where all the Muslim fanaticism came from. I always thought all of it came out of Palestine, which only later played it's own role.
After the group was rounded up and jailed in Egypt, they (including many future leaders of Al Qaeda) ended up preaching to many of the other prisoners and raising a quasi-fundamentalist army and declared their purpose: Convert all Muslim nations to Fundamentalist regimes. They tried and failed all over the Muslim world - Algeria and Libya and Iraq were good examples of this failure. Iran was the shining example of what Muslim Fundamentalist governments could do. Meanwhile, the Egyptian government became so afraid of these prisoners that they decided to release them and send them to Afghanistan to fight the Russians, hoping they would simply be killed off. Unfortunately for the Muslim world, it was Russia that lost the war - many of the prisoners, including the leaders of the Sadat assassination survived and ended up forming terrorist organizations aimed at toppling Muslim governments.
America got involved with these groups during the Bosnian war. Clinton knew and warned incoming President Bush about a little known terrorist leader named Osama Bin Ladin, who was becoming a rising threat to US Security. Somewhere along the line, unstable Pakistan developed the nuclear bomb, while the US looked the other way (I think during the 90s). Then came 911 Bush did a great job of eradicating the terrorist camps in Afghanistan - unfortunately the US expanded it;s war into Iraq and further developed the war in Afghanistan,
Anyway, it was interesting to find out where all the Muslim fanaticism came from. I always thought all of it came out of Palestine, which only later played it's own role.
It's because of subversive goals like these...
24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.
25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.
26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."
27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch."
28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."
29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.
30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."
31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the "big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.
(From ex-FBI agent Cleon Skousen's 1958 work The Naked Communist)
Communism's usage of radical Islam was not on Skousen's 1958 list of Soviet Communist goals against the Christian West. But because of radical Islam's religious belief of killing all those who refuse to convert to it, Communism has evidently seen use of it as a tool against Christianity and the free nations. How many religious systems on earth promote the killing of people that refuse to convert to it? Radical Islam is one of them. Christianity is not.
24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.
25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.
26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."
27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch."
28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."
29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.
30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."
31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the "big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.
(From ex-FBI agent Cleon Skousen's 1958 work The Naked Communist)
Communism's usage of radical Islam was not on Skousen's 1958 list of Soviet Communist goals against the Christian West. But because of radical Islam's religious belief of killing all those who refuse to convert to it, Communism has evidently seen use of it as a tool against Christianity and the free nations. How many religious systems on earth promote the killing of people that refuse to convert to it? Radical Islam is one of them. Christianity is not.
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Considering the debauched condition of the uS government these days, I suspect that the answer to the question of why Muslim interests are advanced and Christian ones repressed IS THAT there may be a lot of money or 'special privileges' being exchanged.
Money and special privileges are the lubricant that has greased the skids throughout the history of civilization. Case in point is the debacle of the government supported (uS government) drug lords in Mexico.
Money and special privileges are the lubricant that has greased the skids throughout the history of civilization. Case in point is the debacle of the government supported (uS government) drug lords in Mexico.
It's all going according to the big plan. And that big plan is "one world government" in order to bring the Rev.13 beast kingdom and the dragon beast to sit as head king over it, and cause a short time of "Peace and safety" upon this earth deceiving the majority into bowing to him in place of God.
That's what all battles being fought on earth today against all radicals against the "one world government" beast kingdom is about. At the same time those who refuse to follow the Globalist's concept of religions of the world will persecute those of us who refuse to bow and accept it.
Peace, peace, peace and there is no peace (Jer.8:11; Ezek.13).
NWO has been created by the freemasons it's a good plan :wub: but has noting to do with Jesus Christ at all, so it will fail badly.
I am going to join a secret society and and hold my head up proudly as a man with secrets does and if asked why am i doing such a blasphemous thing i will just look down on them as not worthy. and i don't believe in repenting sin. my mob are above all that.
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:lol: how stupid can one be
I am going to join a secret society and and hold my head up proudly as a man with secrets does and if asked why am i doing such a blasphemous thing i will just look down on them as not worthy. and i don't believe in repenting sin. my mob are above all that.
h34r::lol: how stupid can one be
Apostle Paul said the 'love' of money was the root of all evil (1 Tim.6:10). But many supporters on the plan for "a one-world government" already have plenty of money, lot of them so much they don't know what to do with it all. That suggests their plans involve a lot more than just love of money. God's Word about the end of this world reveals that too.
Per the Mason Albert Pike (19th century):
"We shall unleash the Nihilists and Atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, who deistic spirits will be from that moment without compass (direction), anxious for an ideal, but with out knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view, a manifestation which will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time." (William Guy Carr, Pawns in the Game, p.xv-xvi).
That's about Communistic atheism, atheists that have no problem using force to achieve their goal of one-world socialism. What Pike is suggesting, is that world Communism is actually ruled by the radical lodges of Masonry itself, (the higher initiates most likely) involved in the same kind of strategy to overthrow Christianity and governments that the Bavarian Illuminati had under Adam Weishaupt in the 18th century. And all that is for the purpose of announcing the "universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer".
Those are the actual "synagogue of Satan" folks, a group of men hidden from plain sight in today's world that actually worship Lucifer!
Though their "great tribulation" will come upon the whole world, God has a different outcome than what Pike espoused. Those who worship Lucifer (the devil) will wind up in the pit with him.
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Can someone supply me with a single passage in any of the founding documents of the United States of America that specifically mentions the "Separation of Church and State"?
No such clause is written in the U.S. Constitution.
"28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of “separation of church and state.” (from The Naked Communist,1958, by ex-FBI agent Cleon Skousen).
Supposedly, Thomas Jefferson is who came up with the clause in his personal writings. That's where some Leftists claim it from (Thomas Jefferson). Yet Jefferson and Franklin were closely associated with socialists in France, and they both traveled back and forth to France as ambassadors. There was quite a riff among the early founding fathers because of their political associations.
The Communist Left are the main ones that have used that separation of Church and State ploy, simply because they realize how important it is to get Godly values out of the state apparatus so as to allow secularism to get control. And once secular humanism, or the "age of reason" thinking is dominant, then Socialist-Communsit principles can be substituted in its place. Those like Jefferson and Franklin were very much into the European "age of reason" and "enlightenment" type of thinking. Many of the early founding fathers were involved in Masonry, but there were two main branches of it in Europe at that time, and there was a huge riff between them. It's very important to know this, because it reveals part of the reason for a riff between some of the early founding fathers.
The British mason John Robison specifically wrote his 1798 book Proofs Of A Conspiracy documenting Weishaupt's Bavarian Illuminati takeover of Continental Masonic lodges on the continent of Europe as a warning to masons associated with the British lodges (as a warning to the Church and western governments too).
Masonry began in Great Britain according to Robison, and it had only 3 degrees. Early masonry on the continent of Europe, like in France, Germany, etc., got its roots from British masonry (per Robison). What Weishaupt's Bavarian Illuminati Order sought to do, and did, was to take over the highest positions within Continental masonry (in countries like France, Germany, Switzerland, etc., only countries on the European continent). Those lodges on the continent became known as 'blue lodges'. And they had many degrees added... to the original 3 degrees from British masonry. Weishaupt's Illuminati added them. Robison goes on to reveal how a lot of those added degrees to the masonic lodges on the continent of Europe were bogus, and involved occultic charlatans and all sorts of shady characters involved with the movement. He used the discovered secret documents and personal letters of Weishaupt's Bavarian Illuminati to prove it, which included an outline of the initiatic structure and degrees. So originally, in British masonry, the original masonry, there never was any more than the basic 3 degrees. Thus the masonic 'French connection' which those like Ben Franklin and Thomas Jefferson had as ambassors is revealed in some of the ideas of their writings, and was most likely the cause of a rift they had with others like George Washington and John Adams, and the reason for two opposing works on statism, The Federalist Papers, and The Anti-Federalist Papers.
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Well done, Veteran! The phrase "Separation of Church and State" does not appear in any of the United States of America's founding documents but the exact phrase is a crucial plank in the Communist Manifesto as you so eloquently noted.
that's because their plan for taking them over has already succeeded to a great degree, signaling what times we're in today.
Since when is Islamic Sharia about the idea of a 'Church'?
Here's what you said:
If you meant by that "regimes that have fully wedded Church and State" put for Islamic Sharia allowed to exist in western Christian nations, that's not what I was talking about, but it could apply.
For Christian Churches in the west to agree to allowing that, it reveals signs of those Christian Churches having been taken over by Christ's enemies, specifically those who intend to destroy Christianity.
Allowing any type of community in the U.S. to have a specific law other than the law of the land (U.S. Constitution), is a violation of said Constitution. Isn't that exactly what the Branch Davidian and Freeman Ranch groups were doing which caused the Feds to put an end to those communities?
But of course, it would have to be proven that Shariah law violates the U.S. law of the land, the U.S. Constitution. One of the ways the Freeman group violated it was by printing up their own currency.
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