Serve Jesus his way, and receive a Crown of life

[Jay Ross]

Logic depends on one's viewpoint and purpose. You presumed that both you and I are speaking to all sincere Christians on this forum. I did not make that strong and likely inaccurate assumption. And also, I do not take for granted that when I talk about God and His Son, everyone understands the clear distinctions, which are numerous. I did expect that you read my posts and understood why I expressed myself as I did. Perhaps you did not.

What people have failed to determine is "who" the "whom" is, that I was referencing in my post.

I was speaking globally of all people and not of a specific mind set of some people like "Christians." There are many people who identify as "Christians" who do not serve God but rather another identity.

 

[JustMe]

You misunderstand the very thing Jesus came to reveal. You speak as if the Father is one path and Jesus is another, or as if honoring Jesus somehow takes away from honoring the Father. But Jesus Himself shows the truth clearly. He said, “I and My Father are one” (John 10:30). You cannot separate them. To honor the Father is to honor the Son, and to refuse the Son is to refuse the Father who sent Him.

You say Jesus did not place Himself in the great commandment, yet Jesus also said that loving Him is part of loving the Father. He said, “If God were your Father, you would love Me” (John 8:42). He also said, “He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him” (John 5:23). So you cannot say you serve the Father while lowering the Son to a lesser place. Jesus does not allow that.

You quoted the greatest commandment, but you ignored what Jesus said next. The second commandment is “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” and Jesus showed that He is the one who defines who our neighbor is and how to love. And again and again He speaks as the One with authority equal to God. When Thomas saw the risen Lord, he said directly to Jesus, “My Lord and my God!” (John 20:28). Jesus did not correct him. He accepted that worship because it was true.

You also forget that the Father Himself gives His people to Jesus. Jesus said, “All that the Father gives Me will come to Me” (John 6:37) and again, “Yours they were, and You gave them to Me” (John 17:6). So when you speak as though you serve the Father above Jesus, you are ignoring the Father’s own act of placing His people into the hands of His Son.

You quoted Jesus saying He is the way to the Father, but you try to use that verse to lower Him. Jesus did not say, “I point to the way.” He said, “I am the way, the truth, and the life” (John 14:6). That is not the language of a mere messenger but of the One who shares the very life of the Father. Jesus also said, “He who has seen Me has seen the Father” (John 14:9). If that does not show oneness with God, nothing will.

Your words create a false separation. You speak as if worship of Jesus is optional or secondary. But Jesus says it plainly: “All should honor the Son just as they honor the Father” (John 5:23). Your teaching does not do that. You give the Father words of worship, but you hold back from the Son the honor He says He must receive. This is not faithfulness. It is disobedience to the Lord Himself.

And you use Paul to support ideas that Jesus never taught. Jesus never said the Sinai covenant was bondage. He upheld God’s commandments and taught them as the path of life. Jesus said if we love Him, we will keep His commandments (John 14:15). He pointed people back to God’s law, not away from it. To claim otherwise is to fight the words of Christ.

You say you serve the Father “through the Son’s spirit,” but then you speak as though Jesus is less than the Father. This is not how Jesus speaks. Jesus says the Father and the Son act together, speak together, and judge together. He said, “The Father and I will come and make Our home with him” (John 14:23). Not one without the other. Never divided. Always one.

So here is the truth you are refusing to see:
You cannot serve the Father while lowering the Son.
You cannot honor God while denying the oneness He revealed between Himself and His Son.
You cannot claim the Father without bowing fully to the Son.

Jesus is not an optional helper beside God. He is God’s own Word, God’s own image, God’s own presence among us.Those who truly serve the Father hear the Son, follow the Son, love the Son, and honor the Son exactly as they honor the Father.

Anything less is rebellion, not devotion.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Jhn 1:1​

I think now would be a great time for you to take some chill-out pills.
Calm down and try to respond to what I actually said and not what I did not say, like Jesus saying the 10 Commandments are bondage.

Well, your overall response as an emotional appeal and apologist for Jesus is quite unnecessary. He does not need it, I assure you. And who said Jesus is one path and his Father on another. There is unqualified, misunderstood, or misapplied scripture and incomplete arguments in your response, like as if you just shouted or blurted out at me without really considering what you just said.

Anyway, can I ask you the same question I asked the other person, who do you ultimately serve?

And maybe I get a calm, collective and informative reply this time.. thanks

 

[JustMe]

What people have failed to determine is "who" the "whom" is, that I was referencing in my post.

I was speaking globally of all people and not of a specific mind set of some people like "Christians." There are many people who identify as "Christians" who do not serve God but rather another identity.

Point taken..thanks

 

[bro.tan]

Attempting to alter course and avoid my question posed to you I see...

Jesus the Messiah isn't my main or ultimate goal or reason for living. I serve and worship my God, my Father in heaven, above all. Do my words upset you because I don't serve Yeshua just like his Father?

Let me make this clear.

You teach others about the 10 Commandments, as you mentioned in your last post to me. What did the Son of God say was the greatest command from God?

One scribe came close and heard their argument. He saw Jesus answer well. So he asked,

"Which command is the first one?"

Jesus replied,

"The first is this: 'Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength.'"

I don't think Jesus put himself in that command. I hope you see it that way too.

So why do I serve my lord and Messiah, my savior, in a way that's different from his Father? It's to truly serve and honor God, his Father and mine, just as his Son did and still does today, and into the future. That's the only path. It's what I aim for in life. If God my Father chose a way without a Son to bring him glory and my salvation, I'd follow that way too. But God sent his Son into the world for my salvation. His Son is the sole path to God and my rescue.

Jesus said he is the way, the truth, and the life. He added, "No one reaches the Father except through me."

This shows his unique role as the go-between for God and people. The apostle Paul agreed when he wrote, "There is one God and one go-between for God and men, the man Christ Jesus."

No other person can join in this service or link with God without the Son, his presence, or his real spirit.

This tells us that all true service to God happens through trust and genuine faith in Jesus, his finished works and in his words, and especially his active spirit with the lives of genuine believers today. He alone brought us back to the Father with his death and rising from the dead.

We serve both God and his Son, but the Father stays at the heart of our service and worship.

As a final driving nail, serving God the Father without Christ doesn't work. It's not possible for real salvation. Sin keeps us apart from God. Jesus fills that divide. He paid for sin and lived a perfect life of service that honors the Father.

So to serve the Father in a way he accepts, we join with Christ's spirit with his body. We depend on his completed work for our salvation, through real faith.

I repeat: I serve God my Father, the source of light and all creation. I do it through his Son's spirit that lives in me and leads me to follow the Father's will. Sometimes I sense it fully. Other times, I don't notice it at all.

In the days of Jesus, the religious leaders were constantly questioning Jesus in order to test Him and on this occasion a lawyer asked Jesus what is the great commandment?

Matthew (22:35) Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, (36) Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

Jesus reply was the 1st great commandment was to love God and the 2nd was to love ones neighbor. These were given as a commandment for man to love.

Matthew (22:37) Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

(38) This is the first and great commandment. (39) And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

One should note that by following the 1st and 2nd great commandment they will be adhering to the 10 commandments issued by Moses. If they love the Lord they won’t have any other Gods before him, or make any graven images or take his name in vain, they will remember his Sabbath and if they love their neighbor they will honor their Father and Mother and they won’t kill or commit adultery or steal or bear false witness nor will they covet. This is why Jesus goes on to state that on these two commandments hang the law and the prophets. Because by fulfilling these two commandments one fulfills the law.

(40) On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Jesus stated that these 2 commandments where the 2 great commandments however the following verses will show that these commandments were not new and that the Jews and Jesus was speaking to were aware of them. These were the same ones issued to Israel by Moses.

Deuteronomy (6:5) And thy shall love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

Leviticus (19:18) Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

Now that it has been established that man was commanded to love one needs to examine the scriptures to get an understanding of the love required in these great commandments.

In the following verses Moses is telling the Israelites that God chose them strictly out of His love for them.Deuteronomy (7:7) The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people: (8) But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.

(9) Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;

Note in verse (9) Moses states a condition that God requires in order for Him to keep covenant and have mercy. And that is an individual must love God and keep His commandments. The scriptures will show that there is only one way to love God and that is by keeping His commandments.

Note that Jesus states in the following verse that in order to love Him one has to keep His commandments.

John (14:15) If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Jesus further defines the love He requires when He states in the following verse that those who have His commandments and keep them are those that love Him. One does not have to guess at Jesus definition of love He made it clear.

John (14:21) He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

Jesus also reinforced what was said in Deuteronomy verse (9) by adding that those that love Him will be loved by the Father. How does one love Jesus? by keeping His commandments and Moses said God will keep covenant and have mercy with those who keep His commandments. So therefore by following Jesus one shall receive love from Him as well as mercy from the Father.

Note in these scriptures it did not say those who profess their love for Jesus or those that claim that Jesus knows what in their heart. Jesus made a clear and direct statement if one has His commandments and keeps them they are the ones who love Him. The statement that Jesus made as well as the condition Moses gave in Deuteronomy verse (9) were based on behalf of an individuals actions not their feeling or emotions or conditions. To exhibit love towards Jesus one must engage in a specific action and that action is being obedience to the word of God. And one will see that they are to be obedient regardless of their feeling or the surrounding circumstances.

Jesus states again in the following verses what is required of an individual to receive His love.

John (15:9) As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love. (10) If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

Notice: Jesus use the word if ye keep my commandments, so what happen if ye do not keep his commandments. The above verse shows to be loved of Jesus one needs to be obedient. Jesus also states in verse (10) that He was obedient to the Father by keeping His commandments and therefore abides in His love.

 

[LoveYeshua]

I think now would be a great time for you to take some chill-out pills.
Calm down and try to respond to what I actually said and not what I did not say, like Jesus saying the 10 Commandments are bondage.

Well, your overall response as an emotional appeal and apologist for Jesus is quite unnecessary. He does not need it, I assure you. And who said Jesus is one path and his Father on another. There is unqualified, misunderstood, or misapplied scripture and incomplete arguments in your response, like as if you just shouted or blurted out at me without really considering what you just said.

Anyway, can I ask you the same question I asked the other person, who do you ultimately serve?

And maybe I get a calm, collective and informative reply this time.. thanks

you are the one who need to chill trying to force your beliefs on others is not proper. As for the question I serve both equally I was clear about this, The Holy Father in Heaven and Jesus His son are one!, so chill out, I mean it. things in heaven and earth are not the same. I trust God and his Word completely if they say they are One they are! end of story!

 

[LoveYeshua]

In the days of Jesus, the religious leaders were constantly questioning Jesus in order to test Him and on this occasion a lawyer asked Jesus what is the great commandment?

Matthew (22:35) Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, (36) Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

Jesus reply was the 1st great commandment was to love God and the 2nd was to love ones neighbor. These were given as a commandment for man to love.

Matthew (22:37) Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

(38) This is the first and great commandment. (39) And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

One should note that by following the 1st and 2nd great commandment they will be adhering to the 10 commandments issued by Moses. If they love the Lord they won’t have any other Gods before him, or make any graven images or take his name in vain, they will remember his Sabbath and if they love their neighbor they will honor their Father and Mother and they won’t kill or commit adultery or steal or bear false witness nor will they covet. This is why Jesus goes on to state that on these two commandments hang the law and the prophets. Because by fulfilling these two commandments one fulfills the law.

(40) On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Jesus stated that these 2 commandments where the 2 great commandments however the following verses will show that these commandments were not new and that the Jews and Jesus was speaking to were aware of them. These were the same ones issued to Israel by Moses.

Deuteronomy (6:5) And thy shall love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

Leviticus (19:18) Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

Now that it has been established that man was commanded to love one needs to examine the scriptures to get an understanding of the love required in these great commandments.

In the following verses Moses is telling the Israelites that God chose them strictly out of His love for them.Deuteronomy (7:7) The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people: (8) But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.

(9) Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;

Note in verse (9) Moses states a condition that God requires in order for Him to keep covenant and have mercy. And that is an individual must love God and keep His commandments. The scriptures will show that there is only one way to love God and that is by keeping His commandments.

Note that Jesus states in the following verse that in order to love Him one has to keep His commandments.

John (14:15) If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Jesus further defines the love He requires when He states in the following verse that those who have His commandments and keep them are those that love Him. One does not have to guess at Jesus definition of love He made it clear.

John (14:21) He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

Jesus also reinforced what was said in Deuteronomy verse (9) by adding that those that love Him will be loved by the Father. How does one love Jesus? by keeping His commandments and Moses said God will keep covenant and have mercy with those who keep His commandments. So therefore by following Jesus one shall receive love from Him as well as mercy from the Father.

Note in these scriptures it did not say those who profess their love for Jesus or those that claim that Jesus knows what in their heart. Jesus made a clear and direct statement if one has His commandments and keeps them they are the ones who love Him. The statement that Jesus made as well as the condition Moses gave in Deuteronomy verse (9) were based on behalf of an individuals actions not their feeling or emotions or conditions. To exhibit love towards Jesus one must engage in a specific action and that action is being obedience to the word of God. And one will see that they are to be obedient regardless of their feeling or the surrounding circumstances.

Jesus states again in the following verses what is required of an individual to receive His love.

John (15:9) As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love. (10) If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

Notice: Jesus use the word if ye keep my commandments, so what happen if ye do not keep his commandments. The above verse shows to be loved of Jesus one needs to be obedient. Jesus also states in verse (10) that He was obedient to the Father by keeping His commandments and therefore abides in His love.

Amen Brother!

 

[JustMe]

In the days of Jesus, the religious leaders were constantly questioning Jesus in order to test Him and on this occasion a lawyer asked Jesus what is the great commandment?

Matthew (22:35) Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, (36) Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

Jesus reply was the 1st great commandment was to love God and the 2nd was to love ones neighbor. These were given as a commandment for man to love.

Matthew (22:37) Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

(38) This is the first and great commandment. (39) And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

One should note that by following the 1st and 2nd great commandment they will be adhering to the 10 commandments issued by Moses. If they love the Lord they won’t have any other Gods before him, or make any graven images or take his name in vain, they will remember his Sabbath and if they love their neighbor they will honor their Father and Mother and they won’t kill or commit adultery or steal or bear false witness nor will they covet. This is why Jesus goes on to state that on these two commandments hang the law and the prophets. Because by fulfilling these two commandments one fulfills the law.

(40) On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Jesus stated that these 2 commandments where the 2 great commandments however the following verses will show that these commandments were not new and that the Jews and Jesus was speaking to were aware of them. These were the same ones issued to Israel by Moses.

Deuteronomy (6:5) And thy shall love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

Leviticus (19:18) Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

Now that it has been established that man was commanded to love one needs to examine the scriptures to get an understanding of the love required in these great commandments.

In the following verses Moses is telling the Israelites that God chose them strictly out of His love for them.Deuteronomy (7:7) The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people: (8) But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.

(9) Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;

Note in verse (9) Moses states a condition that God requires in order for Him to keep covenant and have mercy. And that is an individual must love God and keep His commandments. The scriptures will show that there is only one way to love God and that is by keeping His commandments.

Note that Jesus states in the following verse that in order to love Him one has to keep His commandments.

John (14:15) If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Jesus further defines the love He requires when He states in the following verse that those who have His commandments and keep them are those that love Him. One does not have to guess at Jesus definition of love He made it clear.

John (14:21) He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

Jesus also reinforced what was said in Deuteronomy verse (9) by adding that those that love Him will be loved by the Father. How does one love Jesus? by keeping His commandments and Moses said God will keep covenant and have mercy with those who keep His commandments. So therefore by following Jesus one shall receive love from Him as well as mercy from the Father.

Note in these scriptures it did not say those who profess their love for Jesus or those that claim that Jesus knows what in their heart. Jesus made a clear and direct statement if one has His commandments and keeps them they are the ones who love Him. The statement that Jesus made as well as the condition Moses gave in Deuteronomy verse (9) were based on behalf of an individuals actions not their feeling or emotions or conditions. To exhibit love towards Jesus one must engage in a specific action and that action is being obedience to the word of God. And one will see that they are to be obedient regardless of their feeling or the surrounding circumstances.

Jesus states again in the following verses what is required of an individual to receive His love.

John (15:9) As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love. (10) If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

Notice: Jesus use the word if ye keep my commandments, so what happen if ye do not keep his commandments. The above verse shows to be loved of Jesus one needs to be obedient. Jesus also states in verse (10) that He was obedient to the Father by keeping His commandments and therefore abides in His love.

This is a neat short presentation and commentary on the two greatest commandments. And who was your intended targeted audience? Is this subject part support material in answering who you ultimately serve? I cannot wait for you to get to the point and answer my question.

I'm now wondering if you are having difficulty in answering my question. You speak of Jesus and his father and yet you cannot clearly reveal their differences and similarities to formulate an answer on who you ultimately serve. It is not a trick question, I assure you.

If you want me to present simple queries for you, requiring a simple yes or no response in order to get to answering my question, then let me know. I will gladly oblige.

 

[JustMe]

@bro.tan whilst I still await your answer to my initial question I posted, and in the interest on using time more wisely, I then have another to give you.

Regarding your commentary on the Commands of God and his Son.....post # 24

What is the difference if there is one, between how one could obey the commandments under the Old Covenant and then under the New one? The answer points to whom one ultimately serves, of my first, and still unanswered question.

 

[LoveYeshua]

@bro.tan whilst I still await your answer to my initial question I posted, and in the interest on using time more wisely, I then have another to give you.

Regarding your commentary on the Commands of God and his Son.....post # 24

What is the difference if there is one, between how one could obey the commandments under the Old Covenant and then under the New one? The answer points to whom one ultimately serves, of my first, and still unanswered question.

you do not give up do you. still trying to force something out of people.

 

[dak]

Amen Brother!

Just curious: what does the word "Eagle" mean beneath your screen name? Is that a club, or a group, or something to do with being a staff member? (I've seen a few others with it also).

 

[JustMe]

you do not give up do you. still trying to force something out of people.

Stick to your own affairs, no matter what they are, since this discussion has nothing to do with you.

 

[JustMe]

L

Just curious: what does the word "Eagle" mean beneath your screen name? Is that a club, or a group, or something to do with being a staff member? (I've seen a few others with it also).

I'll try to explain it using a blend of 'Christian faith' and the eagle's key traits.

Wearing this eagle symbol as a badge or main focus with one's avatar would give the wearer inner spiritual power, heavenly safety, and a stronger link to God's strength and guidance.

 

[LoveYeshua]

Just curious: what does the word "Eagle" mean beneath your screen name? Is that a club, or a group, or something to do with being a staff member? (I've seen a few others with it also).

a small group of people who have certain spiritual gifts, we work together to advance God's kingdom , to pray for others and work together for these goals.

Blessings

 

[bro.tan]

@bro.tan whilst I still await your answer to my initial question I posted, and in the interest on using time more wisely, I then have another to give you.

Regarding your commentary on the Commands of God and his Son.....post # 24

What is the difference if there is one, between how one could obey the commandments under the Old Covenant and then under the New one? The answer points to whom one ultimately serves, of my first, and still unanswered question.

Let's see what says in (Rom. 13:7-10) (v.7) Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour. (v.8) Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. That’s the biblical definition of love, the keeping of God’s law. (v.9) For this, THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, THOU SHALT NOT KILL, THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS, THOU SHALT NOT COVET; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR AS THYSELF. (v.10) Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

And that is what God’s holy commandments are all about; the first four tells you how to love God and the last six tells you how to love your neighbor. If you love your God you will not do any thing to offend him, like having other gods before him. You will do as he says like remember the sabbath day to keep it holy on the seventh day of the week. If you love him you will obey him when he tells you not to eat certain meats etc… And the same goes for your fellow man, if you love your neighbor you wouldn’t steal from him, you wouldn’t kill him, you wouldn’t try and sleep with his wife and so on and so forth. (See exodus 20: 1-17)

This is God’s definition of love and it is perfect in its ways. The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: The testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple. The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: The commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes. 9 The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: The judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether. More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: Sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb. Moreover by them is thy servant warned: And in keeping of them there is great reward. (Psalm 19: 7-11)

Jesus states again in the following verses what is required of an individual to receive His love.

John (15:9) As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love. (10) If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

Notice: Jesus use the word if ye keep my commandments, so what happen if ye do not keep his commandments. The above verse shows to be loved of Jesus one needs to be obedient. Jesus also states in verse (10) that He was obedient to the Father by keeping His commandments and therefore abides in His love.

Pay Attention to whats being said here in John 12: 44Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me. 45 And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me. 46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness. 47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. 48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. 49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. 50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

 

[Gottservant]

When one comes to the word of God [...] How can anyone claim to know God yet teach that it is not necessary to obey His laws?

You have to remember that some people are lukewarm, they have forgotten that they need to be decisive about the faith. Faith that is just interpretation, is tempting and the Devil is able to lead astray as to what true obedience looks like. Indeed your own post, as this one, needs to include the statement "I will pray for people who do not obey Christ, according to what He said" - the idea that you can be correct about people not being 'right', still needs to draw on the humanity that Christ showed everyone. (I'm praying for you too!)

 

[JustMe]

Let's see what says in (Rom. 13:7-10) (v.7) Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour. (v.8) Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. That’s the biblical definition of love, the keeping of God’s law. (v.9) For this, THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, THOU SHALT NOT KILL, THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS, THOU SHALT NOT COVET; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR AS THYSELF. (v.10) Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

And that is what God’s holy commandments are all about; the first four tells you how to love God and the last six tells you how to love your neighbor. If you love your God you will not do any thing to offend him, like having other gods before him. You will do as he says like remember the sabbath day to keep it holy on the seventh day of the week. If you love him you will obey him when he tells you not to eat certain meats etc… And the same goes for your fellow man, if you love your neighbor you wouldn’t steal from him, you wouldn’t kill him, you wouldn’t try and sleep with his wife and so on and so forth. (See exodus 20: 1-17)

This is God’s definition of love and it is perfect in its ways. The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: The testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple. The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: The commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes. 9 The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: The judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether. More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: Sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb. Moreover by them is thy servant warned: And in keeping of them there is great reward. (Psalm 19: 7-11)

Jesus states again in the following verses what is required of an individual to receive His love.

John (15:9) As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love. (10) If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

Notice: Jesus use the word if ye keep my commandments, so what happen if ye do not keep his commandments. The above verse shows to be loved of Jesus one needs to be obedient. Jesus also states in verse (10) that He was obedient to the Father by keeping His commandments and therefore abides in His love.

Pay Attention to whats being said here in John 12: 44Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me. 45 And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me. 46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness. 47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. 48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. 49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. 50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

BT, if I can say that. Your answer missed the heart of my second question. You dodged it, just like with the first one. Just don't state pertinent verses of scripture, tell me how they contribute to the topic or question at hand and not some other conversation.

My second point focuses on the methods or paths used back in Old Testament and New Testament days for commandment compliance. And now, too. It's about how we follow God's commands from the Father and then His Son with real love. And I believe you would agree on this major point.

Words like obey or obedience don't fit well for acts done in love. They suggest a blind, machine-like response, without true talk with God.

Let me put it simply. I'll show the changes over time in how we honor and love God's commands, and those of His Son. We all know that following them in love marks a real servant of God the Father, through His Son. By the way, this is the simple answer and conclusion to my first question. We ultimately serve the God of Abraham, the Father of all, through his Son, the Christ Yeshua (his given spirit from the Father to all that truly are believers (and yes, all called true Christians) today.

Is there a difference in how people followed the commands under the Old Covenant versus the New one?

In the Old Covenant, people followed God's rules through outward acts tied to the Law of Moses. It came on stone tablets. It called for exact rituals and sacrifices to cover sins.

This setup showed that humans can't keep the law just right. It highlighted sin and the need for a Savior from God. And even a few even gained righteousness to salvation in the eyes of God as he examined their hearts.

The Old Covenant gave insight into sin and a way to worship. But it had no inner strength to change the heart. God had not yet given a heart that gets it or ears that listen.


On the other hand, the New Covenant comes through Jesus Christ. It brings a deep change inside. God vows to place His law in believers and write it on their hearts. This lets them follow from a fresh start within.


This new heart holds the Spirit of Christ. The Holy Spirit from God the Father gives power to all genuine believers. They meet God's commands not by their own try, or best efforts, but by living in the Spirit of His Son. This way of following commands works the same today.


The New Covenant gives the strength to follow through the Spirit of the Son to the Holy Spirit of the Father. It grows love and right living in the believer. Obedience becomes a normal part of faith and bond with God.

The main gap is in where obedience comes from. In the Old Covenant, it stayed outside, based on human work and ritual sacrifices. In the New, it starts inside, driven by the Holy Spirit, and rises from a changed heart.


The New Covenant keeps the commands alive. It completes them through Christ's power at work in the believer.


Great Day, and I may have exhausted your time on this, what I consider a crucial sub-thread in the form of 2 questions.

 

[bro.tan]

The fact is, God did not find fault with His laws but rather with the people who did not obey them. (Heb.8:7-8) (v.7) For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.(v.8) For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: Paul says in Hebrews then proceeds to quote Jeremiah 31: 31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: 33 but this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. quoted above.

Under the New Covenant we now have a living High Priest, Jesus Christ, who can make intercession for us. One who was tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin. He is an intercessor who understands our weaknesses because He lived as a human being.

Jesus Christ is the ultimate judge - all judgment has been committed to Him ,(John: 5:22). And He will judge righteously. He cannot be bribed or tempted as a human judge can.

And, as we read in, (Num.15:15-16) He treats everyone alike. (v.15) One ordinance shall be both for you of the congregation, and also for the stranger that sojourneth with you, an ordinance for ever in your generations: as ye are, so shall the stranger be before the LORD. (v.16) One law and one manner shall be for you, and for the stranger that sojourneth with you.

God does not make one set of rules for one group of people and another set for another. He is not a respecter of persons.

 

[quietthinker]

Serve Jesus his way, and receive a Crown of life​

It appears he will serve us.
Luke 12:37
'I tell you the truth, he himself will seat them, put on an apron, and serve them as they sit and eat! ........Jesus.

 

[bro.tan]

Paul said in (1 Cor. 9:24-27) (v.24) Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain. (v.25) And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown: but we an incorruptible. Paul says that when you run in a race every body is running for a prize. But this prize that he is referring to is eternal life, that’s what he means by an incorruptible, he’s talking about an incorruptible body, a heavenly body. (v.26) I therefore so run, not as uncertainly, so fight, not as one that beateth the air: (v.27) But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway. You see Paul knew exactly what was going on that why he says he has to bring his body under subjection. Under subjection to what? To God’s Law, Paul knew that if he didn’t continue to keep Gods law that even after he had preached to many that he himself could still become a castaway. This doesn’t sound like Paul thinks that he has guarantee salvation.